Harness & Greyhounds - Perth Turf Talk

DADDY(QUICK) JAGGER

thefalcon — Wed, 12 Apr 2023 08:41:23 +0000

got one of his going around tonight (12/4), race 2 Pub Fiction...fave after a good trial. will never be another Paddy..

GP- The Nullarbor & The Eucla (Nullarbor Consolation)

VillageKid — Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:54:45 +0000

Race 1- Faster Than Dad, Infinite Sign, Alcopony, Hillview Bondi

Race 2- Dominus Factum, Cheer The Major, Naval Aviator, Regal Cheval

Race 3- The Mustang, Eldaytona, Roll Up, Kimble

Race 4- Goodfellaz, Jett Star, Mea Culpa, Alta Rhett

Race 5- El Chema, Whatabro, Valentines Brook, Hampton Banner

Race 6- Machs Legacy, Taking The Miki, Let it Linga, Im Themightylucy

Race 7- Posseidon, Line The Starzzz, Chumani, Beefour Bacardi

Race 8- Tricky Miki, Street Hawk, Talks Up A Storm, The Code Breaker

Race 9- Lavra Joe, Magnificent Storm, Betterzippit, Diego

Race 10- Run For Mercy, Blue Blazer, Baltic Ace, Icanbolt

Wagin

R1- Lord Bhutan

R2- Tommy Carta

R3- Lets Roll The Dice

R4- Follow The Music

R5- Alta Hurrah

R6- Gold Horseshoe

R7- Ta In Advance

R8- Radar Reef

Brickies Dream

Gilgamesh — Mon, 24 Apr 2023 07:47:07 +0000

Has to be one of the more exciting prospects we have in WA at the moment.

Narrogin Cup

freodockers — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 09:30:48 +0000

Is there any chance that Hampton Banner holds the lead.

GP- WA APG Gold Bullion Finals

VillageKid — Fri, 21 Apr 2023 00:42:15 +0000

Race 1- Faster Than Dad, Tiger Royal, Alcopony, Machs Bettor

Race 2- Kimble, Ima Fivestar General, Pocket The Cash, Withoutthetuh

Race 3- The Mustang, Alta Rhett, Classic Choice, Mea Culpa

Race 4- Wonderful To Fly, Eighteen Carat, Three Rumours, Simply Shaz

Race 5- Dont Bother Me None, Machnificent, Talks Up A Storm, Firerockfireroll

Race 6- Lamandier, Seeryanfly, Allwood Glow, Acuto

Race 7- Star Lavra, Rocket City, Magnus Victor, All Is Well

Race 8- Flametree, Between Two Thorns, Imahero, Jackie Daniels

Race 9- Ten To The Dozen, Manhattan Moon, Jimmy Rocks, Double The Ante

Race 10- Xceptional Arma, Remarkable Rock, The Swindler, World Secret

Western Trilogy and The Nullabor

Chariotsonfire — Mon, 10 Apr 2023 04:29:32 +0000

Any thoughts on the weekend ahead and in particular with the harness racing aspect of it?

I am attending the barrier draw function tomorrow which will be streamed via Facebook from 1:00pm.

Dust Settles On The Nullabor

JayJay — Mon, 17 Apr 2023 12:26:58 +0000

No doubt, lots of differing views about the the Nullabor.

Was it a worthwhile exercise, was it value for money, will it reinvigorate the Industry and so on.

On balance, I think it was worth a throw at the stumps. The weather stymied the crowd and no amount of repetitive photos from the publicity arm of GP (over 200 on facebook but many of the same people inside the restaurants) will alter that fact. To tout it as a "BIG" crowd is frankly a nonsense but rain was very much unwelcome. "BIG" crowds have not been seen at the venue for decades, fireworks or no fireworks. Apparently, only Western Australians are keen on fireworks, all those millions that line Sydney Harbor each New Year must be an illusion.

However, there was some quality interstate representation for the first time in ages and two fine young drivers involved. There was some good industry generated publicity, barrier draws and the like, and some quality promo videos produced. In spite of Ernies efforts, The West seems to have written off Harness Racing and the Friday edition focussed almost entirely on the Quokka with no mention or articles on the Nullabor. Very poor from the Sports Editor.

The race itself was a good watch, competitive and unlike much of our pedestrian $1.10 gate speed, lead and win rubbish that the system serves up week in week out. In that respect, it was refreshing. Certainly, the post race discussions about who drove well and who didn't has got tongues wagging with some absolute almost Trumpian nonsense written interspersed with informed views. File that under the "any news is good news" category.

