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It was a popular bet type - Village Kid to win and Morgan James the place.
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That horse was amazing..kept on trucking. Win after win there for awhile.
Poor old Rhetts Law nobody seems to like him - a bit like when Shane Woewodin won the Brownlow Medal ( although i thought Woewodin was an excellent footballer ).
One thing with Rhetts Law and Woewodin you can't take it off them they both won their respective titles fair and square!
Didn't like Rhetts Law in the heats and didn't like him in the final - it's remarkable how many people have met along the journey who have said the same thing.
Somebody must have backed him! He's an Interdominion winner and we can't take that away from him.
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Have heard Fred Kersley speak about him a couple of times and he put him right up near the top - he was lavish in his praise for the Prince.
Westburn Grant should not be put in the same street - suburb as Popular Alm - some of Westburn Grants big wins were as soft as butter - namely when B Gath handed up the lead to him on Franco Ice . Westburn Grant a suspect " Champion "
Rhetts Law and Thorate if you dont mind please - i saw alot of Thorates wins - a tremendous horse with an electrifying turn of speed - where as Rhetts Law was a bloody cat - who won an Inter Dom final under stand start conditions off the front row on a 700 metre track - dear of dear oh me - as i pick myself off the floor
And i will save the best for last - and this will put plenty of noses out of joint ( and i couldnt care less ) - San Simeon was the most overated pacer of all time - wouldnt have it in the top 30 or 40 .It won the wekest weakest weakest weakest weakest - Inter Dom final on record - down in Tassie - Neville Gath - had a 3rd string scrubber which ran 2nd to it . Michael Frost who was tough and honest ( but hardly a top liner - showed in the heats what a cream puff " Champion " that San Simeon was
Nobody has any praise for Rhetts Law including me...however they don't give Interdominion final wins away at Coles.
JJ says the least likely horse to be crowned an Interdominion winner - agree!
You've mentioned it before JJ but what was Rhetts Law record like after the Interdominion Final - he may have won just a few more races - don't think it was too many but handy enough.
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Popular Alm if not the greatest pacer of all time - i had him equal with ImThe Mighty Quinn
You dont rate Popular Alm - where as most people would have him 1 or 2 .
San Simeon doesnt belong in the same discussion as Popular Alm
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Of course the Quinn did his early racing in NZ. Hall took him to another level or two. Three of the best Interdominion wins you could ever wish to see in NZ, NSW and WA. At Menangle at the bell thought this horse can't possibly win. Sensational he was.
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62 starts 49 wins 7 2nds and 3 3rds - only unplaced 3 times
Correct me if i am wrong - but i thought it only had 4 WA runs - being Rhetts Law Interdom carnival
It demolished them in the 1st heat - but then the horse had a problem from the stands - so much so that in the final - they requested to be made out of the draw in the final . Also prior to it coming - either it or Gammalite was sick - they couldnt get a flight - then they could - it was so uncertain that Leo Occonnor pulled the pin with Gammalite
Interesting radio interview i heard with Darren Binskin - who was Vin Knights right hand man when he had Poppy . He said that Poppy was a very quiet horse to handle - even though a stallion - however re his arch rival Gammalite . Binskin said although a quiet horse in the stable - he said however when at the races - and in the parade ring - as soon as he saw Gammalite - his ears would prick - and he would try to savage him
Interdominion, Miracle Mile, APC, WA Cups (x2), SA Cup, Queensland Championship, NSW Derby, Victoria Derby...won majors in every state in Australia.
Will not resort to your preferred commentary of pie throwing but I will very respectfully choose to totally disagree.
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1. Pure Steel 2. Mount Eden 3. I'm The Mighty Quinn 4. Village Kid 5. Preux Chevalier 6. Beau Don 7.
Satinover 8. San Simeon 9. Jack Morris 10. The Falcon Strike 11. Frosty
Nelson 12.Binshaw 13. Baltic Eagle 14. Kellett 15. Classic Garry 16.
Dainty's Daughter 17. Dark David 18. Captain Sandy 19. Norms Daughter
20. Royal Force 21. Saab 22. Pacing Lawn 23. Red Vicar 24. Black Irish
25. Chandon 26. Renaud 27. Pacing Lawn 28. Color Glo 29.Blue Pennant 30.
Radiant Oro 31. Mister Karamea 32. James Eden 33. Roscott 34. Wee
Cent 35. Shattering Class 36. Kolworth 37. Pyramus 38.Garry John 39.
Paavo 40. Mr Magical Mach 41. Has The Answers 42. Zakara 43. Whitby
Timer 44. Local Product 45. Mercedes 46. Virgil Queen 47.Admirals Avenue
48. Morgan James 49. Tiara Court 50. Nixon Adios
How do you separate the first 5, or 10 for that matter.
Unlucky
to miss out: Rhetts Law (won an Interdominion but don't know how),
Tricky Vic, Lookslikelightning, Bintravis and Bin Oro, And about 70
others!!!
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Followed by Satinover who caught the imagination. Saw him beat Pure Steel before the match race at GP on his merits. He was a bit different - and in a few stands - he was wild at the start! Haha. Roguish with explosive speed.
San Simeon - what was it 28 wins in a row ? That's either a very good horse or very good placement. Perhaps both but know one thing I've never had 28 winning bets in a row! So am ok with top 6.
After that becomes very subjective - but thought The Falcon Strike if anything was a little underrated - he was a gutsy champ and ok with him at seven.
The rest it's difficult to put in order - just depends upon what you're looking for in a great horse. Record in big races ? Consistency ? Guess there just a couple of things.
You could quite easily have The Mighty Quinn, Zakara, The Falcon Strike and Chicago Bull in top 12. That would give Seinor four of the top twelve.
If My Hard Copy wins the Pacing Cup added to his great record he could easily slot into top twenty.
Yet he had a patch - for whatever reason, where his form was awful. Don't know where history will place him...but let's just see how he goes from here on in. Chicago Bull the same.
I've probably been kind to Gap Road and Rite the two stablemates because had some good wins on them - that can cloud the judgment!
A couple left out from the early days because can only just recall them are Red Vicar and Royal Force. Royal Force was very classy from memory. Indian Chant too - he raced in top company until about 13-14 an effort in itself.
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And its not pie throwing - people are allowed their views - like Bunbury yesterday - every race - 61to 64 sec 1st 800s - last 800s 56-57 seconds - walk them - and dash home - i think Bunbury is bloody shocking - where as i think Albany is very good - McKinley who led and ran 4th at Albany beaten 7 metres - the 1st and 2nd horses stood it up 15-20 metres at the 400 - and comfortably beat it - thats what i call terrific harness racing- not the boring crap they dish up at Bunbury - they could bulldoze that track for all i care - thats my OPINION
And if i was standing in front of the firing squad with my life riding on it - and if it came down to a 2 horse race - as open age pacers ( not 2 or 3 year olds ) then i would want to be on Lincoln Storm not San Simeon - again my opinion
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And yes Norms Daughter - definetly agree there. My Hard Copy nooooooo haha not yet...don't like this saying because everybody says it - but the jury is still out on him.
Shattering Class definetly in my consolation.
But it's interesting to see a top 24 opinion from the 80s onwards.
Beaudiene Boaz lost too much form to warrant top 24 for me. Not too far away though! A possible case for Shattering Class to be top 12. You've been harsh on him VK!!
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Now that is an apt saying that has stood the test of time.
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