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Pacing Cup Friday

Chariotsonfire — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:25:10 +0000

Barrier Draw:

1. Major Reality

2. The Bucket List

3. Delightful Offer

4. Cyamach

5. Bettors Fire

6. Beaudiene Boaz

7. Our Jimmy Johnstone

8. Chicago Bull

9. Mynameskenny

10. John of Arc

11. Our Jericho

12. Soho Tribecca

Narrogin Giddy Up Garbage

JayJay — Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:59:56 +0000

Am carrying on a bit about this and apologies in advance but let's play scenario here for race 4 at Narrogin.
A casual or first time punter looks at the Giddy Up form. He knows leaders prevail at the trots, looks at No 1 Terraforce, see's price needed at $34 and says no thanks, too rough, so he goes okay, I'll look at the fav....Brookies Jet...$2.80....geez pretty short, everything else in the race is "has claims, each way chance, has claims again, novelty hope"....bugger, too hard, another middie of Carlton dry thanks love, I'll sit this out. Turnover immediately lost.
Terra force wins, he checks the divvies, geezus, $3.60 and $1.70......what happened there? What about Brookies, crikey its paid $2.00 the place....stuff the Red hots, this is a joke.....now I know, that is simplified, an uninformed casual punter having a beer and a bet after work but thats what we are dealing with ....he doesn't understand expected prices, ratings, he looks at $34 and assumes that is an expected SP ......and that is why Giddy Up needs to giddy up out of here.

Pinjarra Today.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:41:17 +0000

Great positive drive Aiden De Campo on Ideal Tyson drove it as the best horse in the race which it was. Last start at Gloucester Park was a tough effort likewise today. Worried The Spinster out of it completely.

EPO administered locally report states.

SLIPPERGOLDEN — Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:37:14 +0000

Radio report there is supposedly video of a couple of local trainers administering EPO to greyhounds.

PACERS...HAVE ALWAYS HAD A..MALDIVES EXISTENCE COMPARED TO THE OLD PIT PONY.

savethegame — Mon, 16 Jan 2017 03:54:09 +0000

Doing research on another matter came across this; 16 jan 1950.....Merchanisation has reduced the number of pit ponies in britians coal mines from 68,000 in 1920 to 20,000.... Those that are left are to have there own 48 hour week..... New regulations will protect them from over work &distress pit ponies haul coal along mine tunnels....The ministry of fuel has ordered that each pony must be examined by a veterinary surgeon every 12 months, and if unfit brought to the surface immeadiatley.....No permanently unfit pony can't be sold to a dealer ,it must be sent to home of rest or responsible person.....No pony is to be worked more than two shifts in 24hours or more than three shifts in 48hrs.except in emergency.

Northam Cup

VillageKid — Sat, 14 Jan 2017 10:22:18 +0000

The running of the time honoured Northam Cup & the Village Kid Sprint are on tonight.

An old fav of mine as a young fella Sinn Fein won it twice back in the mid 80s.

Im Full Of Excuses will be hard to beat even off 30m in the NC.

A big class drop for El Machine in the VKS but is it going well enough to take advantage I wonder?

David Hercules

JayJay — Sun, 04 Dec 2016 10:59:27 +0000

The now 10 yo won a trial at Byford last Sunday going 1.57.2.

HECTOR JAY JAY DOUBT?

savethegame — Fri, 13 Jan 2017 07:38:20 +0000

HECTOR JAY JAY ; 1.04 fav. hector in doubt for Shepparton Cup possible signs viral infection, overnight blood tests, will confirm whether he runs or not.Having a look at the field gee a few others will grow in confidence, in next 24hrs.

trot swabs

spinking — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 04:42:58 +0000

Was hoping that either Jay Jay or Riders might be able to enlighten me. Mates horse won at Northern last Thursday night the bloke that is in it with him transferd the stakemoney into his account Sunday. obviously the banks etc don't wok on Sunday , so I am assuming they were paid on Friday . So my question is 1= do they swab all country winners as i assumed they would. And if they do how come they pay out virtually straight away , do they do this because of the size of the stakemoney I think only about $4000 , and if o is this the case with all country meetings

Giddyup Garbage GP 13/1

JayJay — Thu, 12 Jan 2017 23:27:41 +0000

Race 1 Rock Diamonds Price:$1.45..comment Each Way Here.
Race 5 James Galleon $1.75 Each Way this draw
Race 8 Rabchenko $2.20 Each Way this draw.

