East Coast Racing - Perth Turf Talk

PETER LAWRENCE Podcast

wedge — Sat, 12 Dec 2020 03:28:02 +0000

The best industry snapshot i have listened to.

Listen to it and then pass it onto someone you know in Racing admin or government.

#MakePuntingGreatAgain

https://soundcloud.com/winningedgeinvestments/peter-lawrence-professional-punter-form-analyst?ref=clipboard&p=i&c=0

On A Winner(Marea Donnelly)-City Tatts

therealkramer — Sat, 05 Dec 2020 23:50:41 +0000

New book out Tuesday just in time for Xmas. Time to start dropping those hints

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/a-slice-of-sydney-history-immortalised-as-city-tatts-marks-125-years-20201204-p56ktx.html

Alligator Blood

therealkramer — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 02:49:10 +0000

Arguably the best horse in the country and deserves his own thread. Yet to win at WFA but did beat the Orr Stakes winner pointlessly in the Guineas-so has formlines around Te Akau Shark(Fierce Impact, 2nd in the Orr). Go the blood!

Horse finishes last but WINS the race

SLIPPERGOLDEN — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 15:36:58 +0000

Technically it didn't finish last but unlike others completed the course successfully. All other runners were disqualified.

UK Jockeys & Baseball Bat Incident

SLIPPERGOLDEN — Fri, 20 Nov 2020 01:32:38 +0000

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13246738/jockey-attacked-rival-cut-up/ ;

Los Alamitos

The_Bull — Mon, 23 Nov 2020 03:59:47 +0000

12 races at Los Alamitos today.

All 366m 2yo scampers. How bizarre

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Noel Callow charged over losing ride

hash — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:32:11 +0000

Bit harsh I thought, the horse had no where to go and was never a winning home in the straight... Thoughts?

https://www.justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/noel-callow-charged-over-losing-ride/645350

Melbourne Cup 3.11.2020.

Thunderstruck — Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:46:54 +0000

Starting up a thread for the big race..any thoughts after the barrier draw and the horses racing on likely a good track(I'd love a soft 5 or preferably 6 as would a few others)?

What's in a Name

SLIPPERGOLDEN — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:09:34 +0000

For those that recall the British comedy classic there is a clever play on words naming a runner tonight.

Newcastle R1 Onlyfoolsownhorses

TAB down down, like the prices at Coles

therealkramer — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 00:44:22 +0000

Stop smiling @bookielover

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/tab-chaos-wagering-still-down-on-sunday-20201107

OAKS day 5.11.20

Thunderstruck — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 13:16:20 +0000

No spoils on the prices but imo the best two bets are in the last 2 races, the Sydney filly wins the Oaks and the highly promising Hawkes filly For Pikey also looks a banker shame their late in the day but winners are winners.

Going to have a small spec on Peter Moody's mare in R1 Perennial, she is big odds but may run ok and jag running into a drum..has form behind Ain'tnodeeldun 2 runs back although got her arse kicked.

R2 Fake Love can repeat, assume they will stick to the inside or close to it based on the straight races on Tuesday..a rail to follow will be helpful for these youngsters.

Melbourne Cup deaths - internationals

Ngawyni — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 04:50:45 +0000

2014: Admire Rakti (Japan), Araldo (Great Britain) (frightened by spectator after race)

2015: Red Cadeaux (Great Britain)

2017: Regal Monarch (Great Britain) - died in Race 4 on Cup Day

2018: The Cliffsofmoher (Ireland)

2020: Anthony van Dyck (Ireland)

Add to the above the number of internationals that have been withdrawn by the VRC in recent years and questions have to be asked.

I would rather we have no internationals, than have one die each year.

The last Australian/NZ horse to die in a Melbourne Cup was Dulcify in 1979.

Support Races at Flemington on Melbourne Cup Day

PC — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 02:36:36 +0000

Hi all, hope you're well and backing plenty of winners.

We all know that the Melbourne Cup day race card at Flemington is all about one race - the Melbourne Cup, and rightly so. However, what about the other races - the support races or the undercard? The VRC and Racing Victoria has made the effort to boost the support races so that there is more stakes (Group/Listed) races on the card. What stats and historical quirks do the other races on the card at Flemington have? I did some research and was surprised to see how many good horses who have won these races have done afterwards.

