Harness & Greyhounds - Perth Turf Talk

Time Honoured Wagin Cup.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Fri, 26 Feb 2016 05:07:45 +0000

Nice to see Wagin going great guns with the running of the Wagin Cup tonight...has a rich pacing history and more importantly still going strong.
JJ you might be able to provide a few past Wagin Cup winners...the track formerly was a lot tighter than it is now. With the surprising closure of Harvey hope Wagin can survive for many more decades. Tonight each way Go West U Terror. Needs luck!

Harold Park

G-Mac — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 04:10:49 +0000

What has become of the old girl. I would never be happy with it but the least they could do was build something that looked something similar to palatable.

Burnie

G-Mac — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 23:28:33 +0000

Meeting tonight for those who love the small tracks. 607 metres!

Idyllic surrounds. 7 races, 5 standing starts. Track record at 2.02.6

Destreos

G-Mac — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 23:40:39 +0000

Had start #399 on 6 March. Start #400 not far away

Wouldn't you love to have one like him? This season alone he has had 22 starts for 8 wins, 9 places and a tick over $66k in prizemoney.

Northam 10th March

Chariotsonfire — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:10:44 +0000

Troy Lewis wants to lead on a 200/1 chance rather than taking a trail on the $1.10 favourite and gets beaten 200m.

The mind boggles.

$100/1 WOW

jum — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 22:28:24 +0000

To Markovina

Last nights tipping of the 100/1 winner under the "GP 4/3 Thread". was absolutely sensational and as Chariots said. One of the best tipping efforts ever. Well if anyone has tipped a 100/1 pop on here before and gone into that much detail on why they tipped it. "I'll Walk to Bunbury".

This effort deserves it's own threat for all and sundry to see. Great effort my friend. I had a little nibble too @ the $50s. So thankyou and keep them tips coming Mate.

^:)^ =D> $-) ^:)^

Whip Use in Harness Racing

Chariotsonfire — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 04:48:52 +0000

With this subject getting some coverage under the Albany Club thread I thought it might be worthwhile having some open discussion on the issue.

In my opinion unless whip use is drastically reined in (no pun intended) there can only be one outcome in the medium to long term and that is the removal of whips altogether.

If that happens the drivers that continue to stretch the envelope and break the rules will squeal like stuck pigs yet it will be their actions that have brought this restriction to fruition.

Pinjarra Cup- 7/3

VillageKid — Mon, 07 Mar 2016 01:07:19 +0000

With the Pinjarra Cup being run today does anyone remember any notable previous winners of the race?

ITMQ winning a couple of years ago when he looked gone 50m from the line and I thought he would run 3rd is one that sticks out.

Heeza Head Honcho

JayJay — Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:12:42 +0000

Looks like Frank Bonnett has another classy baby......and I emphasise another. Heeza Head Honcho most impressive at Bunbury tonight ...did a few things wrong and still blitzed in very fast time (1.55.8) in winning easily....the most impressive of the 2 year olds so far this season I think.

Who Am I...Take 3.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Sun, 06 Mar 2016 13:03:01 +0000

When I was born I just happened to be the spitting image of my old man. He was a bad beginner but was a tough old bloke. My mum showed ability as a 2 year old but an accident prevented her from racing. My career did not start very well I was banned after my first trial and subsequently at my next 2 trials I was ordered to stand well behind the others. That caused me to lose interest. My trainer was going to geld me but thank goodness he decided to be patient with me a bit longer. He then snuck me into a trial where the starter didn't know me. I lined up with the other horses raring to go , I lost 100 metres at the start but got up and won. Now lining up with others I felt confident and more determined. After losing all the ground I had something to prove. My career began in the hazy days of a Febuary summer in 1978 at Wagin of all places. I began badly got checked twice and ran 3rd. Two months later I went to a mobile at Pinjarra and got the biscuits in fast time. By the time I was 5 I had raced 30 times for 21 wins. 17 of them in a row. I was now developing a cult following. A lot of my track work was done on the sand dunes at the beach.
My nickname was 'the Black Flash'. I lived until I was 30 enjoying a life of luxury. Was I champion ? That's for you to decide...Who am I ?