On a positive, any chance Race 5 Unsinkable Boxer from 1 ....priced at $69 by Giddy Up or....can Nathans Courage cross American Boy in Race 6 at $6.70? John Of Arc listed as $49?, Soho Tribeca at $10? ....do they just make it up?

Numbers will win out in the cup...Chicago Bull will get the favours but I will be stupidly loyal and stay with Soho Tribeca.

Albany Trots Thursday

Chariotsonfire — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 03:52:40 +0000

Great tipping on the HRA Albany Form Guide:

Race 3 Bethany Aitch not in first four.

Gloucester Park Tuesday.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Mon, 09 Jan 2017 12:07:02 +0000

Interesting runner tomorrow night Grangewood Red backed her as a roughie for a place Friday night she was about 20/1 to win in an average race...had every possible chance three back the pegs and walked up the straight to finish 5th. Tommorrow night prepost is just $2.90 to win! Admittedly a terrible field and barrier 1 but good luck just the same. Doesn't really say a lot for the others if Red is a big chance and clear cut second favourite. Does look a deadset quinella however Cheeryrose leading and Red taking the sit and running at least second.

Gloucester Park Friday.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 13:31:09 +0000

Five of the first six races long odds on favourites...five odds on favourites at GP last Tuesday. Is it a problem ? Declining turnover says yes.

Albany Tonight.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Sun, 08 Jan 2017 08:56:16 +0000

Nathan Turvey has eight drives from eight races...five well into double figures and the other three long odds on. Think with some confidence he will get the three into the red up. Will be interesting to see how his other five drives at long odds go too.

Pelling returns to US

curmudgeon — Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:34:06 +0000

http://www.harnessracingupdate.com/pdf/hru/hru010817.pdf?v2

Interesting comments in this article

Ken Wills, Bret Armagh and Dale Spring

JayJay — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 01:43:53 +0000

Old Victorian Trainer Ken Wills aged 86 moved upstairs this week and he had a number of close ties to WA. One of his very good horses, Bret Armagh, a very nice going and speedy horse was a visitor to Perth in the '70's. He won heats of the Pacing Cup, contested the infamous 1974 Interdominion won by Hondo Grattan when half the field was knocked out of the race..he placed 3rd in the Final but was disqualified for a positive swab after the final....I recall quite a bit of discussion about that particular swab enquiry. Another of Ken Will's better horses was Dale Spring who after finishing a very successful career on the track, was put to stud and was the sire of Juniors Image, winner of the 1971 Interdominion at Addington, who of course, history tells us, was also disqualified on a very, very dubious positive swab charge.

Pinjarra Monday.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Sun, 08 Jan 2017 14:22:57 +0000

Seven races Monday and five long odds on favourites. Bunbury on Saturday night and Albany last night complete three meetings in a row of races dominated by odds on favourites. If the powers that be can't see their is a proliferation of odds on favourites in Western Australian trotting they are not looking in the right spot. For punters with big fat wallets to play with and put there 5k on to win 1k with the fixed odds corporates that's fine. However for the average punter - the lifeblood of the industry - it's not good enough.

ALBANY SUNDAY NIGHT POSITIVE MOVE ?;

savethegame — Sun, 08 Jan 2017 03:25:56 +0000

I for one reckon the turnover will be good.Not much local as in aussie products to bet on.Sunday night as a rule is a high first four pools re south africia......Good & smart Play by the tab would have been to guaranteed first 4 pools of 5,000 per race the old rule , speculate to accumulate.......On this program there should be a spike on t/o in race 2....Due to tamworth last trot is at 18.47.. Hobart last is 18.55... and Albany second race is 19.05 .where you fit regards meetings finishing, rule of thumb it should be higher than the 1st race and the third race, and then of cause the meetings t/o stabilizes after that,.... We have to hammer the governments to demand or make law the corporates give something back.to the industry.....People in the industry are not in favour of sunday night ? makes it a long week.? but in the scheme of things, after Friday night country harness being the best night.....Punters are gassed after playing major metro. venues on Saturday......These that much racing its become a game of tactics re t/o.

Bunbury Saturday Night.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 14:39:00 +0000

Eight races seven odds on favourites. Several around the $1.20 mark. Think more odds on favourites in WA trotting than has ever been seen before.

Busso 6/1

rooster321 — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 06:58:43 +0000

Any thoughts tonight guys ?
I like dagati image ew in the first
Te rapuraha ew in the 2nd
Last chance Augusta moonlight ew race 5
And finish it off with good riddance ew
In the last

Handicapping System????

