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tonytony    2,361 posts
edited January 2014 West Australian Racing
Jockey Troy Turner has been cleared of any wrongdoing at a stewards inquiry into his ride on Granmcdawe at Pinjarra last Sunday.

Stewards determined Turner made an error of judgement on
Granmcdawe, who ran sixth as the $3 favourite behind stablemate Lequest.

But the error was not enough to warrant a charge against Turner
for failing to take all measures to give Granmcdawe every chance of
winning the race.

Turner's ride came under scrutiny after Granmcdawe's alarming
drift in betting and the successful plunge on stablemate Lequest, who
firmed from $5 to $3.20 on course.

An analysis of Turner, trainer Brett Pope and Lequest's jockey Ben Kennedy's phone records found nothing sinister.

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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,235 posts
    Good to see it investigated and good to see him cleared. 

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,741 posts
    edited January 2014
    Phone records?  No reflection on those checked but surely you wouldn't use your normal phones. If you do then you won't now.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    19,949 posts
    hope he goes to mass on sunday morning... :-\"

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  • ThumperThumper    820 posts

    If all they are relying on is personal phone records then might as well pack the integrity department up. Do they really think if a race was to be organised it would be done on personal mobile phones?

    Was this just another PR exercise?

  • trojanhorsetrojanhorse    345 posts
    does the 'analysis' include copy of the words between TT and the trainer before the race ? this is the conversion that is of most interest.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,660 posts
    Friday, 10 January 2014
    MEDIA RELEASE
    Thoroughbred – Conclusion of Stewards’ Inquiry – Jockey Troy Turner – GRANMCDAWE – Pinjarra Sunday, 5 January 2014
    RWWA Stewards’ today concluded the adjourned inquiry into Jockey Troy Turner’s riding and handling of GRANMCDAWE in Race 9, the ‘Ladies Day’ 2 Feb Handicap over 1200m held at Pinjarra Race Club on Sunday, 5 January 2014.
    Further evidence was taken from Jockey Troy Turner, the trainer of GRANMCDAWE Mr Brett Pope, Managing Owner Mr F Grantham and Part Owner Mrs C Mc Shane. Also, the Stewards patrol vision for this particular race and its previous start at Pinjarra on 15 December 2013 and also that of LEQUEST on 26 December 2013 were viewed in their entirety. A report from Principal Investigator Mr Phil O’Reilly who conducted enquiries related to certain persons who placed bets on this race identified from the wagering data obtained by Stewards in addition to a betting analysis performed by Stewards Wagering Analyst, Mr Gerald Croll was also tabled.
    Jockey Turner was questioned regarding his riding of GRANMCDAWE during two particular sections of the race, they being shortly after straightening and again near the 200m. In relation to his riding of GRANMCDAWE shortly after straightening, Jockey Turner was required to explain the reasons for his mount not improving between ONEOFUS (M Pateman) and HELL’S LADY (J Noske) when a run appeared between those two runners before closing a short distance later and also his decision to shift GRANMCDAWE to the inside of HELL’S LADY near the 200m and attempt to improve to the inside of that mare rather than continue to direct his mount outwards.
    Jockey Turner explained that he was following ONEOFUS throughout the early and middle stages and when realising that it was under some pressure prior to straightening and that HELL’S LADY was travelling strongly he shifted GRANMCDAWE outwards in an attempt to follow that mare and improve into the race with the intention of then shifting to its outside to gain clear running which he believed was a better option than remaining behind ONEOFUS as he was of the view that HELL’S LADY would improve sufficiently enough for him to execute this manoeuvre. He further stated that he commenced to ride GRANMCDAWE along from the 450m and attempted to take a run between ONEOFUS and HELL’S LADY shortly after straightening, however despite his urgings the gelding failed to accelerate sufficiently to improve between both runners prior to ONEOFUS and HELL’S LADY shifting ground causing the gap to close quickly with his mount then becoming blocked. Jockey Turner stated that he then decided to attempt to improve to the outside of HELL’S LADY near the 200m, however the mare lay outwards under pressure and shifted wider on the track with CASTLEMAHON (G Smith) and OUR BRUCIE BONUS (J Whiting) positioned directly to the outside of HELL’S LADY and consequently there was insufficient room to improve as making such a manoeuvre would have resulted in interference to both runners and he therefore elected to switch GRANMCDAWE back to the inside of HELL’S LADY and attempt to take a marginal run
    between it and ONEOFUS but his mount received buffeting near the 100m as that gelding continued to lay outwards necessitating him to ease his mount.
    The betting analysis completed included information obtained from all available sources including the WATAB, WATAB –Fixed Odds Betting, Betfair, and On Course Bookmakers. Notable betting fluctuations from the WATAB revealed that GRANMCDAWE drifted from $2.80 to $4.10, WORLD TRADER shortened from $8.20 to $5.80 and LEQUEST drifted from $4.70 to $4.90 before firming to $3.20 at the close of betting. The largest returns through the WATAB were from novelty bets, with the majority of them being “expert” bets placed by large and professional betting operations known to the Stewards from previous analysis. “Expert bets” are a method by which large numbers of combinations and/or propositions may be uploaded at once through an internet interface.
    It was noted that a considerable investment was made on GRANMCDAWE and WORLD TRADER through fixed odds betting. The analysis of betting records provided by Betfair following a request to that Agency by Stewards after it was noted that GRANMCDAWE had drifted considerably from its opening quote, was as a result of two large international trading accounts taking a position against GRANMCDAWE. These particular accounts are monitored on a regular basis by RWWA Stewards and Analysts employed by Betfair advised:
    “We have analysed the market and have concluded that the large drift in price of the 5. GRANMCDAWE was a result of large international trading accounts taking a position against the runner.
    The two accounts in question have both previously been noted as willing to trade heavily on WA Racing and Betfair have previously indicated that their trading activities at that scale are in no way confined to only WA Racing. Such activity is considered to be within normal parameters for these accounts.
    Fluctuations recorded through on course bookmakers of GRANMCDAWE showed it drifted from $1.90 to $3.70 and LEQUEST shortened from $5 into $3.20, however a number of bookmakers interviewed in regard to this advised that they were reacting and adjusting their prices in response to the market moves evident on Betfair.
    In accordance with the provisions of the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 (Cth) (TIA Act) telephone records of persons of interest were also obtained by the Stewards and analysed. No suspicious or unusual activities were detected. Following interviews conducted by the RWWA Principal Investigator of several persons there was no evidence of any connection between persons involved in the race and the betting activity described above.
    The identity of all wagers of interest was confirmed by Stewards with no links being found to any persons involved in the inquiry. Accordingly there is no evidence linking any laying activity to the jockey, trainer or owners of GRANMCDAWE or LEQUEST, nor any evidence of any person associated with the connections or rider attempting to profit from GRANMCDAWE failing to run a genuine race.
    Connections confirmed that they had supported the horse and after hearing the detailed evidence of the wagering activities, the review of all patrol footage and submissions by all parties indicated that they were satisfied as to the explanations put forth by Jockey Turner.
    After closely reviewing the race in question and listening to the explanations put forward by Jockey Turner and from all other parties, Stewards were of the opinion that Jockey Turner’s decision to attempt to follow HELL’S LADY into the race from shortly after straightening was plausible and well founded as it was evident that ONEOFUS was under a degree of pressure at that stage and that GRANMCDAWE became blocked shortly after this when not accelerating enough to improve quickly between runners and further that his decision to desist from an outward movement near the 200m was also reasonable given that interference would have resulted to at least two runners. Throughout this passage of the race, it was evident to Stewards that Jockey Turner was riding his mount out and endeavouring to obtain clear running on more than one occasion but had been unable to do so without causing undue interference to other runners. Accordingly, in their assessment of Jockey Turner’s riding of GRANMCDAWE in the straight, Stewards believed his actions were not unreasonable and in these particular circumstances did not attract the provisions of AR.135(b) which deals with all riders having to take all reasonable and permissible measures throughout the race to ensure the best possible finishing position.
    Media Contact: Brad Lewis – Chief Steward Thoroughbred Ph: 9445 5420 [email protected]
  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    edited January 2014
    The obvious betting flucs on this race led to an inquiry that blind freddie could have noticed.