GP 4/3

VillageKid — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 10:43:25 +0000

Race 1- Machs A Pearler

Race 2- Nicnak Paddy Wak

Race 3- Robyns CC

Race 4- Sonic Classic

Race 5- The Revolution

Race 6- Atlastalone

Race 7- Leda McNally

Race 8- Thats Rite

Race 9- Dredlock Rockstar

Race 10- Machine Elle

VINCENZO PERUGGIA

Gilgamesh — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 10:26:51 +0000

Hope you got plenty on Mick, was a good go. Looks to have plenty of talent. loved the drive by Woodley although after the race I think anyone could have won on it!

Who Am I Pacing Take 2.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 13:22:33 +0000

At a Perth yearling sale I hardly turned a head, barely attracting a bid I went home unwanted. A gangly youngster I was. Soon after I was sold privately for a pittance. As a 3 year old I was still unraced. Then one day things began to click when in a workout at the Byford training track I hit my straps running a scorching time. It took me until I was 4 years old to win won my first feature race. But by the time I was 6 I was proving to be almost unbeatable, I was tough and aggressive. When I finished my career I had set three World records, one Australasian record , five Australian records and six State records. I lived until I was 29 well looked after in retirement. Im buried proudly wrapped in the rug of one of my best wins. Who am I ?

Who Am I In Hopples?

JayJay — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 14:14:05 +0000

Lets see how long this one lasts?

I was a brilliant, unsound,erratic, bred in the purple horse by Booth Hanover with a dam line rich in blue blood. My race winning mum carried the classic Lordship/Garrison Hanover cross and she produced 7 quality winners. I only had 38 starts but had a winning percentage of 45%.

I won my first start as a 3YO in 1990 at Richmond Raceway but caused a fair bit of chaos and was stood down and sent back to trials. My trainer who was starting to forge a name for himself persisted but I was uncooperative. After a number of unplaced runs followed by some country wins, I got my act together and won a 3YO Classic at start number 10. I then went sore and was stood down from racing.After a spell I returned, won a couple of minor races but raced erratically and yep, stood down again for 14 days and 2 trials after a phenomenal 4th in the WA Derby.

2 starts later I won my second 3YO classic for big dollars and then spelled for 6 months. I returned to put together a picket fence of 4 wins including a 4YO Classic and was talked about as the next "super star" but I went sore again and spelled for 8 months.

I returned for some unplaced runs, a minor win and a 2nd in a group 3 Cup run in winter in which I went sore again and it seemed all over. Off to the paddock for 10 months. However, I was bought back by a kind legendary trainer in the twilight of his career, who revived my fortunes to drive me to 3 excellent wins and 4 placings, including an unlucky 3rd in another Group 3 Cup run in winter (which I protested after being severely interfered with), from my last seven starts. That was it, a very promising career all over due to my dodgy legs.....and I was just getting the hang of this racing caper.

Interestingly Named Greyhound.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:54:25 +0000

Most punters in WA would be familiar with local horse Totes Amaze a former Belmont Park winner. The clever name Totes Amaze may conjure up thoughts of big dividends, jackpots, dazzlement etc.
Today noticed a greyhound running at Ballarat in race 10 called Totes Amazeballs...possibly named with WA horse in mind but the meaning being totally the opposite!

Trotting Column Western Mail 1928

JayJay — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 14:04:25 +0000

Extract from the Western Mail Trotting Column from October 1928 may be of interest to some:
The Dumbleyung Trotting Club has been

allotted October 13 as a racing date.

C. E. J. Wilkinson, T. Wilkinson, J.

Hand and A. Sheahan have lodged appeals

against their recent disqualifications.

The committee of the executive heard

the appeal of T. J. Corcoran against the

recent disqualification of himself and the

gelding Argument for 12 months last week,

and after consideration it was decided to

uphold the appeal.

