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Chopchop43

Markovina said:

Chopchop43 said:

Markovina said:

Re the Standing starts - i have made my view clear on them 

Apart from disliking them - what me pissses me off totally is different states have these imbecile methods of starting them - Vic and SA have tried circling them on the infield - it is real hit and miss stufff - and you see horses  just  stand their and then turn and pole axe other runners 

Years back the starter use to yell out - stand them up - and that meant  its a start 

Waiting for race 7 at AP because i had a bet in it  - I watched the start of the 1st 3 races at AP today - and they were all standing start Trotting gait races 

2 things i noticed - 1 was by accident `- because there were quite a few runners either ODS or RODS - but there were some nice gaps between those horses , and as a result every horse stepped in those 3 races - so maybe even if there isnt ods horses -  have some nice  gaps between them - because then the horses are nice and relaxed and there is a good chance they will step - and every Trotter in those 3 races stepped today 

Race 3 at AP (the replay on the AHR site - its got the best angle ) that is a classic - magnificent standing start - the starter would get 100 out of 100 - none of this hillbilly State method nonsense - circling or whatever - he instead he held them their in a nice line and then released them

If Trotting wasnt so amateurish and really so lazy - the video of race 3 at AP today would be sent to every starter around Aust - and told thats how  you start Pacers and Trotters in standing start races

the only thing I'll say to that is this, for them to stand there in a perfectly straight line and allow for a start like that your relying on every horse being on its best behaviour and that just doesn't happen, it's an artform standing start racing both from a driver's perspective and the horses perspective, your very rarely going to see a perfect dispatch even the best drivers and best standing start horses are going to have the off day and miss the kick, you can send as many videos around to the drivers about how to step one but there are so many factors in allowing for a perfect start which are out of the control of drivers at release

You never properly read what  other posters posts 

I said the system they use in different states - the Qld method where all horses stepped is a proper legit system - a proper " standing " start - thats why i gave the Qld starter 100 out of 100 - and race 3 is a brilliant example

You point out the bleeding obvious its very difficult to get them all to stand and step - that is why i dont waste my money on them 

Its all about the system - go to GP last Friday - 2 standing starts - the pacers one - very small field an absolute shocker - total farce

But the Trotters - thats an illegal start in my opinion - this circleing rubbish - watch the no 1 horse - the pole horse in the yellow colours who led - it was the last 1 to circle - at no point is it stationary like the others - its on the move - that is a massive help for a horse to step - and in my opinion an unfair start 

Queensland have a proper standing start system

no trust me I do read what you say really carefully and some times it's down right painful, but what I was trying to point out is it doesn't matter what system of letting the horses go it is always going to be hit and miss, race 3 at ap I hardly call perfect the horse on the outside of the front row was clearly on the back foot and barely got away to the point where it ended up behind the pack to the inside of it that did step, starters are under pressure to let the horses go as quickly as possible otherwise you get punted to sky2 half the time I think that could have a little bit to do with it being a bit hurried sometimes, but the overall point is standing starts are always going to be an imperfect system and I for one enjoy standing start racing and the unpredictability of it

Markovina

You want to know why they call the Trots the Red Trots - and by the way Ben Yole - who has been thrown under the bus by everyone - he didnt do this type of stuff re team driving - and of course he had stacks of multiple runners in many races

The last race at Young race 8 - Tuesday night

Matt Rue has got 2 horses in it - hes on the number at $1.50 - the stablemate in gate 5 - its $6 - and the reason for those prices - apart from their overrall form card - is the previous  start they clashed - the no 1 had gate 1 again - it had its ears driven off for half a lap  to keep the lead but just couldnt - still ran a top 2nd in a slick rate - the stablemate sat in the breeze and dropped right out - last - beaten 50 metres

So what happens at Young an 800 metre leaders track with no sprint lane - at release Rue has 1 sneaky look to the right - then a 2nd a 3rd a 4th and a 5th - just lets the stablemate amble to  the lead and it won - that massively helped the stablemates chances of winning  - it breezed last start got beaten 50 metres - and the 1 horse  was hunted for half a lap to keep the lead . There is no chance in hell he would have handed up if it wasnt a stablemate - that is team driving in my opinion and surely in the punters interests they should have queried the driving tactics

Moonraker

congrats Marko.... you've made it to the big league...