Race 1: Listed Maribyrnong Plate (1000m)

From the 1999/2000 season to 2005/2006 season the race was a Group 2 even but was then downgraded to Group 3 level the following season. Bel Esprit won the race in the 2001. Bel Esprit would go on the win the Group 1 Blue Diamond Stakes, and Group 1 Doomben 10,000.

Race 2: Listed Desirable Stakes (1400m)

This race has always been a Listed event from the 1999/2000 season onwards. No winners it seems went on to win a Group 1.

Race 5: Listed TAB Trophy (1800m)

Registered name of this race is the Batman Stakes. Since the 1999/2000 season the race has always been a Listed event. The big winner was in 2018....Vow And Declare, who went on to win the Melbourne Cup in 2019.

Race 8: Listed Furphy Plate (1800m)

The registered name of this is called the Melbourne Cup Day Plate. Since the 1999/2000 season, this race has always been run at Listed level and since the 1999/2000 season, the winners list has been impressive. In 2001 Fields Of Omagh won the race and would go on to win multiple stakes races including two Cox Plates. In 2005 Zipping would win the race. He would have a good career and win multiple stakes races including four consecutive Sandown Classics and two races at Group 1 level - the Australian Cup and Turnbull Stakes. In 2015 Awesome Rock would win the race. He would go on to win the Feehan Stakes and Mackinnon Stakes in the spring of 2016. In 2019 South African horse Yulong Prince would win the race and he would go on to win the Group 1 Cantala Stakes on day 1 of the Melbourne Cup carnival at Flemington in 2020.

Race 9: Group 3 Hong Kong Jockey Club Stakes (1400m).

The registered name is the Maybe Mahal Stakes, named after the Bart Cummings champion horse Maybe Mahal who was the horse of the season in Australian racing for the 1977/1978 season. Since the 2005/2006 season the race was run at Listed level until the 2011/2012 season when the race was upgraded to a Group 3 event. In 2008 Neroli would win the race and would go on to win the Group 1 Queen Of The Turf Stakes in 2009.

One final one. Whilst the 2800m race (the Macca's Run) is not a stakes race. I do remember Zazzman winning the race in 2003 (when called the Lavazza Long Black) and then going on to run 3rd in the Melbourne Cup in 2004. Also, who ran 3rd in the 2003 Lavazza Long Black.....Karasi. Now in 2001 Karasi had won the Geelong Cup and ran 4th in the Melbourne Cup Behind winner Ethereal. Karasi would go on to win and place in feature hurdles races in Australia and also go on the win three consecutive Group 1 Nakayama Grand Jumps at Nakayama race course in Japan at 4250m which is one of the richest steeplechase races in the world.

I hope you all enjoy the Melbourne Cup and keep an eye on the support races as well - you just never know what up and coming horses are in these fields.

Cheers.

That time of year...FEATURES

H-BOMBER — Mon, 07 Sep 2020 04:25:50 +0000

Alright put them up and see how we all go

Caulfield Cup - Veery Ellegent ($13)

Cox Plate - North Pacific ($21)

Everest - Farnan ($11)

Melbourne Cup - Surprise Baby ($10)

:-c

Victoria Derby 2020.

Thunderstruck — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 00:52:56 +0000

Updated or general thoughts/predictions anyone?

I'm sticking with 2 at this stage.

Ain'tnodeeldun $12 and one that goes around on Saturday Cetshwayo with a red hot Jamie Kah in the saddle..assuming he runs very well or wins he should firm considerably from the current $14 quote.

No knock on Young Werther $6 also trained by O'Brien but when does he run again at the Valley next week then backs up a week later? I like the idea of 2 weeks between runs for these youngsters
Also read that Grand Slam is Cox Plate bound so could be a doubtful derby runner or at best will be a bit gassed for the task also.

Aus Breeding

Precision1 — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:46:53 +0000

This is a topic that’s being discussed at length in the media lately so thought it’s worth bringing up here. It’s plain to see when the first 4 past the post in a Cox plate are bred in Ireland our breeding is miles behind what they are producing.

I’ve been thinking about why and I keep coming back to a horse called The Autumn Sun. A horse that never won outside his own age group and when you go back through what he beat it’s very underwhelming. Yet he has a service fee of $77,000.