Was it a cheap exercise? Well, on balance a firm NO. There was the $300,000 stakes top up from industry funds plus the $70,000 purchase of a slot. Some could argue that the money could have been well spent elsewhere. Having then had their slot horse successful in the race, we are informed that RWWA/TABtouch's share of the $500,000 would be donated to suitable charities. Hmm, perhaps the industry itself is a suitable charity. Then, there are costs associated with the aircraft getting the participants here and returning them home and the hospitality costs of wining and dining the guests and associated Industry folk upstairs on race night. It would be interesting to see how many actual paid tickets were sold and who covered the tab for all the guests and officials. Presumably, the many syndicate shareholders didn't have to stump up entry fees at the gate and nor should they but with them and industry participants racing their own horses that night making up a substantial chunk of the downstairs crowd, I would doubt that gate receipts would have contributed a whole lot.

Turnover wise, given that the only available figures are TABtouch parimutual, and acknowledging the limitations of that data, well, the figures are horrible. There was just $34,000 invested on the win/place pool for the Nullabor compared to $350,000 for the Quokka on the Saturday. The Dogs by comparison was just $18,000 win/place. Both the trots and teh dogs had a carryover boosted first 4 pool of around $100,000 but the quokka (unboosted) was $214,000. Trotting races frequently don't have high turnover but race 7 had a win/place of $27,000, so any suggestion that the Nullabor was a turnover magnet are sadly unjustified.

The idea of running both the dogs and trots on the same night never seemed even remotely sensible, displacing the dogs from their normal Saturday night slot and pushing the Nullabor back to race 9. It appears to have been a tactical error. Running against the Race For Grins in NZ was also very questionable. As it was, the win/place figures for that race at 4.50pm in the afternoon were $57,000, arguably a higher quality field might have boosted that.

So, as with all things, wins and losses, swings and roundabouts. I think we must keep trying so a provisional plus I reckon...let see how it evolves for next year and whether the date shifts and what the long term boost may or may not be. The low noms for Friday should not be used for short term analysis of the benefit or otherwise of the slot race.

Views of a bitter old man bahaha.

Palace Hotel Wagin Cup Meeting 6th April 2023

Markovina — Thu, 06 Apr 2023 06:52:23 +0000

As i type - VK hasnt put up his usual GP tips for the Frid night meeting - so the reason i created this thread

I did spend about 70 minutes - looking at numerous replays Thurs Night - and all im analysing is the Wagin Meeting

The Market movers( re what they opened TAB.Com Thurs night and what they are now ) - well if you follow money - the 2 big shortners are Regal Aura $6 into $4.40 - and Fireball Friday in race 7 - $7.50 into $5

Just a few general comments before i give a couple of tips - because this is a detailed look at Wagin

Race 1 - Tritttrittbangbang - - its been a dissappointing horse in WA - when Harpley trained it - and Sugars drove it in Vic - it had a boom on it - its Melb form it wins this race by 50 metres - im not tipping it - the $3.50 is tempting - all i will say is - if it is ever going to do anything impressive in WA - then tonight is the night - in that field

(2) Some Trots punters including myself have a golden rule - never back pacers 1st up - especially if they havent got a trial- however again its not a tip - but in race 4 - Follow Rocknroll $4.80 - its 1st up from a spell thats why im not tipping it - but if it reproduces its form before the break - it destroys this field

(3) Race 2 - again just a comment on the Race - not a tip - the fave at $1.70 - i dont think it is much good -id love to take it on in a big way but i cant - the only horse i was interested in was Thats So Fetch at $7.50 - but the bottom line is - i have no luck whatsoever with Chris Playle so im passing

Now my 2 tips - and you probably think ive got the datboard with the 2 ive come up with - they are both small e/w - must emphasis that - there was nothing in the replays where you could confidendly have a real big bet on something

Race 6 El Jessie @ $19 - there are 5 chances in this race - they actually all ran in the same race at Narrogin 2 starts back . Alot of gunner horses in this race - it will simply come down to who gets the best trip and who steps best - didnt mind El Jessie 5th to Kimble a couple of starts back - held its ground ok in a slick last qtr

Race 7 - as mentioned the big money has come for Fireball Friday - i had a serious look at the $7.50 - however its last start at Bridgetown beaten 4 metres sat behind the leader soft run - Isaidboo - same race well back 3 wide w/out cover beaten 24 metres - so to me - not much between those 2 runs . It did run 4th at Pinj 1.58 - it gave Regal Aura a length start top of straight and narrowly beat it - so even though its at cricket score odds its not hopeless in this race . The fave 1.35 - new trainer - ordinary trial - so so 1st up run - so to me there is doubt. Thus i had a small e/w bet on Isaidboo ( with the win boost ) @ $100 win odds and $19 the place