Markovina

Im knocking around with flash company at the moment at the moment - rubbing shoulders with Peter Profit- hah

 

And by the way Moonraker - id dont troll through Peter Profits stuff - but you obviously do -

Moonraker

Correct Marko, when you were threatening to pull up stumps, I thought i'd better head over there to get a daily dose of drivel.

Markovina

I tell you what Moonraker - given what Peter Profit says basically on a daily basis 

If that guy does happen to own a house or he has got any decent/reasonable amount of Tangible Assets - then surely he has got them wrapped up in some complex  untouchable International Trust structure , set up by some dodgy Chartered Tax Accountant based in the Isle of Man

Because then , no matter he says - and he does say plenty , then they cant touch one penny of his Tangible Assets  

Moonraker

I tell you what Marko - for a self proclaimed non reader, you sure have a good grasp of what he posts.

Markovina

Moonraker said:

I tell you what Marko - for a self proclaimed non reader, you sure have a good grasp of what he posts.

FYI - i wouldnt even know where his site is - got no interest in it at all  

But MR - what i find quite humorous - in fact very humorous 

Is any poster who has a go at me - the same ones allways give it a quick like 

They are like Blow Flies who are instantly attracted to fresh Cow Shitt

savethegame

Who originally tabled the idea for the changes at G P . must've come up at committee meeting,?

JayJay

The MRC has a different perspective on partial sell offs, unlike the GPHRC Committee and Management. Two different venues without question, but two different approaches.

"The impact of a partial sale versus an overall evaluation on what we
think the Sandown precinct could be worth, has an impact of about $300
million. So the materiality of going partial rather than exploring
either a full rezoning process for Sandown and/or keeping Sandown as it
currently stands is just material.

"It's $300 million, and a big
part of that is there's some heritage overlays attached to the
grandstand, moving a lot of the racing infrastructure to the inside of
the racetrack and taking away the motorsport facility just has a
financial impact on the overall component of the club. So right now we
feel that that's just not an option we want to explore."

Some are saying that GP is "selling half the farm" for a song and the membership have been taken for a ride? Time will tell if and when the redevelopment occurs.

Moonraker

Markovina said:

Moonraker said:

I tell you what Marko - for a self proclaimed non reader, you sure have a good grasp of what he posts.

FYI - i wouldnt even know where his site is - got no interest in it at all  

But MR - what i find quite humorous - in fact very humorous 

Is any poster who has a go at me - the same ones allways give it a quick like 

They are like Blow Flies who are instantly attracted to fresh Cow Shitt

so you dont read his site? meaning your original comments were uninformed baseless views?

Very unlike you Marko!!

savethegame

So what is G.P. valued at whole lot? 80mil,

Markovina

savethegame said:

So what is G.P. valued at whole lot? 80mil,

No matter your view re the track size GP 

The process they have gone through or more like lack of - getting different valuations from valuers re the whole sale like say Rosehill Racecourse etc and making everything public which with GP they havent 

Who is that Liberal Party fanatic - Paul Murray is it - in the West Australian - on Saturdays -ive given up reading it  because its just so much one sided stuff - but he doesnt hold back and everyone is fair game to a degree

Its just a pity he isnt a Trots bloke  - because he would pull to bits this GP Revelopment ,like Don Scott pulled that fake Melbourne Hawks jumper to bits 

JayJay

savethegame said:

So what is G.P. valued at whole lot? 80mil,

Regardless of what it is worth, the fly in the ointment as far as the Industry  (and RWWA for that matter) is concerned is that it is privately owned. RWWA don't own it, the members do and even if it were sold for say $80 million or whatever, there is no compunction to spend the proceeds on the Industry, be it a new metro track or development of Pinjarra or whatever.

The only thing RWWA controls is Racing dates and if they withdrew them, then it would be a replay of the Harvey situation....it could sit there idol or be sold off with the membership to decide what to do with the cash?