    Has, Stewards Wagering Analyst, Mr Gerald Croll ever discovered a wagering move that led to an inquiry or a conviction?

    It would seem large international trading accounts are behind the extreme betting moves but no connection to WA racing can be identified.

    I guess they do the form better than the majority in WA.
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Regardless of this particular instance, brilliant to see a more thorough investigation done and published. A move in the right direction =D>

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts

    Regardless of this particular instance, brilliant to see a more thorough investigation done and published. A move in the right direction =D>

    If you investigate and find nothing, is that a thorough investigation or are you just too dumb to work out what is going on?

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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    edited January 2014
    True, but at least now we can see if they've got NFI. Befoee it was just assumed
  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    edited January 2014

    True, but at least now we can see if they've got NFI. Befoee it was just assumed

    They`ve always had NFI.

    You can consider it confirmed.
  • ThumperThumper    820 posts
    So who was supporting Lequest on Betfair? Seems a key piece of info missing

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  • HotJulesHotJules    226 posts
    very good...he'll wear making a blue and move on.
  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,311 posts
    Yep got away with it this time....
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    I don't think there was any wrong doing on TT behalf he just carved it up that's the norm for him doesn't like being in traffic or taking tight runs

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    Still not a good look though dungy, TT is Pope's #1 rider, correct? He knew the gee oh and assisted in ensuring the money wasn't left in the bag IMO
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    how did he assist, by being 3rd on the fence?. It was a disgrace that the inquiry was even adjourned. Look at the form surrounding Granmdawe

    Franks Call ran 2nd 14 from 14 at it's next run
    Governor Oreilly ran 3rd 15 from 16 at it's next run. 