The Kununoppin Trotting Club will con-

duct a meeting on Saturday afternoon.

The principal race will be the N.E.D.

Trotting Derby, which will be the first

event of its kind to be held in the coun-

try

Buff, the speediest Kalgoorlie performer

made a creditable showing in the Flying

Mile, at the meeting of the Eastern Gold-

fields Trotting Club on September 5. From

120 yards behind Buff defeated a field of

nine, at a 2.19 rate, a time seldom re-

gistered at Kalgoorlie.

Permission and exemption to conduct

trotting events have been granted to the

following bodies:-Yandanooka Gala Day

Sport3, one event, on September 13;

Kwolyin Agricultural Society, one event,

on September 22; Kulin Agricultural So-

ciety, one event, on September 29; and

Lake Grace and District Agricultural So-

ciety, three events, on September 20.

Two world's records were claimed at re-

cent, meetings held at Addington, New

Zealand. They are reported to be credited

to Peterwah, 4.23 4-5 (best unhoppled trot-

ter in a two miles race), and Native Chief,

2.7 1-5 (champion mile saddle horse). The

latter record is three-fifths of a second

faster than Kola Girl's Australian mile re-

cord, established at the Claremont Show

Grounds many years ago.

Mr. J. H. Cotillea- who representa the

"Australian Trotting Record," is now in

this State on a business trip. While in

this city Mr. Coulter will take an active

part in the sport by racing his two horses,

Winn Stirling and Winn Palm, both of

whom are by Winn Alto and are being

trained at Fremantle. Mr. Coulter is

the first representative of the "Record"

to visit this State on business during the

22 years of the journal's existence.

Mr. A. A. Whittaker reports that his

seven -year-old gelding, Hoon Hay (Great

Audubon-Cora Dillon) died on Sunday

morning from liver trouble. Hoon Hay

had been spelling, and was just being put

into work again. Hoon Hay competed

three times in this State for a win and a

second. He won three races in New Zea-

land, where his best mile rate was 2.18,

which he recorded in second place over

a mile.

The 19-year-old square-gaiter Craboon,

who defeated a field of ll pacers in the

Laverton Handicap, on Saturday night,

in easy fashion, finished fourth in his

other start this season on August 25.

Since August 10, 1918, Craboon has won

21 races on the Perth track, and at least

one race every season. The" Vendetta

gelding was registered with the associa-

tion in August, 1915, as a six-year-old

trotter

GP today

Gilgamesh — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:11:56 +0000

New World Order going around in race 3 today, think he is a pretty serious horse in the making.

Miracle Mile

Offthebit — Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:36:06 +0000

Just a quick question for the people who are in the know than than me.

Where is smolda?

He finished an amazing 2nd in the NZ cup. Then in oz he wins the ballarat cup beating Lenny, followed by a head 2nd to Lenny in the Victoria cup.
If that's not enough, he goes and wins the hunter cup.
Why is this horse not in the race? It is a great field but it could be a whole better with this horse in the race.
What ever happened to the days when the miracle mile was an invite only race for the best 6 free for all horses in Australasia?
Forgive my ignorance, he may have rejected an invite which has happened in the past, but I doubt it.

