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  • jumjum    2,860 posts
    I have backed amazing peace bomber. so Im hoping that helps
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,210 posts
    #-o

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  • JayJayJayJay    5,790 posts
    Quiet arvo, so a few bets on Oaks Day after a late start. A trap for me coz I know zilch about either gallops or Melbourne form, strategy good jocks, decent form. So I start with Ball Of Muscle race 5. Runs well, but C.Williams screams down the outside on the Godolphin horse and nabs the cash....I mean right down the outside. So I go, right, track bias, Williams always walks the track, has he got it sussed? Has he found a better pad than everyone else. Okay, lets have a crack at Star Missile at $6.50 in race 6. Bingo, right down the outside, it salutes. How easy is this, money for old rope. Staying with Willo in race 7 Highland Jakk  $6.50 (Yeah, yeah, not a lot of science here but just a bit of fun). Good, its coming down the outside but Bowman has been watching Willo....whooshka, down the outside comes Pancho and knocks off Willo. Then Ollie puts on a clinic in the Oaks ....down the outside ....a day the top riders dominated with Willo thanking the kids at the Car Wash and  his next door neighbors cat. (He must have forgotten them on Cup day).

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,463 posts
    edited November 2019
    Spring Carnival not finished yet, but WA hoops more than holding their own.
    Caulfield Cup - D. Lane
    Cox Plate - D. Lane
    Derby - D. Oliver
    Oaks - D. Oliver
    Not forgetting Bendigo Cup - Willy Pike.

    Great to see Darryl 'Digger' Mclllelan runner up on the 50/1 chance, he's comeback from some severe injuries a little while ago, has won a Group One. About 50 years of age, he's been riding one heck of along time.
  • therealkramertherealkramer    7,658 posts
    True Self(Queen Elizabeth Stakes) gets its chance for consolation after pushing Prince Of Arran in the Geelong Cup. I think TS would have gone close in the big race last Tuesday. Tempting fate on a day that historically favours outsiders but im keen to back True Self/Santa Ana Lane(Darley Classic)@ $4.40 @thefalcon

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    12,497 posts
    one leg in.. pretty comfortable viewing. Im not sure Santa Ana Lane will be as easy viewing as that... 

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    7,658 posts
    TheDiva said:

    one leg in.. pretty comfortable viewing. Im not sure Santa Ana Lane will be as easy viewing as that... 


    ~X(
  • PCPC    1,654 posts
    That's why Aiden O'Brien is the best trainer in the world. If anyone disagrees then they need to start watching world racing. Magic Wand ran in the Melbourne Cup at 3200m and then backs up four days later and drops down to 2000m and wins the Mackinnon Stakes. An outstanding effort.
  • BlacksAFakeBlacksAFake    2,247 posts

    True Self(Queen Elizabeth Stakes) gets its chance for consolation after pushing Prince Of Arran in the Geelong Cup. I think TS would have gone close in the big race last Tuesday. Tempting fate on a day that historically favours outsiders but im keen to back True Self/Santa Ana Lane(Darley Classic)@ $4.40 @thefalcon




    Bit like watching the Faiders 8-X
  • sonnysonny    715 posts
    He also has the best horses....

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  • detonatordetonator    2,226 posts
    PC said:

    That's why Aiden O'Brien is the best trainer in the world. If anyone disagrees then they need to start watching world racing. Magic Wand ran in the Melbourne Cup at 3200m and then backs up four days later and drops down to 2000m and wins the Mackinnon Stakes. An outstanding effort.


    Hindsight is a wonderful thing. On reflection a pretty average lot behind the winner.
    Hartnell Humidor Harlem Gallo Chop Kings will dream. All have had there moment in the sun, but their best days are behind them. Melody Belle needed softer going. Money was strong for the winner.
    I was on KWD. Had every chance. But no match for the winner.