Good luck to anyone investing at the WaginTrots Tonight

GP Friday- Easter Cup (Gp3)

VillageKid — Thu, 06 Apr 2023 08:15:53 +0000

Race 1- Gliding Star, Sweet Ivy, Thorium Energy, Fly To Fame

Race 2- Goodfellaz, Alcopony, The Watch Maker, October Reign

Race 3- Nevermindthechaos, Machs Legacy, Misstiano, Alta Queen

Race 4- Arma Einstein, Eldaytona, Ideal Secret, Wait For The Bell

Race 5- Diego, Spirit Of St Louis, Lavra Joe, Minstrel

Race 6- Taking The Miki, Street Hawk, Hector, Cordero

Race 7- Kimble, Roll Up, Middlepage, Manning

Race 8- Rascal, Stormyskyes, Rock Me Over, Regal Cheval

Bridgetown Cup

JayJay — Sat, 01 Apr 2023 05:30:30 +0000

Bridgetown Cup this Sunday. The Harness Office has had a couple of attempts at coming up with a field that complies with the conditions set down for the race; The field had to be redone after the first attempt was non compliant. These are the conditions for the race with acronyms:

L7/8 (CL9) CONDITIONED. 3YO and older. Westbred L7/8 (CL9) HWOE LT $32,500(CONCESSIONS HWOE LT $40,000)AE - HWOE LT $70,000 With L5$ LT $1,500.AE 4YO+ HWOE LT $55,000 With 0 Metro Staked Wins as a 3YO or Older and LT 3 Wins Last 10 starts and 10+ WA starts.Preference to HWOE $18,500+(RL8)Community Field Selection Preferences Apply(Concessions for Novice Driver,Fillies & Mares). RBD.

Prizemoney: $11,000 - 1st $6,204, 2nd $1,888, 3rd $1,025, 4th $701, 5th $432, 6th $150, 7th $150, 8th $150, 9th $150, 10th $150 HARCOURTS HEARTLAND BRIDGETOWN CUP MS PACE 4:35 PM

Race 6

Removing the Acronyms (with an advance apology on HWOE...I can't recall whether it is "Harness Win Only Earnings or Horse win Only Earnings":

"Level 7 and 8, level 9 with a concession, for 3 year olds and older. Westbred Level 7 and 8 (level 9 with a concession) Harness win Only Earnings Less Than $32,500 (Concessions for Harness Win Only Earnings Less Than $40,0000. Also Eligible - Harness Win Only Earnings Less Than $70,000 with dollars earned Last Five Starts Less Than $1,500. Also Eligible 4 year olds plus Harness Win Only Earnings Less Than $55,000 with 0 Metro Staked Wins as a # Year old or older and Less Than 3 wins in last 10 starts and with more than 10 WA starts. Preference to Harness Win Only Earnings $18,5000 plus Racing Level 8. Community Filed Selection Preferences Apply (Concessions for Novice Driver, Fillies and Mares) Random Barrier Draw."

This has resulted in the following field (Mark 2) being assembled: (Claiming Driver indicated 'C')

1. Step It Up (Mare) Level 7

2. Desiderio Level 8

3. Allwood Glow Level 10

4. Kolisi Level 8

5. Nomorecheeseplease Level 6

6. Feeling Aces Level 9 C

7. Whos The Dad Level 7

8. Better Move Along Level 7

9. Torpedo Rock Level 8 C

10. Tubbs Farquhar Level 10 C

11. Road Closure (1st Em) Level 6 C

12. Hillview Bondi (2nd Em)Level 9 C

Someone with far more knowledge than me can explain how this field was made up, any wonder the office staff got it wrong first up. This is the sort of nonsense that a Parliamentary Inquiry may well be interested in looking into....they will have St Georges Terrace Lawyers in attendance to try and interpret this garbage of a handicap system. Just harking back to the original intention of the race...a level 7 and level 8 race with concessions for level 9. And it has ended up being a hotch potch of Level 6 (how does it get a start?) to in form level 10 (some without a concession) and a level 9 is 2nd emergency (with a claim). And the Eastern Staters think National Ratings is complicated. This rubbish is a boat anchor on the flailing industry.