Empress Stakes GP 26/2

JayJay — Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:43:51 +0000

One of my favourite races coming up this Friday with a potentially great clash. Been going for 46 years this race under various formats...fillies. 4YO mares, older mares etc.....nearly won it with Gleaming (as a 3yo) back in 1977 but ran into Kiwi Cloud (a 5YO)...and won by some great mares over the years. But with Major Reality, Quite A Delight and Tricky Styx, the quality is right up there and the draw will be critical. They ran 1,2,3 in the Oaks last year and all 3 in great form plus plenty of other good mares going around. (Leda McNally, Millwood Faith??)
Major Reality, 19 starts, 12 wins (the last 6 in a row) and 4 placings, $206k and a 1.54.7 record, Quite A Delight, 15 starts, 9 wins (last 5 in a row) and 4 placings, $97k and a 1.54.0 record, Tricky Styx 32 starts, 14 wins (4 out of last 5, being knocked out of the race in the other one), 9 placings, $254k and a 1.54.1 record.
Have really warmed to Tricky Styx...noticed in the gear changes that Jesse Moore has stretched her out from a 60 inch hopple length to a huge 64 inches....and I might be imagining things but she seems to be travelling a lot more comfortably....love it that Jesse keeps trying new things to try and improve her and she is a big chunk of a mare. Yes, the draw will be crucial but potentially a great race coming up.
Some of the names that have won it in the past include Miss Dundee (Max Johnson), Bellagena (twice) for FRK, Kiwi Cloud (twice) for Lou Columbera and Kevin Keys, Palais Princess (FRK), Burrows (Colin Joss), Murdoch Miss (Jimmy the Jet), Smooth Gale and Mazzini Magic for Tricky, Golden Goddess (3 in a row for Schofield/Duffy), Sand Pebbles, She's Royalty, Ima Spicey Lombo and the last two won by Sensational Gabby. Always a good race.....think the $50k prizemoney is a little thin.

Gloucester Park 23d February

Chariotsonfire — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:33:02 +0000

Betfair have markets for all 8 races just below that provided by Sportsbet.

Some correlation here but not sure what the agenda is.

Bunbury 20th February

Chariotsonfire — Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:58:31 +0000

Given the quality of the field the Manea Classic was a very disappointing race with Bettor Reward gifted he lead and the race.

At $1.36 the betting told you that this was probably going to happen and it played out accordingly.

First up Bettor Reward could not sit outside Three Bears and beat it but we will never know what would have happened if Machrihanish had retained the lead.

Pinjarra Quaddie Today for $3 - 100%

Ridersonthestorm33 — Mon, 22 Feb 2016 01:13:54 +0000

Quaddie for today seems a straight forward task...which means something is a moral to go wrong!
Race 5 # 1.Muscle Torque.
Race 6 # 1.El Jacko.
Race 7 # 6. Commander Chappel.
Race 8 # 3. Bettor Not Knowing. # 5. Mossdale Flynn. # 7. Betta Go Bolt.
Hopefully will come in and pay over $3 :-S

Junee Race 5 Betting Odds

Markovina — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:35:11 +0000

Tonights meeting in the Riverina of NSW- Race 5 - the betting - there should be an inquiry - and an internal audit conducted by the TAB - as to whether anybody got on late - as in the last 200-300 metres

In all the other races tonight at Junee - there is about 12k in the win pool and 4k in the place pool - bu tnot race 5 - a very lowly assessed race - theres a whopping 30k in the win and 13k in the place ( all put on late)

There was a $1.75 fixed odds favourite ( thats what it started at fixed odds) - it led and fainted at the 300 metres - the horses who were challenging and ran 1st to 4th - were all smashed on the tote( ended up miles under their fixed odds price ) so much so that with 30k in the win pool - the favourite ( who was gonzo ) ended up on the tote at the amazing odds of $6.30 a win and $3.80 a place

Ive allways wondered in this technology age - can smarties get on in the run - like that race it was like - the favourite is gone - we will just smash the 4 horses who look a chance of winning at the 200 metre mark - the stewards - the TAB audit division should be all over that race

GP 19/2

VillageKid — Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:16:41 +0000

Race 1- Denny Crane
Race 2- Glenferrie Rustler
Race 3- Tricky Styx
Race 4- Assassinator
Race 5- Bhagwan
Race 6- Sportsnight
Race 7- Heez On Fire
Race 8- Flyalong Falcon
Race 9- Fernleigh Rebel
Race 10- Tommy Be Good