Not just picking him out, any stallion that wins a Coolmoore or Guineas gets the $20 million dollar price tag. Why don’t we demand they then prove it at weight for age to warrant those $$$.

Not sure there’s an easy answer but clearly If we would like to see the Aussie bred horses start winning out majors again things need to change.

Bendigo Cup

Thunderstruck — Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:48:31 +0000

Track in good order and looks fair enough after the 1st where the winner came from last..seems to be one of the better country tracks in Vic am a fan of the nice long straight

Zebrowski is my tip for one W.Pike today in the cup going for a 2peat after winning it last year.

Have 2 blackbookers going around in R4 Overkill and Rock Prophet who is way down in grade, both go good RP will be the one charging late I think..i'll back one save the other.

Cox Plate

TheDiva — Tue, 20 Oct 2020 06:27:21 +0000

https://www.punters.com.au/news/williams-shocked-by-cox-plate-snub_193905/

Nick not happy....

Geelong Cup day 21.10.20

Thunderstruck — Wed, 21 Oct 2020 03:05:19 +0000

Bullish Steel Prince can test these today, last two runs were terrific lead and importantly is 4th up today should be in the finish.

A spec horse in the Classic is Wisaka at big odds, may be out of his depth but will relish every bit of the 2200 and Moroney trains, is worth an e.w dabble I reckon.

Weiry's going to get off

TheDiva — Fri, 11 Sep 2020 03:28:06 +0000

The world according to Archie:

https://peterprofit.com/2020/09/10/the-darren-weir-case-just-gets-worse-by-the-minute-for-the-cops-weirys-going-to-get-off/

Worldwide Group 1s

PC — Sat, 17 Oct 2020 22:52:37 +0000

Updated due to Melody Belle's 12th Group 1 win on Saturday.

HORSES WITH 10 OR MORE GROUP 1 WINS

**List includes horses who raced on the flat and raced over the jumps. Country in brackets is where they were foaled**

25 wins

Winx (AUS)

22 wins

Hurricane Fly (IRE)

16 wins

John Henry (USA)
Kauto Star (FR)

15 wins

Black Caviar (AUS)

14 wins

Affirmed (USA)
Forego (USA)
Goldikova (IRE)
Kingston Town (AUS)
Istabraq (IRE)

13 wins

Bayakoa (ARG)
Moscow Flyer (IRE)
Spectacular Bid
Sunline (NZ)
Tie the Knot (AUS)
Zenyatta (USA)

12 wins

Melody Belle (NZ)

11 wins

Beholder (USA)
Cigar (USA)
Lady's Secret (USA)
Lonhro (AUS)
Manikato
McDynamo (USA)
Rough Habit (NZ)
Serena's Song(USA)
Wise Dan (USA)

10 wins

Azeri (USA)
Beef or Salmon (IRE)
Big Buck's (FRA)
Brave Inca (IRE)
Dahlia (USA)
Faugheen
Frankel (GB)
Miesque (USA)
Paseana (ARG)
Octagonal (NZ)
Mufhasa (NZ)
Skip Away (USA)
So You Think (NZ)

Horses to win Group 1s in both Hemispheres from that list:

So You Think (5)
Sunline (1)
Black Caviar (1)

Melbourne Carnival

GLAMOUR — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 09:23:21 +0000

Just read no Francesca Cumani this year,stranded in Europe, and read what she gets Paid,I went wow.

RobWaterhouse.com

therealkramer — Wed, 22 Jul 2020 01:53:54 +0000

Looks like the same people who designed Tom's old betting site have had another crack. The free vision is a nice touch, though. So I get my tips from Tomwaterhouse.com and lose my cash at Robwaterhouse.com? :-?

https://robwaterhouse.com/home

Richard Callander

Gilgamesh — Fri, 02 Oct 2020 08:30:31 +0000

Did I hear his voice today when watching a bit of channel 528? Pretty sure it was him. Do t k ow how I feel about having him back.

Terry Bailey finished at Singapore Turf Club

TheDiva — Fri, 02 Oct 2020 04:36:19 +0000

https://www.racingandsports.com/news/racing/news/2020-10-02/singapore-turf-club-appoints-new-chief-stipendiary-steward/528533

EPSOM this Saturday 3/10/20.