GP- Empress Stakes F&M (Gp2) & Gold Bracelet 2yoF (L)

VillageKid — Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:36:31 +0000

Race 1- Raven Banner, Free Wheeling, October Reign, Faster Than Dad

Race 2- Eldaytona, Kimble, Arma Einstein, Dominus Factum

Race 3- Classic Choice, Ima Fivestar General, Cordero, Ezana

Race 4- Mighty Ronaldo, Jumpingjackmac, Lavra Joe, Magnificent Storm

Race 5- Wonderful To Fly, Nevermindthechaos, The Amber Hare, Sheez Our Hope

Race 6- Water Lou, Xceptional Arma, Remarkable Rock, Alreddy Flyin

Race 7- Aussie Scooter, Taking The Miki, Lamandier, Alfa Prince

Race 8- Will I Rocknroll, Jett Star, Dont Bother Me None, El Chema

Race 9- Regal Cheval, Gran Chico, Stormyskyes, Tuas Delight

Race 10- Im The Black Flash, Hes Never Been Beta, Magnus Victor, Star Lavra

Passing of the Padre

JayJay — Thu, 30 Mar 2023 04:13:06 +0000

Ernie Manning notes the passing of 91 year old Harry Miller in today's West, affectionately known to all the old timers as The Padre.

When I was very young, we had a recalcitrant Crown Refrigerator which although ridiculously unreliable, was a step up from the ice box with large blocks of ice delivered in hessian bags. As the only refrigeration mechanic known to mankind, it was Harry's formidable task to keep the Crown working. It invariable froze everything solid or didn't work at all, there was no in between. Harry was a frequent visitor with his pork pie fedora perched on his bald pate, small in stature and looking for the world like the Padre from a Bush Christening (In the outer Barcoo where churches are few et al)

This was around the time he had Jackie Scott, a Pacing Cup and Easter Cup winner as an aged gelding along with numerous Free For All wins. At the same time, Mary Major, a daughter of Jackie Scott (by U Scott who was prematurely gelded shortly after siring Mary) was also racing and in fact, father and daughter often successfully raced on the same night in the early 1960's. Mary Major won 10 races in town at a time that Harry had another good horse in Cotton Tail. In fact, Harry and his brood of about 13 kids (someone will correct me if I am wrong but that's pretty close I reckon, Mrs Miller was seemingly always "in child") had horses running all over the place out on Welshpool road, Wattle Grove, on a bend as you began the ascent to Kalamunda.

Mary Major, a roan mare herself, produced the grey Triple Flash, who may have been completely white when he won a Bunbury Cup for Joe Miller amongst other wins, and one of Harry's last horses in Seba. I can also recall Tommy Ambrose and Don Design winning a lot of races. Green (of course) with white sleeves were his colours and although the complexities of the huge Miller family are way too convoluted for me to follow, yes, of course he is related to the rest of the racing Miller clan...JJ, Jim, Dashing Dan and all the rest of them. He was a good little bloke old Harry, he enabled us kids to have Ice Cream in the freezer, yes, it was homemade and not a patch on Peter's Neopolitan but it was icecream, I was amazed to see he was still alive, I thought he had popped off ages ago. Another link in the chain broken.

GP- Preux Chevalier 4yo Classic (Gp3) & Trotters Sprint (Gp3)

VillageKid — Fri, 24 Mar 2023 00:33:13 +0000

Race 1- Raven Banner, Hector, Tiger Royal, Feeling Aces

Race 2- Arma Einstein, Kimble, James Butt, Dominus Factum

Race 3- Wonderful To Fly, Nevermindthechaos, Sheez Our Hope, Simply Shaz

Race 4- Ezana, Ima Fivestar General, Will I Rocknroll, Onesmartfella

Race 5- Tricky Miki, The Miki Taker, Street Hawk, Infinite Sign

Race 6- Patched, Line The Starzz, Peachee, Chumani

Race 7- August Moon, Gliding Star, Cabsav, Fly To Fame

Race 8- Blue Blazer, Im Themightylucy, Rock Me Over, Deeorse

Narrogin

R1- Wheresthetowrope

R2- Follow The Milkyway

R3- Ace Bromac

R4- Egyptian Queen

R5- Showpony

R6- Sunnie Beach

R7- Flyin Disco

R8- My Sweet Addiction

GP- Governors Cup (Gp3)

VillageKid — Fri, 17 Mar 2023 01:11:26 +0000

Race 1- Dominus Factum, You Fly With Me, Tinseltown, Make It Quick

Race 2- El Chema, Street Hawk, The Miki Taker, Hoppys Way

Race 3- Pocket The Cash, Manning, Kimble, Arma Einstein

Race 4- Dont Bother Me None, Galactic Star, Will I Rocknroll, Cordero

Race 5- Diego, Jumpingjackmac, Minstrel, Lavra Joe

Race 6- Steel The Show, Jett Star, Talks Up A Storm, Onesmartfella

Race 7- Aussie Scooter, Raven Banner, James Butt, Arden Velocity

Race 8- Nullarbor Navajo, Elli Mirando, Bettors Destroya, Simply Shaz

Race 9- Hes Never Been Beta, Hotly Pursued, Star Lavra, Runningonempty

Race 10- Xceptional Arma, Alreddy Flyin, Rock Rosie Rock, State My Case

GP- 2yo C&G APG Sales Classic (L), Caduceus Club Classic (Gp3), The Lombardo F&M FFA (Gp3)