Markovina

" Its privately owned - the members own it " 

Well for example - say the govt ( similiar to AP but not the same ) and an Olympics is coming up - and the WA  Govt say to the GP Club -  and (i dont know the articles of association )  we need that site - heres a 100 million - the members agree to it

Thus who gets the $100 million ? - the 300 members dont divide it amongst themselves - otherwise people would be lining up left right and centre to become a member

JayJay

In the bylaws of the WATA (trading as GP Harness Racing Club), it states that in the event of the Association being dissolved after due process (2/3d's majority vote over successive meetings etc etc), "the assets of the Association shall be dealt with as the Supreme Court may direct".

savethegame

What was the correct story regard Richmond Raceway closure. One part weren't they going to almagmate with Pinjarra Club. WATA,was up in arms they ended up at G.P. Theres Money in a trust can't be touched until 2036. They operated 12 meetings a year as F T .C. with x amount own stakes in put plus money from RWWA. So anyone know regards the 2036 money?

Gilgamesh

R1 Albury today definitely one for the Peter Profit or Marko's Mischief file.

Outisder certainly made sure the leader had nothing left.

Markovina

Gilgamesh said:

R1 Albury today definitely one for the Peter Profit or Marko's Mischief file.

Outisder certainly made sure the leader had nothing left.

Its just past 9pm - just got home - as per norm - going through all my bets - only watched a couple so far - and i have started off at Albury - i did notice race 1 - but Gilga if we were playing poker and its the jackpot last round for the night - youve got 4 Aces - but unfortunately  ive got a Royal Routine - as in race 2 at Albury - and i did back the winner -  e/w - liked its trial form and times 

However i would go as far as saying it is a disgraceful ( re tactics ) winning drive - an absolute total  joke - i have no idea what in hell  what she was doing from the 550 to the 100 metre - apart from driving the people  utterly crazy who backed it at the nice odds 

Apparently punters are shying away fronm the Trots - well if you watch this drive - its not hard to work out why - and this blooody thing won - should have won by half a lap but won by half a head 

Markovina

Albany tonight - had a reasonable look at it re form and replays 

Two e/w bets for me tonight

Race 1 - no  5 Switch Blade @ $4.20 - did run 2nd to fave in trial and was a very good run - even if  it sits outside the fave tonight i still think it can beat it

The other bet - i never thought id see the day that id back this horse but i have tonight - in its right race - being Race 6 - no 5  Swanbourne Spunk @ $7.50 - 2 starts back 6th at Pinj over 2100 beaten 30 metres  in 1.56.8 - showed very good gate speed to lead  easily before handing up . Thats the key tonight - going back would be crazy - use that gate speed have a shot for the lead and given how weak the field is - the breeze wouldnt be the end of the world

Gilgamesh

R2 No8 American Monarch is flying, at the price you can have a 40/60 type bet and just be needing that gap to come early enough and he will flood home.

R3 No4 Tinseltown is desperate to win a race. I'm not sure how it wins tonoight but with just an ounce of luck it will be in the finish.

R5 No7 Beyond Bling. Another one that is just going to need that touch of luck over the final lap but if it gets it we will be rattling home, Joseph was a cracking drive on Thompson Bay last night, just needs to channel that energy.

Markovina

Cranbourne Pacing Cup tonight- Leap to Fame $1.10 - however i think  J Grimsons horse Cya Art $13 is a chance - could  lead all the way on a screaming peg dominated track 

Interesting thing with that trainer - this time last year - he won back to back Bendigo Gold Cup - and Cranbourne Cups with Major Meister  pocketing 100k in stakes with basically with its 1st 2 starts for him - 1.56 mile rates for 13 furlongs they are strong mile  rates 

Then a few runs later it left his stable - had a few trainers since - but i noticed during the week looking at the Mildura form ( where it ran ) that it recently won its only race since its Bendigo Cup Triumph - and this breakthrough victory is not to be sneezed at- at all - you will never guess where - a Broken  Hill Non Tabber meeting - pocketed a very handy $2100 and didnt even start favourite - hah

savethegame

Race 6 - no 5  Swanbourne Spunk @ $7.50 - 2 starts back 6th at Pinj over 2100 beaten 30 metres  in 1.56.8 - showed very good gate speed to lead  easily before handing up . Thats the key tonight - going back would be crazy - use that gate speed have a shot for the lead and given how weak the field is - the breeze wouldnt be the end of the world

Well done Marko and to orchestra a blue print for horse with 3wins from 79 starts, 0 from 13 starts track , Driver hesitated when three deep to his credit kept going forward never in doubt with 15m to spare at the judge .

