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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    Yes I jumped the gun
  • RIORIO    13,959 posts
    Hey @DamienWyer  wyou got any idea wat the serving numbers for 2018 are?? Or where i might get them......Hope the kneee is numb!!!!
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    Studbook will update coverings in the next two weeks, or they usually do at this time of the year. They do a final count in January following each season.

    (Surgery after lunch on Monday by the way)

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After the 22nd Dec meeting

    Interstate bred 115

    WA bred 154 + 7

    Westspeed 27

    Platinum 12

    Non qualified 2

    Stakes winners

    Interstate 18

    WA bred 12 + 1
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 29th December

    Interstate bred 120

    WA bred 157 + 7

    Westspeed 28

    Platinum 13 

    Non qualified 2

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 19

    WA bred 12 + 1
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 5th Jan 2019

    Interstate bred 123

    WA bred 162 + 8

    Westspeed 28

    Platinum 15

    Non qualified 2

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 21

    WA bred 13 + 1

  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 19th January

    Interstate bred 125

    WA bred 168 + 8

    Westspeed 28

    Platinum 16

    Non qualified 2

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 21

    WA bred 14 + 1
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 23rd January

    Interstate bred 128

    WA bred 173 + 8

    Westpeed 29

    Platinum 16

    Non qualified 3

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 21

    WA bred 14 + 1
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 26th January

    Interstate bred 132

    WA bred 176 + 9

    Westspeed 29

    Platinum 18

    Non qualified 3

    all else same

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 30th January

    Interstate bred 135

    WA bred 181 + 9

    all else unchanged
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 2nd Feb

    Interstate bred 136

    WA bred 188 + 9

    Westspeed 30

    Platinum 20

    Non qualified 3

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 21

    WA bred 15 + 1

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 6th Feb

    Interstate bred 139

    WA bred 192 + 9

    Westspeed 33

    remainder unchanged
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
     After 13th Feb

    Interstate bred 143

    WA bred 196 + 9

    Westspeed 37

    remainder unchanged

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 19th Feb

    Interstate bred 147

    WA bred 200 + 9

    Westspeed 39

    Platinum 20

    Non qualified 4

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred

    22

    WA bred 16 + 1

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 23 Feb

    Interstate bred 150

    WA bred 205 + 9

    Westspeed 40

    Platinum 21

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 23

    WA bred 16 + 1

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 27 Feb

    Interstate bred 153

    WA bred 210 + 9

    Westspeed 45

    remainder unchanged
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 2nd March

    Interstate bred 158

    WA bred 213 + 9

    Westspeed 47

    Platinum 21

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 25

    WA bred 16 + 1


  • ManchildManchild    126 posts
    2nd of  March 2022 

    Interstate Bred  290

    WA Bred     23

    Westspeed 3
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    These numbers include Wednesdays, if they didn't it would be very lob sided in favor of Interstate bred horses. Westspeed will survive though as the rules surrounding a WA Breeder sending a mare East, sometimes permanently, allow that offspring to be nominated.

    But the WA Breeding Industry is rapidly becoming a boutique locality.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 9th March

    Interstate bred 160

    WA bred 219 + 9

    Westspeed 47

    Platinum 22

    Non qualified 5

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 25

    WA bred 17 + 1
  • RIORIO    13,959 posts
    Highlighting beautifully how well Westspeed is working...hahahaha
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    RIO said:

    Highlighting beautifully how well Westspeed is working...hahahaha



    A huge number of those Westspeed winners were Interstate bred as well. Platinum is always going to be low as it is a Saturday clause and only for 2 & 3yo's. Westspeed can be maiden wins and 4yo over 1800M in those 47 winners as well.

    It's a genuine concern that a number of WA Trainers continue to shop Interstate for non qualified bonus runners. The average Platinum nominated Universal Ruler or Safeguard wins twice and those 'cheapies' in Sydney need to win four to five Saturday's just to keep pace in stakes earned.

    With the loss of Touchstone Farm to the Industry and maybe a couple more in the year ahead if they were being brutal in their own assessments, and we are going to be looking very much like a cottage industry along the lines of Tasmania.