VillageKid — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 00:46:18 +0000

Race 1- Roll Up, Eton Rock, Tiger Royal, Hector

Race 2- Benji, Mea Culpa, Jett Star, Vulcan Star

Race 3- Nevermindthechaos, Sheez Our Hope, The Amber Hare, Bettor Get It On

Race 4- Minstrel, The Mustang, Vampiro, Know When To Run

Race 5- Skylord, Im The Black Flash, Sorridere, Major Manhattan

Race 6- Waverider, Soho Skyfall, Blaze Away, Ten To The Dozen

Race 7- Valentines Brook, Dont Bother Me None, Galactic Star, Whatabro

Race 8- Doc Holliday, Manning, Naval Aviator, Henwood Bay

Race 9- Dardy Boy, Hengheng, Henrik Larsson, Flying Rumour

Race 10- Ima Fivestar General, Aussie Scooter, Arden Velocity, Acuto

Race 11- Heez A Vibe, Del Bocavista Bay, Chief Copy, Worlds Above

Positions Vacant

Chariotsonfire — Thu, 09 Mar 2023 05:44:52 +0000

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Make recommendations to the Stewards with respect to disciplinary/remedial matters relating to horses
Review and establish starting procedures in consultation with Stewards and stakeholders
Conduct Horse Identity verification, Head Gear (Blinker, Pacifiers, Winkers) and Lead Bag confirmation at race meetings to ensure all runners are presented correctly to race
Attendance at Industry forums to discuss and advise on starting matters
Oversee health and safety for all persons at the barrier
Liaise with Perth Racing and major Provincial Clubs (Bunbury, Northam, and Pinjarra) to ensure correct numbers and adequacy of barrier staff are in place for all race meetings and trials

Job Description - Programmer Handicapper

RWWA is looking for an individual with the understanding and passion for harness racing and programming methods to secure this Programmer/Handicapper position within the WA Racing Industry.

Reporting to the Harness Operations Manager, you will be responsible for ensuring that the relevant racing functions associated are delivered to operational and business objectives. You will be assisting the management of harness racing code operations and together with our Harness Operations Manager you will be developing race programming strategy for all the race clubs.

Some of the duties & tasks include:

Select starters for race and official trial fields for harness racing meetings conducted in WA in accordance with the RWWA Rules of Harness Racing and Harness Racing Policies
Participate as a member of the Field Selection Panel, providing objective selection of the best performed horses for designated “Feature” races
Respond directly to queries from customers regarding race programmes, racing policies and related rules
Correctly classify horses which have been imported into WA from other jurisdictions for racing in accordance with the new business model rules and templates
Keep abreast of developments throughout Australia with a view to improving RWWA’s handicapping rules, racing policies and race programming.
Provide assistance and input to enable the harness code racing operations throughout WA to operate efficiently and effectively for the benefit of all stakeholders having regard to the Rules of Harness Racing and RWWA Board policies and directions
Understand the operations of the Harvey racing system, as related to racing administration functionality and assist with co-ordination and usage by business unit stakeholders
Race programming duties such as overseeing the delivery of race programs in a timely manager, liaising with club secretaries/management as necessary
Assisting the Harness Operation Manager with the preparation of annual race fixtures

GP- APG Sales Classics (2yo L, 3yo) Chandon 4yo Classic (Gp3)

VillageKid — Fri, 03 Mar 2023 00:56:59 +0000

Race 1- Arden Velocity, Simply Shaz, Torpedo Rock, Make It Quick

Race 2- Mea Culpa, Theo Aviator, Jett Star, Naval Aviator

Race 3- James Butt, Valbonne, Whatabro, Doc Holliday

Race 4- Eldaytona, The Mustang, Know When To Run, Galactic Star

Race 5- The Miki Taker, Street Hawk, Benji, Alcopony

Race 6- Waverider, Blaze Away, Soho Skyfall, Ten To The Dozen

Race 7- Lion Queen, Water Lou, Xceptional Arma, Copy Cat Queen

Race 8- Magnus Victor, Lucapelo, Rocket City, All Is Well

Race 9- August Moon, American Monarch, Cabsav, Imahero

Race 10- Steel The Show, Ima Fivestar General, Vulcan Star, Hengheng

Race 11- Carrera Mach, Middlepage, Run For Mercy, Eye Better

GP 24/02/2023

Mikes27091 — Thu, 23 Feb 2023 23:28:55 +0000

Race 1 : The Amber Hare

Race 2 : Rock Me over

Race 3 : Tenzing Bromac

Race 4 : Vampiro

Race 5 : Site Hawk

Race 6: Pradason

Race 7 : TwobBob Cracker

Race 8 : August Moon

Race 9 : Shadow Roll

Albany :