Markovina

savethegame said:

Race 6 - no 5  Swanbourne Spunk @ $7.50 - 2 starts back 6th at Pinj over 2100 beaten 30 metres  in 1.56.8 - showed very good gate speed to lead  easily before handing up . Thats the key tonight - going back would be crazy - use that gate speed have a shot for the lead and given how weak the field is - the breeze wouldnt be the end of the world

Well done Marko and to orchestra a blue print for horse with 3wins from 79 starts, 0 from 13 starts track , Driver hesitated when three deep to his credit kept going forward never in doubt with 15m to spare at the judge .

I just want to give my view/comment re SS purely from a handicapping perspective

If that horse was in Vic at present - it would win another 3-4 races pretty quickly or be placed in them anyway - because there are so many more options for it on a weekly basis for it 

Ben Yole was the master of placing horses - re  set up a satellite stable in Kilmore - brought over  ageing horses who were on their knees in Tassie - and he literally picked the eyes out of the low class 4.5k races 

And what Victoria do - even at their premier tracks like Ballarat - Kilmore - Shepparton - Geelong - Bendigo - is they will run 10 race cards - and races 9 and 10 - are back - back  4.5k races for low class horses ie NR 35-40 - you know a horse like Pinnacle Hope of Tayla French - goes around every weeek and has a chance to earn 

So what i would do with both Pinj and Bunbury - who basically hold a meeting every week - you look at Pinj today 9 races of 9k each - id scrub one of them - and hold a 10 race card - with both races 9 and 10 being 4.5k races 

So instantly you have 4 races per week for lower class horses - where they can keeping earning and have a chance to win - they dont have to wait for Kell/Wagin/Williams etc 

And if they did that there would be good pools on race 9 and 10 - because punters will bet on basically ants crawling up the wall - i gave the example a couple of years back - where there was more in the pool for a lowly Trot race at Leeton - than there was in the 1st heat of the NSW Derby

Markovina

GP tonight - and unfortunately it is a graveyard totally unfair track so i very rarely bet their 

However i must say ive  got a tiny bit of confidence  in one tonight and thats Race 5 number 9 The Watchmaker @ $15 

Needs to run  up to its last start 2nd breezing 1.56.5  and a pair of 28s coming home - its a bit one paced - somehow needs to get  the breeze spot fom gate 9 ! 

The other reason the fave $1.22 - well i think Webster got rid of it because it was so dissappointing in Vic  - and its 2nd run ( of 3) over here was an absolute shocker where it just gave up - and thats what it did for Webster a few times 

If you like something in the race - even Fleur Du Maquis some chance because of the draw - then its a good race to bet in - because i dont rate the fave at all - and only a problem gambler would back it at $1.22

Moonraker

a day out for punters yesterday - 8 odds on favourites, 7 of which got beat.

Gilgamesh

Fact Finder $3.10 today thanks for coming.

Has QLD Derby written all over him.

Markovina

Gilgamesh said:

Fact Finder $3.10 today thanks for coming.

Has QLD Derby written all over him.

Your pretty quick off the mark Gilga - they have just crossed the finishing line !!!!

Yeah there was $3 freely available - and the others were basically milers jumping up to 2100 - so it was a good price

And  it was very impressive - broke 28 last 2 qtrs doing it tough - i like its confirmation and how it roared up the straight - dead straight - no wobble at all after a tough run

Markovina

Got a  little bit of interest in WA Trots again - jagged the tri - 1.5 times in race 2 at GP  - and  actually had those 3 boxed with 4 other runners for 4th in the 1st 4 - left out the fave but unfortunately also left out Illawong Awesome - and it did pay 20k , nevermind 

And wasnt it beautiful that Ritchie got 3rd and 4th in the wrong order - because that meant i collected - hah . Chris Barsby in Qld , there can be 1/16th of an inch between them and he will pick it every time 

So moving onto Pinjarra today , 9 race card , well any decent form analyst , there is 4 of those 1100 races , plus 2 standing starts , so theres 6 races we dont bet on , plus a 2 yr old race ( not bagging the 2yr olds ) but they only have had 1 start each so got no interest in that 

That leaves 2 races to bet on  -Race 6 im quite keen on Ima Tiny Dancer - no 7 e/w  @4.20, got 1st class form , i just hope its driven in an aggresive manner like the breeze 

And the fave at $1.45 , i didnt like how it hit the line - in its last race - re the final 60-70 metres , thus i think it is beatable

JayJay

Shockwave retired.Lit up the track when at his peak.