    Did Turner know Pateman was going to roll off the fence when he came off to go around him, did he also know the horse that Noske was riding was going to shift out in front of him when he switched out to come to the outside. Just exlain IYO where he assisted the winner Hash, will be very interesting reading
  • writzzawritzza    4 posts

    how did he assist, by being 3rd on the fence?. It was a disgrace that the inquiry was even adjourned. Look at the form surrounding Granmdawe


    Franks Call ran 2nd 14 from 14 at it's next run
    Governor Oreilly ran 3rd 15 from 16 at it's next run. 

    Did Turner know Pateman was going to roll off the fence when he came off to go around him, did he also know the horse that Noske was riding was going to shift out in front of him when he switched out to come to the outside. Just exlain IYO where he assisted the winner Hash, will be very interesting reading
    get off your high horse Piston, your obviously mates with Turner.
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    noticed you didn't argue the facts, but then again you said he never rode the horse out 1 bit. 
    Wrizzla you obviously put a bit of thought into your comments :O
  • britbratbritbrat    90 posts
    Defence lawyer Piston Broke.Watch the ride on it yesterday.If he stays on the fence it wins the race.Ridiculous.A replica of the ride in question.
  • RIORIO    14,882 posts
    britbrat said:

    Defence lawyer Piston Broke.Watch the ride on it yesterday.If he stays on the fence it wins the race.Ridiculous.A replica of the ride in question.




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    :-* because my emoticons are so gay
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited January 2014
    welcome back britbat, hows the team going?
  • britbratbritbrat    90 posts
    Thanks for your interest PB.The team should be ok.We'll miss Buddy this year but the main core is still at the club.Haven't watched the replay yet?didn't think so
  • RIORIO    14,882 posts

    I've just watched the replay and just couldn't keep quiet anymore..

    I think they are going to have to send Granmcdawe to a trial so that he gets a chance to run a race out!!

    OR

    Enter him over 1400m so that Turner has more time to get him out.

    OR

    Send him over 1800 so that he is too tired to run up the back of every horse in front of him

    OR

    Put him back down the 1000m straight at Pinjarra so that he doesn't get caught on the fence...AGAIN 

    =)) =)) =)) =)) =)) =))

    And it looks like such a nice horse, and is struggling to get a cheque for the owners!!!!!

    Good luck to the owners in the future...It was interesting to see the in depth analogy of the ride after the race between Popey and Jagsy. Did anyone else notice it??

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,246 posts
    edited January 2014
    Im not sure there was really enough room there again to my eye. 
    Granted, some of our more courageous jocks may have forced a run through that, but Jaggsy is not a "barge thru" type rider. I'd say desperately unlucky again.
    I remember when Alan Kennedy was at the top of his game, he charged through a gap like that and got up on the inside of other runners (colonel Reeves 2010 on Ma Ma Machine). It was a stunning ride, but not too many take chances like that and I dont really blame them. Only takes a slight miscalculation and there could be carnage. 
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  • bradybrady    1,452 posts
    Seems to happen a lot to
    TT
  • RIORIO    14,882 posts

    Definitely not enough room with either ride.. He did the right thing in the first ride to not go through and he was correct in his ride yesterday to try to go outside...But it is the position he was in - especially yesterday - that is unfortunate, or a poor choice of places to be. Once again if he had shown a touch more patience he probably would have got through on the inside, but once again I doubt if there would have been enough time to get to the line first...Exactly the same as if he had of been a bit more patience on the outside in the first ride...Both times he still would have struggled to get to the line first.

    What he did in both rides was the safe option and I applaud him for not trying. Way too dangerous, especially for a 10k race at Pinjarra, but in reality for any race.

    And it isn't a slur on Jagsy - made sure I used the right nickname - But after his last ride on this horse I would have thought that he would have had only one thing in mind.....Don't get caught on the rails!!!!

    Each time it appears that he has had  lot of horse underneath him, and I do honestly feel for the owners..

  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,246 posts
    bit hard when youve drawn barrier 1 though...

  • RIORIO    14,882 posts

    granted 100%...but getting on that horse, after that last run you'd (oops, sorry I) think he would have had a plan to not be on the fence.

    It actually looked like he was trying to take them on up front for a while, but couldn't hold them out. So maybe that was the plan...Whatever it was..it didn't work and trapped on the fence...again

  • Jeepers Rio I'd hate to see if you were in the ownership!!!!
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