R1 : World Above

R2 : Save This Dance

R3 : Magnus Victor

R4 : Showpony

R5 : State of Heaven

R6 : Maddy Maddy

R7 : Rusinol

R8 : Sports Central

R9 : Star Of Kaos

50 Years Ago February 24th 1973

JayJay — Tue, 21 Feb 2023 00:33:21 +0000

February 24th 1973, 47 horses contested 4 heats of the WA Derby, 3 heats of 12 and one heat of 11 horses. Seeded heats from the looks of things. Heat 1 to Haddock (L.J.Robinson) over Beau Box (Alan Woodworth) and Park Royale (Jim Schrader). Heat 2 to Beau Rivage (Ron Buswell) over Sibon (L.Waldrodt) and Scottish Arania (Mick Taylor). Heat 3 to Parking (Val Pereira) over Royal Force (Jack Retzlaff) and Mathinna (Dennis Richards) and Heat 4 to Happy Creed (Whistle Jones) over Opal Park (Ray Grantham) and Lord Frisco (Reg Denney). Some class there, future Inters Heat winners, Miracle Mile, fast class winners,future sires etc.

Question is could we rustle up 47 horses to compete in Derby heats nowadays? And if we could, would the current gurus run them? Did having the heats generate any interest in the lead up to the final? Were the public engaged and did they attend? Did it generate any headlines in the daily papers?

Meanwhile, the dog whistlers giving their own distorted take on reality continue to pull the strings.

For the record, Royal Force won the $7,500 final a week later from Parking, Happy Creed and Haddock in front of a bumper crowd. On the same night, future star Zaruma could only manage 4th behind Mussa Petricevich's Dormans Son in the 2 year old race. I think they had a handle on race programming and handicapping back then. And the venue was presented in pristine condition.

GP- Lord Mayors Cup (Gp3)

VillageKid — Fri, 17 Feb 2023 01:02:41 +0000

Race 1- Mister Montblanc, Tiger Royal, Beat The Bank, Vulcan Star

Race 2- Talks Up A Storm, Pocket The Cash, Theo Aviator, Paroquet

Race 3- James Butt, Know When To Run, Mirragon, Jett Star

Race 4- Valentines Brook, Pradason, The Ideal Touch, Eldaytona

Race 5- The Amber Hare, Nevermindthechaos, Nullarbor Navajo, Simply Shaz

Race 6- Patronus Star, Glenledi Chief, Hampton Banner, Handsandwheels

Race 7- Dont Bother Me None, Awaitinginstructions, My Prayer, Shadow Roll

Race 8- Patched, Chumani, Evas Image, Luvaflair

Race 9- Master Yossi, Onesmartfella, Raven Banner, Sunshine Swift

Albany

R1- Skippin Class

R2- Rusinol

R3- Rockandrollartist

R4- The Righteous

R5- Pocketful Of Opals

R6- Under The Alta

R7- Maximum Rock

R8- Nyarnyee Navajo

GP- The Laurie Kennedy Fillies & Mares FFA (Gp3)