2016 Interdominion Final Early Market.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:40:09 +0000

Prices as at 17th Febuary 2016. All in market..no refunds on scratchings! Top 30 in betting. My odds on the right.
1. Lenny The Shark $7...$8
2. Beautide $8...$8
3. Christen Me $9...$9
4. Have Faith In Me $9...$10
5. Beaudiene Boaz $10... $11
6. Smolda $11...$12
7. My Hard Copy $21...$21
8. Guaranteed $26...$31
9. Messini $26...$41
10. The Orange Agent $26...$26
11. Our Sky Major $26...$51
12. Bling It On $34...$51
13. Tiger Tara $34...$34
14. Lovers Delight $34...$31
15. Hughie Green $34...$34
16. Philadelphia Man $34...$41
17. Devendra $34...$21
18. Arden Rooney $41...$34
19.Franco Nelson $41...$67
20. Run Oneover $41...$41
21. Ohaka Punter $41...$41
22. Avonova $51...$67
23. Bettors Fire $51...$67
24. Didjamaken Bolt $51...$51
25. Flaming Flutter $51...$81
26. Hectorjayjay $51...$51
27. Waylade $51...$67
28. Keeyang Cullen $51...$51
29. Frith $51...$41
30. Ella's Puppeteer $51...$51
Will be interesting to see the twists and turns in odds for the above prospects by the the time the Inters rolls back to Perth again.

Albany C.D. Burch

JayJay — Mon, 08 Feb 2016 02:32:30 +0000

Trained 6 of the 8 winners at Albany Saturday Night, a head away from 7 and a trifecta and 2 quinellas as well. By any measure, that is a fair effort.

Shardon's Rocket

JayJay — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:24:53 +0000

They should erect a statue of Shardon's ...somewhere...as a monument to the Standard bred.

He had his first start on the 2nd of November, 2007 in New Zealand and won just once from his 6 starts before heading to Victoria where he put together 5 wins in a row, 2 at Moonee Valley. He raced regularly all over Victoria and Tasmania up until May 2011 when he had his first start in WA, winning first up at Narrogin. And here he is on Feb 15th at Pinjarra some 5 years later and he wins his 36th race (74 placings) from his 246th start and rates 1.55.5 over 2185m and takes his stakes earnings to over $506k.....I do just sit and shake my head in wonder at him (and his unconventional Trainer Tony)...and the way he won yesterday, you would think there a more wins left in him. He's going for a short spell this week but will be back this Friday at GP....and will probably trial on Sunday at Byford before heading to Pinjarra next Monday.

Has been unlucky in major races....won the Navy Cup and the Ascot Gold Cup in Hobart....but 2nd in the Hamilton Cup, Nyah Cup, BOTRA Cup, Brennan Cup, Media Guild Cup, Parliamentarians Cup and The Lord Mayors Cup.....and 3rd in the Charlton Cup, Wedderburn Cup, Porter Memorial, BOTRA Cup, Stratton Cup and The Parliamentarians Cup. You have to smile a bit when you think of old Shardon's and Tony.

New Cannington track

Gilgamesh — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:46:02 +0000

Just wondering if one of the greyhound lovers could tell me how the track is shapping up? I was out that way for work today so I had a bit of a drive around, looks significantly smaller in both the track itself and the area available for any ammenities (I always thought that area was massive but when you start construction on it shows the eye can play tricks). Also looked a country mile away from being ready to race on, I know these things can come together quickly during the finishing stagesso hopefully that is the case.

Fingers crossed it turns out to be a great facility.

GP 16/02

Gilgamesh — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 11:03:03 +0000

Who the hell was backing Mon Lillies at $3????

I really think this next race is going to pan out well for Say It Now, have had a bet at the $8 available this afternoon. Think the quaddie is worth a play too, hopefully paying a bit more than the $10 quads we've had lately!

United We Stand.

Ridersonthestorm33 — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 01:45:12 +0000

With the announcement made recently that soon standing starts will be a thing of the past in Victoria , let's hope that WA doesn't follow suit and thereby end a great tradition and skill in harness racing. Stands may not be everyone's cup of tea but to end them all together is a great shame. Was stated that it was a very courageous decision by Harness Racing Victoria to cease standing start events. Please. The opposite may be closer to the mark...weak and narrow minded would be more apt.