  • therealkramertherealkramer    7,658 posts

    True Self(Queen Elizabeth Stakes) gets its chance for consolation after pushing Prince Of Arran in the Geelong Cup. I think TS would have gone close in the big race last Tuesday. Tempting fate on a day that historically favours outsiders but im keen to back True Self/Santa Ana Lane(Darley Classic)@ $4.40 @thefalcon




    Bit like watching the Faiders 8-X

    Raiders should be premiers. SAL just seems to have a racing pattern that is gonna cost it more races than it wins-no value any longer. Nature Strip running first half of race in 36sec, home in 33 something...never gonna get beat

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  • savethegamesavethegame    1,807 posts
    Nature strip,would have been giggling at the 600 today running  it in 36. 16.60m/ per second run.....Compared to the Everest when he was on a mission first to bust redzel open he ran his first 600 in the Everest  33.82. first 1000m. in  55.88. 17.89m/ metres a second-----while stablemate yes yes yes smoking,-----when these big stables have multiple runners have to proceed with caution,

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  • goosegoose    1,571 posts
    Yer agreed the everest is starting to leave a bit of a bad taste in the mouth. Would be something to see Nature Strip in the Winterbottom Stks would love Ascot you would think he is in the markets while he is flying like this they should keep going.
    Not sure he will repeat this career best form next campaign will see.
  • PCPC    1,654 posts
    Timeform Ratings and article Courtesy of Adam Blencowe from Racing and Sports.

    Timeform Recap - Cup Week 2019

    By: Adam Blencowe Time published 2019-11-11 at09:42 AM (GMT +11:00)

    Timeform recap all four days of the 2019 Melbourne Cup Carnival from Flemington.

    After four days and 487 runners (down from 507 runners last year but bang in line with 2017) another Melbourne Cup Carnival is in the books.

    Much of the talk through the week was about things off the track being down - crowds, viewers, turnover - and on the track those 487 posted a median performance of 94, down on last year's 96.25.

    It wasn't all down however. Nine horses ran to a Timeform rating of 120 or higher across the four days which is up on recent averages and better than the last couple of years which saw seven runners hit that level.

    Last year's carnival was above recent averages on the back of a strong top-end talent. 31 horses ran to 115 or higher in 2018 and 2019 went as close as possible to matching that feat with 30 hitting the mark.

    This top end talent is perhaps best viewed broken down by distances and we will start with the category that the week is all about.

    STAYERS:

    15 of our 30 over 115 came in the stayers category where the biggest prize of all, The Melbourne Cup, was won by Vow And Declare who landed what had long looked an unlikely win for the home team.

    Vow And Declare only had to match his Caulfield Cup rating of 117 to land the spoils in a muddling race where a bunched finish contained five horses that posted a higher rating than the winner.

    Last year's winner Cross Counter ran to 124 and posted the best staying performance of the week, narrowly ahead of the luckless Il Paradiso who ran to 122 with the start, the middle, and the end all going against him.

    No Cup winner has been rated lower than 117 since Brew (114) back in 2000, and only three times in the last 40 years (all run on soft or heavy ground) has The Cup taken longer than this year's 3:24.76 to run, but Vow And Declare has a much more promising profile and the future should be fairly bright.

    Irish stayers, Downdraft and True Self , beat Carif on consecutive Saturdays, running to 118 and 116 respectively, and perhaps we will see more of them in Australia, but one that we certainly will see more of is Shared Ambition , who ran to 116 when winning the 2800m on Cup Day and continues to look a top prospect down under.

    He didn't have to improve on his Caulfield win to make it five on the bounce, three in Australia, and the speed he showed in his first win in Australia does point to him not needing the longer trip, even if he does stay. The Sydney Cup is reportedly the immediate target, before returning to Flemington at this time next year, but it's not impossible to think that he makes a mark over shorter before then.

    MIDDLE DISTANCE:

    Magic Wand winning the Seppelt Mackinnon Stakes Picture: Racing and Sports

    We'll take middle distance to include the three 1800m races with the four run over 2000m of which the Mackinnon was far and away the strongest.