VillageKid — Fri, 10 Feb 2023 01:00:47 +0000

Race 1- Street Hawk, Alcopony, Our Shelley Beach, Wait For The Bell

Race 2- Know When To Run, Twobob Cracker, Shadow Roll, Valbonne

Race 3- Pradason, James Butt, Mirragon, Pocket The Cash

Race 4- Sangue Reale, Glenledi Chief, Handsandwheels, Tenzing Bromac

Race 5- Nevermindthechaos, The Amber Hare, Bettor Get It On, Sheez Our Hope

Race 6- Valentines Brook, Ima Fivestar General, Hengheng, Onesmartfella

Race 7- Seven No Trumps, Raven Banner, Aussie Scooter, Middlepage

Race 8- Master Yossi, Sunshine Swift, Athabascan, Ifeel Sikdarl

Race 9- August Moon, Fly To Fame, Cabsav, Lucienne

Albany

R1- How Gouda She

R2- The Real Mikoy

R3- Alexandra Thegreat

R4- Rusinol

R5- Showpony

R6- Rebline

R7- Maximum Rock

R8- My Sweet Addiction

Top WA pacers

VB111 — Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:06:27 +0000

Wee cent and Mister Karamea

GP- WA Trotters Cup (Gp2) & Media Guild Cup

VillageKid — Thu, 02 Feb 2023 08:19:07 +0000

Race 1- Bronzed, Lucapelo, Cabsav, Major Manhattan

Race 2- Talks Up A Storm, Socrates, Mirragon, Carrera Mach

Race 3- Pocket The Cash, Handsandwheels, Cordero, James Butt

Race 4- The Ideal Touch, Galactic Star, Machnificent, Pradason

Race 5- Tricky Ric, Patched, Chumani, Luvaflair

Race 6- Hampton Banner, Patronus Star, Glenledi Chief, Typhoon Banner

Race 7- Beyond The Sea, Nevermindthechaos, Cherishthememories, Paroquet

Race 8- Awaitinginstructions, Rock Me Over, Gee Smith, Suing You

Race 9- Alcopony, Vulcan Star, Regal Aura, Tinseltown

Albany

R1- Del Bocavista Bay

R2- Showpony

R3- Bettor Look

R4- Pocketful Of Opals

R5- Simply Shaz

R6- Cracka Tinny

R7- Thirtythree Tricks

R8- Dream Walker

Pacing Cup

Chariotsonfire — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 03:22:45 +0000

Tabtouch went up $11 Minstrel. Win lose or draw it was the wrong price in my opinion.

In to $4 now.

Best Overs you have got in a Winning Bet

Markovina — Mon, 30 Jan 2023 03:57:54 +0000

Should be working at home - but i cant be bothered at the moment - rather discuss Trotting

So want to know your best winning bet was- where you have got massive overs for one reason or another

I was seriously pro punting from late 70s to early /mid 80s - why was i pro punting - well Perth was a depression - didnt matter what Professional qualifications you had or trade certificates - there was horrendous unemployment - i can remember lining up in a Scarborough street - a builder was building a duplex their- advertised in the West for someone to clean it - to take it - to what do they call it - fitout or lock up stage - 200 people lined in a queue for that job - he eventually came out - and said i only need 2 people - so the other 200 went home - so to me it was a simple decision - pro punt or otherwise be evicted and starve . I had 2 shots at ProPunting - 1st time no good - undisciplined - 2nd time round - highly disciplined - brilliantly prepared - and won and banked some very nice money

To set the scene back then - for people who wernt around then - there was massive overs and cream everywhere if you knew what your were doing - simply because WA was like a different country to the E/States - even Melb and Syd were like different countries - so there were big gaps in the information - thus if you knew what your doing - there were beautiful overs to cash in on

I will give you a general example which i didnt profit from so you can get a feel for the massive overs on offer - then i will give you my actual example

Early 80s WA had a great galloper/sprinter by the name of Coal Pak - trained way down south - beautiful blue colours from memory - it won the time honoured Oakleigh Plate at Caulfield - so a very prominent/prestigious race . Alby Smith jumped off it for some bizarre reason - and Harry White took the winning ride - i can still hear Collins call ( no pictures back then ) but at the top of straight he said " Oh heres Coal Pak " - it just romped in - i wont give an official margin - because you can bet London to a brick on - that someone will Nitpick me on that

Anyhow John McGrath the now politician - he use to be a racing journalist - he was on 6PR - i allways liked John - he gave the WA dividends - now WA had a stand alone TAB - so did Vic - now they were 50cent units - so again i dont want to be nitpicked on this - but say he said ( in todays $1 units ) Coal Pak paid $6 - he then said in an exasperated voice - " Look if you like one of ours ( a WA horse ) - youve got to back it over their - its paid in $14 in Melb" That is a prime example of the fantastic overs you could get- if you knew what you were doing and backed horses in the right place - and it was an Oakleigh plate for goodness sake - a very prominent race

Now my actual example - it was a race at Moonee Valley harness race around 83/84 - now to set the scene again - when the Valley trots were on Frid night - the only 2 - interstate trotting meetings that the WA TAB would cover / bet on were HaroldPark and Moonee Valley - there was nothing during the week or Sat - there was no Ballarat - Bendigo - Geel - Penrith or Bathurst - absolutely nothing - they didnt even on Albion Park or Globe Derby - thus there was very little form/information - that was beautiful for someone well prepared

