More Sire Talk.Breeding

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Just reported mahuta to stand in WA

DamienWyer

Awesome Rock would be the best credentialed Stallion to debut in WA in many years. Between him, Trade Fair and Demerit, the future is bright for WA Breeding going forward. Of course Blackfriars still is the benchmark for WA, and hopefully he still has several seasons before retirement.

Sons of Flying Spur have been hard to catch. Magnus is the best of them, Casino Prince a distant second ( and I wouldn't send a mare to him for a bet) but the rest have been flops.

RIO

Hi @DamienWyer whats the buzz about Demerit. 1 stakes winner from the first 5 years in the market.

Flying Peg had 3 stakes winners in the same time and was described by many (not by me) as a terrible flop.

So what makes Demerit a stallion that makes the future for breeding in WA bright, while Flying Peg was a stallion that wasn't???

DamienWyer

Steve Wolfe 6 out of 8 have won. Jim Taylor 4 out of 5, Simon Miller 2 out of 3. Now I'm the first to admit, and have been in recent weeks, talking about his lack of Saturday or better winners, but his baseline of winners is getting better with each season. He does have a lean season approaching due to not serving that season due to injury, but he does have close to a 50% strike rate in the current and previous season. Commercially his Feb stock is well received by buyers and that's off the back of not really outstanding mares.

So for all of the above, I think he has upside. In commercial terms, Awesome Rock would be the only first season stallion I would personally want to cover my mares if I was a breeder (non Danehill line) as he ticks every box.

RIO

Thanks Damo...fair call, with the good upside comment. But he needs to get regular city winners first.

I would've thought if you were looking ahead at sires to push our mares along a sire like Snippetson would be very close to the top of the list.

MinesACorona

Doesn't Geisel parks now bloke deserve a mention Damo?
Surely as a group 1 winning 2yo and after the job his old man done Vert De Greece has to be up there with the top rated?

Interesting hearing Eddie Rigg on Tab radio speak on the prospect of Awesome Rock and Vert de greece potentially shuttling?

DamienWyer

MinesACorona said:

Doesn't Geisel parks now bloke deserve a mention Damo?
Surely as a group 1 winning 2yo and after the job his old man done Vert De Greece has to be up there with the top rated?

Interesting hearing Eddie Rigg on Tab radio speak on the prospect of Awesome Rock and Vert de greece potentially shuttling?

If anyone asks me for his suitability with their mare I will assess him at that time. I didn't know Eddie was standing the stallion, somehow I thought he was going somewhere else.

When he was announced as coming here, as I hadn't heard of him until then, I watched all his Irish races to try and get a feel for the horse. In his maiden where he ran second, the fourth horse home was Gleneagles, a Galileo entire from the Coolmore/O'Brien factory. Now if we were talking about him I would be more excited. He won 7 of his next 8 races, including a Gr 3, Gr 2 and 4 Gr 1's. He failed at Ascot when favourite, then had a crack in the States floundering against the freak American Pharoah. At Ascot he ran into Solow, he was not half bad either. He won 13 of 16 including 5 Gr 1's at Ascot, Goodwood, Meydan and Chantilly.

DamienWyer

jum said:

DamienWyer said:

DamienWyer said:

Lucky Street (Oratorio) has just been announced as going to Stud for Darling View Thoroughbreds. No mention of fee at this point.

http://www.breednet.com.au/news/132355/lucky-street-retires-to-darling-view-thoroughbreds

Announced at $5,500 according to this interview

might get 5 or 6 to him at that price
:-??

Thought I would update

Last five seasons at stud since standing, mares covered 40, 34, 23, 13,3

DamienWyer

DamienWyer said:

Rebel Dane has been announced as going to stud at Swettenham following on this trend of winning races as the qualifications of standing at stud even though you come from a non performing family and were simply just the freakish one.

The exception to the rule having thrown a Golden Slipper winner. Expectations are for a full book this coming season

DamienWyer

DamienWyer said:

Duplications buried 4 and five generations in a mare line should be of almost no consequence. Northern Dancer doesn't have an issue for me say as compared to duplications of Danzig and Danehill.

To answer your question, but also to give you the best chance of getting something that can run, go to Gingerbread Man.

his numbers have grown in mares covered from 28, 20 to now 76, 65 with a total of 6 black type winners all here in WA

DamienWyer

DamienWyer said:

There is no confidence in our breeding ranks to get commitment to a high priced first season stallion prospect. If there was, Awesome Rock would stand here in 2017. But multi million dollar prospects stay in the East as we don't have mare owners who this year are prepared to spend $15-20k on a service fee.

I have been a vocal supporter of Awesome Rock even prior to his standing here at Gold Front. He has been a very good stallion to be retained when his hopes of standing in the East were dashed by a lack of enthusiasm.

numbers have been only fair at 65, 63, 41, 35, 38 in the past five seasons, but they should by rights improve this year as he is second to Rommel (genuine nice surprise he has connected so well) as second season sires