    The Mackinnon was won by the globe-trotting Magic Wand , who camped on an even tempo that played into the hands of those closest to it. She camped on both an even tempo and a brave, swan-songing Hartnell, who has lost a couple of lengths but none of his will and succeeded in posting the best middle-distance rating of the week at 122.

    Magic Wand, in receipt of 2kgs, ran to 119, matching the rating that she brought down under, while Melody Belle looks an unlucky loser judged by the sectionals, powering home from too far back to run to 117, a pound shy of her Empire Rose-winning mark from seven days earlier. It's easy to think that a career best was in the offing had things gone her way.

    For the fourth-placed Life Less Ordinary it was a new career peak and he did it closing strongly as well. It's amazing to think that Life Less Ordinary has run five times in Cup Week over the last three years. Perhaps more amazing is that he has posted a new career peak in all three years. Last year he did it when running to 116 finishing second in the Cup Day Plate, a race won this year by stablemate Yulong Prince.

    Yulong Prince was a 112-rated Group One winner in South Africa under the name Surcharge, but posted his best effort to date when running to 115 in the Cup Day Plate.

    MILERS:

    Four ran to a mark of 115 or higher over the mile for the week, and all of them came on the opening day. Fierce Impact ,Fifty Stars and Melody Belle all ran to 118 while three-year-old Dalasan got back on track running to 115 winning the Carbine Club.

    Back on track, but still below the level that Super Seth reached in the Caulfield Guineas which has worked out well enough to this point. From the Guineas, as it stands now, Super Seth (118) and Alligator Blood (117) are still seen as the top two, but Dalasan and Kubrick, rated as the best two going into the Guineas, have bounced back to 115 and 114 with subsequent wins, and the best closer (away from the winner) Soul Patch has run to 113 winning the Vase. There's a bit more meat on the bones now.

    SPRINTERS:

    There is no issue with meat on the bones of the three-year-olds in the sprinting division. The Coolmore was electric this year with Exceedance delivering on the promise that he has shown from the outset by gunning down the high-class Bivouac in a race that was underpinned by the week's best timefigure - by a long way!

    Exceedance is now rated 125 and that time hints at there being potentially more to come. He sits equal with the Everest winner Yes Yes Yes and a pound to the good of Bivouac and Castelvecchio atop a warm-looking crop of three-year-olds heading towards the season's halfway mark.

    Libertini ran to 114 in third. She has been unable to go on with the blistering 115 rating that she produced first up but the rain around probably played into the hands of the two that beat her home in the Coolmore. She likely would have preferred a race in 1:08 and change rather than the best part of 1:10 where the emphasis starts to flick from speed to strength.

    Libertini currently sits behind Funstar (rated 117) and Loving Gaby (116) in the three-year-old fillies rankings but she may still have something to say about that before season's end. Like the colts, they are a hot group.

    Loving Gaby was lucky enough to witness the highest rated performance of the week first hand, chasing gamely into a distant second while Nature Strip (now rated 128) found a perfect scenario to use his speed - and he doesn't need to be asked twice.

    A steady early section in the VRC Classic compromised the overall time on a windy day at Flemington, but a steady early pace would also compromise the final margin - we'd all finish closer to Usain Bolt over 20m than over 200m.

    This only adds merit to the final margin of 3.3 lengths - a winning margin bettered once in the 40 preceeding years by Black Caviar in 2010 and she was 'on' that day. So 'on' in fact, that she produced one of the best timefigures this bright-eyed young analyst ever did see.

    Of course, the race was run under handicap conditions up until 2007 and so margins would have been tighter back in the day, but even focusing just on the 12 weight-for-age Classic's before Saturday the average winning margin has been just one length and Black Caviar remains the only horse to win it by further than Nature Strip.

    The Classic returned the second fastest timefigure of the week despite that early split which speaks to how quickly Nature Strip picked up off the rolling start.

    A rating of 128 is the best produced in Australia this season and will take some beating before season's end. It matches Santa Ana Lane's rating from the TJ Smith earlier in the calendar year and sees them as the best two horses in training in Australia at present.