I had Melb Truth newspaper and the sporting Globe newspapers hitting the ceiling in the spare room - the S/Globe would show pictures of the Valley Trots at the bell and at the finish - plus the sectional times -very important information . But also i use to duck into this City Newsagency 3-4 times a week - he had basically had a hole in the wall in a City arcade - and he got in daily the interstate newspapers - he said to me - look mate if they are not in by lunchtime they have missed the plane and you wont get them to the next day - which are no use - but 80% of the time he got them that day - and they were vital - full form guides and betting market

Anyhow ive got the Melb Sun paper for a Fridaynight M/Valley trots - there was a horse in the last race called Parading - a poor mans Lincoln Storm - very strong - it had poor numerical form but it was a certainty- John McClean trained/drove it - he had good horses like Sammy Karamea and Riverlea Jack . Now remember the West Australian newspaper even up to 4 years ago - they had those stupid odds re country trots - well imagine what odds they had 40 years ago - when they were only covering 2 interstate trotting meetings a week

They had 10-1 Parading - ive got the Melb Sun - the price is 5 to 2 ON - take 2 to 5 $1.40 in todays betting and it was an absolute certainty

There were 2 interstate Trots bookies at GP - standing not far far from Chariots actually - a tall skinny bloke - only manning the stand - i saw him working in a bankone day - there was another bookie - looked Maltese -bit of a hunch back - wore a bit of a jacket - he bet before the call - and he put up 10-1 Parading . Now at that point you want $500 on it at that price - but even he would wise up and you would get nothing - so i said $60 Parading - a 50 and 10 dollar note i had - and he accepted the bet $600 to $60 Parading . Three to 4 minutes later he must have felt a total goose - because the 1st call came over and it was 2 to 5

I had a little trani - listened to the race on the lawn area - Brian Martin called the race - and he was on Parading big time - and the horse had a run where it could have got beat - he said - boy Parading is taking an eternity to get the death - took about a lap - but in the home straight - i can remember him saying Parading just races away - won by plus 5 metres

Now that is a prime example of the overs you could get back then - for a $60 bet i should have won $24 - but instead won $600 - they were sensational - exciting days back then - limited information flow -huge lack of form - perfect situation to cash in . Now it is 40 years ago - and hopefully ive got most of that right - because Jay Jay will be scurrying off to his record books to try to nail a few errors in it

But the thread title - if you have got massive overs in a winning bet - then tells us your story

Mount Eden Sprint 16/10

JayJay — Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:06:14 +0000

Chicago Bull draws 1, Shockwave draws 2.. I can here the presses warming up down at the West Australian.....or perhaps a novice for non city winners at at Barcoo may take precedence.. Nonetheless, a mouth watering clash for the 150 or so spectators this Friday night.

GP- Nights Of Thunder Final & Busselton Cup

VillageKid — Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:31:03 +0000

Race 1- Rocknroll Elliot, Eton Rock, Vulcan Star, Armed Reactor

Race 2- Valentines Brook, Mirragon, Lucky Galleon, Manning

Race 3- Handsandwheels, Machnificent, Mea Culpa, Rockaball

Race 4- Ragazzo Mach, Lavra Joe, Sangue Reale, Wildwest

Race 5- Pinny Tiger, Tenzing Bromac, Orlando Blue, Talks Up A Storm

Race 6- Shadow Roll, Special Lady, Sameplace Sametime, Whoswhointhezoo

Race 7- Im Themightylucy, Cherishthememories, Miss Boudica, Beyond The Sea

Race 8- Master Yossi, Carrera Mach, Athabascan, Joe With The Flow

Race 9- Bronzed, Lucapelo, Imperium, Telkem Jay

Race 10- Patched, Sky Eagle, Papa Razzi, Chumani

Busselton

R1- Mybrotherskeeper

R2- Arden Velocity

R3- Alfa Prince

R4- Emjay Twenty Three

R5- Hi Tommy

R6- Hope

R7- The Running Camel

Greyhound Trainer Attacked - UK

SLIPPERGOLDEN — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:01:02 +0000

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21161566/crayford-greyhound-track-attack/ ;

Fremantle Cup

Chariotsonfire — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 12:48:29 +0000

Live barrier draw on social media at 3:00pm and none of the corporates have come up with a market.

Inter Dom 2021- Joke

SLIPPERGOLDEN — Sat, 17 Sep 2022 16:39:00 +0000

PP reports...Boncel Benjamin came from obscurity and claimers to win last year's Inter Dominion a race traditionally won by champions. Benjamin is no champion. He is a legless walker. Jason Grimson who trained it is a disgraceful drug cheat.

My comment.. Has it won a race since? Duffy now the trainer. Last recently beaten 43 metres at $151. Never closer than 12 metres including beaten 25 metres in last 5 starts prices of $26 and $51. No Inter Dominion winner can boast that post Inter Dom form record.