    For the life of me I don't understand how RWWA and the WATBA cannot be seeking feedback from a wide range of parties as to what is happening.
  • RIORIO    13,959 posts
    edited March 12
    Howdy Damo...I think we are on here talking to ourselves, but just to put it on the public record. The WATBA is fully supportive of Westspeed bonus system as it is....

    Obviously another RWWA dominated and driven industry group to ensure that we fall to a small industry ran on one Metro and a couple of country tracks.

    In a few years RWWA will be sprouting off about how they have the lowest cost of any state to run their racing campaigns. Of course there will only be 100 race meets a year and about 700 horses running around...But we'll have reduced cost significantly and increased stakes by 10%......Reckon that will be their marketing scream. All income will come from east coast betting on their low grade Saturday racing and even less interest from the industry than what there is in this thread!!!!
  • RIORIO    13,959 posts
    I read about Vaughan and his bad run of non placers. But scroll through the CRIS site and you see that he has just about no horses to race!!! THIS is the exact situation that RWWA has made with the use of Westspeed for horses bred to non WA bulls and out of the state.

    There aren't enough horses around. When we had heaps of second rate bulls,and horses going for 10-30k, owners could afford to take a chance on 2 or 3 and see what happens.

    In the past 3-4 years with the heavy reliance on MM Sales and the Big push to get Westspeed bonus' to make a profit, the local bulls have been cut out of the day 1 sales. So to buy at a day 1 sale you have to pay that 50-100k to get into the expected good ones. So some people only get into 1........and if that 1 is a dud... those owners don't come back and the trainer is left with no horses to train

    So RWWA have to seriously get Westspeed back to what it was meant to do. Support the local breeding industry. If people want to send their mares to the best bulls in the country then chase the riches elsewhere. Will the WA quality of horses improve in this manner NO. Will the racing industry be better off...YES

    There is no value in having horses that can regularly do well on the east coast from here...if ther are no trainers, strappers, or RACE CLUBS left her to allow them to race....

    I've been told that those in charge of Westspeed have just agreed to not change it for another 12 months.. Does anyone knwo who i ring to find this out for sure...Is it RWWA?? If so who??

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    Perhaps they are just offering surety to the Breeding Industry which needs a lengthy lead time for any change. For instance if you were to drop Interstate Stallions from the scheme, that would need a minimum four year implementation time as Breeders would be booking mares that if you made the changes any earlier, those yearlings would have some sort of ineligible status going to a sale.
  • RIORIO    13,959 posts
    Agree.

    So do you wait - you say 4, i say 3 years - and let the industry suffer??
    OR
    Do you change it immediately (from January 1, 2020)so that he impact can be felt here in horse numbers within 3 years,and those who can afford to breed to the better quality bulls can still do it, and just get horses to win the big prize-money without the Westspeed top up???
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    I just don't think there is a will to make substantive change because when it all comes down to it, there is a distinct lack of interest in the discussion.

    RWWA would refute that they are doing anything other than working in the best interest of the WA Breeder, but the reality is that a loophole to allow Studs to boost their drafts at sales by offering Westspeed eligible yearlings by Interstate Stallions to attract buyers, has led to the outright slaughter of the spirit of the clause. In one instance it has led to an entire herd of WA owned mares living permanently Interstate and simply sending the babies back here.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    edited March 13
    I posted this in the MM thread as well.

    Here are some numbers that I have never tabulated before, but I think they make interesting reading.

    17
    Interstate buyers at the 2019 MM Perth Yearling Sale purchased only
    yearlings bred by Interstate based Stallions. 8 Interstate buyers
    purchased only WA bred yearlings, and just one Interstate buyer bought
    both.

    40 individual WA buyers bought only WA
    bred yearlings. 14 WA buyers purchased only Interstate bred yearlings,
    and 15 individual WA buyers purchased yearlings bred both WA bred and
    Interstate bred.


  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 13th of March

    Interstate bred 162

    WA bred 225 + 9

    Westspeed 51


    all else unchanged
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,895 posts
    After 16 March

    Interstate bred 166

    WA bred 229 + 9

    Westspeed 51

    Platinum 24

    Non qualified 6

    Stakes winners

    Interstate bred 25

    WA bred 19 + 1

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