    For the sake of trivia, the best final 600m of the week belonged to Soothing who bettered Nature Strip and Loving Gaby's close with a 32.78 second burst to win the Century Stakes over 1000m.

    Soothing ran to 114 and just missed the 30 over 115 group. Also high on the week's final 600m list is the two-year-old Tagaloa who zipped home in 33.39 (sixth quickest for the week) to finish third in the Maribyrnong Plate.

    Of course, differing conditions and race distances make this fairly meaningless but we'll take this little fun fact as a hint that Tagaloa has talent and is one of the horses to follow out of the week.
  • SKIDSSKIDS    913 posts
    All Jeed Up, first up in Race 2 at Doomben today.
    Has had 2 jumpouts (650m & 950m) and we're hoping for a good run.
    If he can keep his mind on the job, he's a sniff at 20's.
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,210 posts
    Did not look comfortable at any stage of that race. Hope all is ok
  • spinkingspinking    2,770 posts
    Well done Stephen Baster last ride in a race and a winner. 14 group ones nothing to sneeze at . Good luck with whatever you do after a life in the saddle
  • detonatordetonator    2,226 posts
    spinking said:

    Well done Stephen Baster last ride in a race and a winner. 14 group ones nothing to sneeze at . Good luck with whatever you do after a life in the saddle


    Starts work Monday with a real estate company on the Mornington Peninsula.
    That smile should get him a few sales I reckon.
  • savethegamesavethegame    1,807 posts
    Stephen Baster, never seen him ,not smile, the tip is the reason he retired, is due to other circumstances.-----time will tell. 
  • detonatordetonator    2,226 posts

    Stephen Baster, never seen him ,not smile, the tip is the reason he retired, is due to other circumstances.-----time will tell. 


    Any hints ??
  • tonytony    1,965 posts
    Maybe an altercaion between him and another from last Saturday might be relevant,
  • FlandersFlanders    619 posts
    detonator said:

    Stephen Baster, never seen him ,not smile, the tip is the reason he retired, is due to other circumstances.-----time will tell. 


    Any hints ??

    Yes i heard he was spending precious time with some bird other than his wife and things got complicated. Can't remember the exact details tho... i had had a couple of coldies by that stage of the night!
  • SKIDSSKIDS    913 posts
    H-BOMBER said:

    Did not look comfortable at any stage of that race. Hope all is ok




    Having a throat op tomorrow, thought he might have pinched a win before the inevitable op.

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  • savethegamesavethegame    1,807 posts
    Phoenix thoroughbreds founder Salman making whyte look like a battler ---alleged, in the stealing of 100mil. they have 300 horses including breeding stock on five continents  with 27 trainers-----loving gaby-----shares in exceedance,tavisan.
  • SKIDSSKIDS    913 posts
    All Jeed Up back in work after the successful throat operation in November. Was pretty bad according to the vet. If he can run like he did in 'spurts' before, he should go ok I reckon.

    Mark is taking one to the Sunny Coast today, FOMO. At 25/1 and with a great first up record, has to be worth a dabble.

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    12,497 posts
    Dean Yendal might be in some trouble after his ride on Scales of Justice last night? Forced a run, pushing the tiring Ashlor out into the path of Manuel... who fell and was put down. 
    You like to see them taking runs and giving their horses the best chance.. but if I owned Manuel I'd be livid. 

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  • ManchildManchild    241 posts
    the Head on will be interesting 
  • therealkramertherealkramer    7,658 posts
    edited January 25
    TheDiva said:

    Dean Yendal might be in some trouble after his ride on Scales of Justice last night? Forced a run, pushing the tiring Ashlor out into the path of Manuel... who fell and was put down. 

    You like to see them taking runs and giving their horses the best chance.. but if I owned Manuel I'd be livid. 
    I was on Hey Doc and I have no issue with the ride. Ashlor had the position which Begood Toya Mother(a G1 winner) probably coveted, so it was no surprise that the former folded up so meekly
  • therealkramertherealkramer    7,658 posts
    Manchild said:

    the Head on will be interesting 

    A  G1 jockey takes that run 10/10 times.
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