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Breeding to race - costs

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Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    560 posts
edited January 2015 Breeding
Hi fellas, looking into the option of buying a mare and breeding thoroughbreds to race with a few friends. Now besides the cost of the mare and the service fee for mating, what other costs are involved? For example what are the agistment costs for this (when in foal and when foal is born) and are there any other costs I need to look at??

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  • RIORIO    14,882 posts
    i have mine at a stud and it is about 600/month + all vet, teeth, feet bills, then foaling down cost of about 1500, then when one at foot about 750/month.

    not sure if that is cheap or expensive' hope it helps.  buying at an auction is cheaper than breeding imo

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  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    Cheaper again if you have property to keep your mares on

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  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    560 posts
    No property, can't find one cheap enough just yet ;)
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,766 posts
    Can I give you an alternative ? You don't own a property so your overheads will be high. you don;t own a mare so you have a long wait paying up ahead of you.

    Why not come shopping in February and buy one without any faults that a commercial breeder has already left at home, you can see how it looks at one year of age and that will give you an idea of what you will get later on, and you can always buy something that is unfashionable but well bred.

    I am certain that if you went the way of your original question, you would spend a lot of money and maybe just breed a less than ideal horse, most likely out of a mare that shouldn't have been bred to and covered by a Stallion of little credentials.

    So buy a yearling filly. I'm happy to assist.
  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    560 posts
    edited January 2015
    Cheers for the info. Will probably sit this sale out and maybe look at the 2nd yearling sale this year.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,766 posts
    Plenty will go for less than $20,000 at this sale. In fact I have bought a Saturday winner for $15,000 from Book 1 at this sale. She is now a young broodmare having won just over $93,000. A lot of decent horses cost very little at sales.

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,312 posts
    Ok i have a spread sheet that I keep track of all this stuff so from covering not including the cover or the price of the mare 3 trials up to a race, so just to get it to it's first race including agistment, foaling, branding, micro chipping, halter breaking, breaking everything $51,810.00, that was with 2 racing preps but not its first race...

    She was that slow we didn't even race her so if anyone wants a nice filly for there kids hit me up free to a good home!

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  • DaleDale    1,346 posts
    sounds about right. What are you thinking now Vincent?

  • RIORIO    14,882 posts
    Thanks for that TB, my dead reckoning was 60k to get it to a 3yr old.....

    Still think it'd be a lot cheaper buying a 10k yearling. Then 20k later you'd know whether to continue.....or do as TB has and put it on the verge with a "free to a good home" sign around its neck!!!!!
  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    560 posts
    Yeah I think I will just buy off someone else....... Too expensive
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    Depending on the sire you had in mind, if you spend anymore than 20k at the sales you will probably be financially behind comparatively.
    Breeding does have its pifalls, however breeding one yourself, seeing it from a day old foal in the paddock, being part of its development from birth to winning a race is an unbelievable experience.

    If you are going to spend 20k at the sales then costs will be about the same , breeding has a few more risks, but IMO a lot more satisfaction.

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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Why don't you lease one and see how it goes no upfront cost of buying I have 2 2yr olds available for lease so send me a message.

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Without doubt it is cheaper to just go buy one at the sales, but you get better racing results from bred to race (when done right).
    Personally I prefer to spend a little more up front to make a lot more at the back end.

    Get yourself a good mare, and more so - don't persist with even an average mare.
    If she can't throw black type - get rid of her.
    And if she's that good a mare - doesn't matter what bull you put her to. If you're having to spend big $ on service fees to get a half decent foal - time to get a new mare.

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  • Kiwi66Kiwi66    7 posts
    Come see what we have at Nuimara Farm.....Mr Mankini did not attract one bid so Fred And I decided to race and will go close again against the best 3 yr olds...... I have a couple of nice yearlings here on the farm if keen to inspect...have not been accepted for main sale
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,229 posts
    breeding please kiwi....thanks
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