Thunderstruck — Tue, 29 Sep 2020 18:50:19 +0000

1 KOLDING(NZ)Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 20 56.5kg
2 MISTER SEA WOLF (IRE)Chris Waller Brenton Avdulla 4 56kg
3 STAR OF THE SEAS (NZ)Chris Waller Nash Rawiller 1 55.5kg
4 IMAGING(GB)Chris Waller James McDonald 21 55.5kg
5 NETTOYER Wendy Roche James Innes Jnr 14 54kg
6 BRANDENBURG(NZ)John Sargent Jason Collett 3 54kg
7 YULONG PRINCE(SAF)Chris Waller Sam Clipperton 2 54kg 8 THE CANDY MAN Peter & Paul Snowden Regan Bayliss 9 53.5kg
9 WILD PLANET Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Tim Clark 6 53kg
10 NICCANOVA Craig Carmody TBA 11 53kg
11 PROBABEEL(NZ)Jamie Richards Kerrin McEvoy 18 52.5kg
12 FUNSTAR Chris Waller Glen Boss 19 52.5kg
13 ROCK Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Tommy Berry 13 52.5kg
14 COLETTE James Cummings Ms Rachel King 10 52kg
15 RELOADED Chris Waller Ms Kathy O’Hara 7 51kg
16 LOOKS LIKE ELVIS Jarrod Austin Ms Jess Taylor 8 50kg
17 RIODINI(NZ) Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott Ms Winona Costin 12 50kg
18 SAVACOOL(NZ)Chris Waller Ms Alysha Collett 16 50kg
19 GLENALL Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Brock Ryan (a) 5 50kg
20 VANNA GIRL Toby & Trent Edmonds Robbie Dolan 15 50kg
21e JUST THINKIN’ Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott TBA 17 50kg

Wide open race this year, Waller has "just" the 8 runners but I doubt he wins it, S.O.S looks unders as its going to be dry and Kolding has drawn the Carpark and is up 6kgs on last years win.

I like Rock and Wild Planet mid way down the weights but I will without doubt also be having a speculator on a big roughie going by the price..Looks Like Elvis..has been right around the mark at group 2 level this prep with his new local trainer, gets in on the limit and from the ace draw I really think he will run a big race.

Have disregarded the 2 more prominent mares due to their draws too, however Vanna Girl or even Colette could figure charging home amongst many trying to do the same.

Easiest Flat Race victory..... Horse wins by 39 Lengths in Ireland

SLIPPERGOLDEN — Thu, 24 Sep 2020 02:20:40 +0000

Costalotmore, raced to a very unusual 39 length victory in the bumper (flat race for jumpers) at Listowel on Wednesday evening at odds of 20/1 after drifting from 12s.

The horse led after 800 metres and went further and further clear, had a 30 length advantage with a circuit to go, and never saw another rival for the remainder of the contest. It was a furlong and at least 14 seconds in front for most of the race and had its ears pricked the whole race.

Click on the link to watch the race https://mobile.twitter.com/RacingTV/status/1308816424039743488

Alligator $1.70 to $2.30 and Run Explained?

SLIPPERGOLDEN — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:13:35 +0000

https://peterprofit.com/2020/09/14/david-ovid-the-qric-and-six-losing-bookies-tickets-in-a-row/ ;

Caulfield & Melbourne Cup Weights

PC — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:28:11 +0000

Today, Racing Victoria Chief Handicapper Greg Carpenter released the weights for the Caulfield Cup and Melbourne Cup. Now it gets interesting. Last year's Melbourne Cup winner Vow And Declare will carry 57kg - a 5kg increase on last year's weight. Well done to Greg and his team as always.

See link below for the weights

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/melbourne-cup-weights-vow-and-declare-gets-57kg-for-tilt-at-backtoback-cups-20200908

Edward Cummings

TheDiva — Mon, 07 Sep 2020 04:48:09 +0000

Archie on the rampage again... but seriously, how often do you reckon this happens in the game?

https://peterprofit.com/2020/09/07/how-edward-cummings-has-traded-on-his-name-to-get-away-with-metaphorical-murder-and-why-the-crooked-cheat-and-tryhard-conman-can-go-whistle-for-his-bills/ ;