JayJay — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 04:37:26 +0000

Just going back to Beat The Heat and the Filardos. It wins a $7000 C0/C1 at GP at its last start on Tuesday and tonight it goes around in a $3000 R0/R1 at Northam...field selected in reverse order.....and draws barrier 1. I mean good luck to them, I hope it wins again, it's a handicapping special as such. Now if I owned any of the other horses in that race......and good luck to all the connections because with respect, there isn't a lot of ability amongst them...but if I did, I would be spewing that we have a system that allows Beat The Heat to even be in the race. It's not a handicapping system, it's a bizarre game of being able to take advantage of the system and manipulate your chances, repeating, good luck to the Filardos, they have done nothing wrong. Anyone keen on the $1.30 fixed on offer Beat The Heat???

G.P. FRI; 6/1/2017

savethegame — Tue, 03 Jan 2017 08:11:17 +0000

Borrow the boxes from Cannington again; 5 races on card with 8 runners.Hope people that normally don't get cheque get one. Hard to get excited about the punt ,Freo cup doesn't seem the same not being a stand.

A.C. Lewis Milestone

JayJay — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:09:29 +0000

Just 6 wins to go to ring up win number 5000....Cardigan Boko was number 4994...extraordinary feat just the 3rd in Australia to do so. There will I hope be a mention of it in the press but I wouldn't bet on it.

I also see that S.McDonald is NSW bound...he has been very good at Olivieri's and has established himself, hope the grass is greener over there because I think he has a future.

Gloucester Park Tonight.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Tue, 03 Jan 2017 08:31:08 +0000

Good effort by Beat The Heat ( omen tip ) to lead all the way in the first. Jonni Royale followed through nicely off the back line drawn directly behind...soon afterwards came off the pegs...run of the race behind leader meekly given up. Good run definetly placed if stays where should have :-??

Busso 2/1

rooster321 — Mon, 02 Jan 2017 06:50:13 +0000

Any thoughts tonight guys ?
Don't mind race 3 idolize me ew
Race 5 Augusta moonlight ew
Race 6 lord aviator ew
And racy lacy to win the last

Albany Tonight.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:44:55 +0000

Golden Nugget runner up Nathan's Courage in race 7. Looks a certain leader and winner , hoping the other Nathan can slot Little Astro Boy from barrier two in behind him and run the quinella.

''COME ON FRANK'' S.A. PEOPLES HORSE RETIRES.

savethegame — Mon, 02 Jan 2017 01:15:18 +0000

He had a huge following.No better story for the industry .... The Billinger's with there loss of daughter Kelly,in car accident,.At the same time you could push a peanut with your nose quicker then frank went... Then low & behold out of nowhere he took off,. to fill a small gap. ....Frank done his part .......130 sts ...61wins...26seconds...12...thirds $404,000 in stakes. ONYA FRANK.

Major Reality's 3YO Brother Ultimate Machete

JayJay — Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:38:07 +0000

This lovely big colt has dominated 3 YO racing in NZ so far this season. Does he cover ground with each stride or what?

GP- 30/12

VillageKid — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:38:21 +0000

Race 1- Franco Rayner

Race 2- Rich Yankee

Race 3- The Trilogy

Race 4- Ultimate Major

Race 5- Bronze Seeker

Race 6- Bettor Be Supreme

Race 7- Beaudiene Boaz

Race 8- Attack On Command

Race 9- Lisdelight

Race 10- StraitToTheBar

Dream Away / Albatross Mares and Yearling Sales

JayJay — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 08:01:12 +0000

Stating the bleeding obvious here but mare lines with Albatross continue to put runs on the board, the latest I noticed is the Dream Offer, by Dream Away with Albatross her grand sire on the mares side. So far, 5 foals, 4 winners and an unraced 2yo, all inside 1.57.3 with a total of 47 wins....Our Bettor Dream 1.57.3, 12 wins and $183k, Bettor Offer with the Bonds 1.53.0, 14 wins $181k, Delightful Offer also with the Bonds,1.53.6, 16 wins and $205k and last nights Ballarat winner Can't Refuse (who raced at GP last May and ran 2nd in the NSW Derby in 1.54.8) 5 wins and $97k. Fair chance the 2 year old Ultimate Offer will be able to run. Why post this? well a little horse called HectorJayJay is by Dream Away with Albatross as his grand sire on the dams side. So if your off to a yearling sale this year and you see one by Dream Away out of a mare with Albatross as its Grandad or a yearling from a mare with the same cross.....ummm....at least have a look at it. As you can see, boredom is engulfing my life!!!!