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marko as jay jay said both C3 and same HWOE
if they were all $5000 to the winner races
2yo = 25% = $1250
3yo = 75% = $3750
3 wins = 100% = $15000
HWOE = $20,000
Lets keep it simple 5k to the winner races ( he was placed in Derbys etc ) when he turns 4 - where would he start off in the old system and new system
HRA ratings
reluctant to comment on the HRA ratings as there may be detail missing
My concern if it is as everyone thinks then the lower horses will be squashed by better performed horses in similar fashion to the drop back rule
Using horses I am involved with the following applies
Seven Demerits = C1 = 55 points 2 wins = HWOE = $6,162
R J Bopper = C2 = 60 points 8 wins = HWOE = $21,983
Mvardles Gem = C5/M2 = 75 or 95 9 wins = HWOE = $44,699
using the ratings it is quite possible they could be on similar points after racing for a while
Under the WA system in HWOE races Mccardles Gem can never get further back than the non prime HWOE LT $40,000 race which he can only get into via the also eligible clause
R J Bopper would need to win another race to be pushed into the HWOE LT $40,000 race but even if he won he could probably use a novice driver and stay in the HWOE LT $25,000 race
R J Bopper can start in the HWOE LT $12,000 race via the also eligible clause
Seven Demerits could have R J Bopper to contend with but would have to win about five races and exceed HWOE $25,000 before possibly meeting Mcardles Gem.
While Mcardles Gem can race in level 11+ metro races the main races for him are the L5$ LT races which could also be called drop back races - he can go up and down in these races - currently he is eligible for a L5$ LT $12,000 race(level 8) - if he was to win one of these he would go up to the L5$ LT $20,000 race (level 10) - if he doesn`t win a level 8 race in his next five starts then he will most likely be eligible for a L5$ LT$8,000 race
where the drop back in the old system saw courage tells etc dropping back onto horses trying to come through the classes the drop back races in the new system will see them competing against each other
The only drop back races in the HWOE races are via the also eligible clause which allows a horse a one HWOE level drop
Bit long winded but I believe there is more protection for the lesser horses in the WA system than in the HRA ratings system if it is as described
And to be honest I am totally confused reading the different ratings.
To me there are two issues here.
1 The acceptance of the new system.
2 The communication of RWWA in implementing it and the fallout that resulted.
Only time will tell if the new system works however the fallout if it doesnt is what most people are concerned about.
As far as point 2. I for one was a big supporter of RWWA when it was floated, finally a independent body with no bias to certain trainers, owners or drivers. But in my opinion they have lost their way big time. And it is not only the pacing code I am referring to. Numbers are down everywhere.
People are frustrated because they have nowhere to turn and they can see the ship sinking.
On a more positive note getthechange can you give us some of your wisdom for tomorrow night and give us a few tips. Curmudgeon is useless and i have a fishing trip to pay for. ????????????
You must have witnessed her last start at Northam.
Narrows it down.
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marko - re nikalong shadow
10 x 5k = 50k x 25% = HWOE $12,500
10 x 5k = 50k x 75% = HWOE $37,500
start 4yo season at HWOE $50,000
Under he MCR system I think he would be C8
Buhn Lert is not deregistered and has HWOE $27,500
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M0 C1 R1
HWOE Assessment
H$17500.00
Lifetime Summary
137-9-14-10
Last Season Summary
28-1-1-1
This Season Summary
21-0-2-1
Fig Form This Season
040522658034446400960
Lifetime Stakes
$67,762
Stakes Last Season
$12,106
Stakes This Season
$8,198
aussiebattler
with HWOE of $17,500 The Redeemer could start in a HWOE LT $25,000 and Courage Tells wouldn't be eligible for that race
also without looking closely The Redeemer quite possibly could have started in a HWOE LT $12,000 race via the also eligible rule
Don't think there was a right or wrong way to transition but I was heavily involved and it certainly wasn't done hastily and a lot of different ideas were tried. what was settled on I believe had the least impact after looking at all the figures - yes some came out better than others.
It was draft 24 and that is the last comment I will be making on transition
yes that may be so with the redeemer but point I was trying to make was this system in transition is not stopping a horse like courage tells from dropping in class against horses coming through the grades ,although the redeemer is not the best example it showed the difference in horses ability previous class and historic form which put it an advantage against many horses
the question is it fair to transition courage tells etc into fast class when under the MCR he was an M1 - if someone had bought him as an M1 would that be fair - quick count and if all wins were included The Redeemer would have had HWOE of approx. $30,600 so he too is racing with a discounted figure - would it be fair if someone bought The Redeemer as a C1 and he had then been given HWOE of $30,600. In my opinion taking the lower of the two figures seemed and still seems ok but clearly others disagree
I gather Jay Jay wanted all horses to be given their actual HWOE figure at transition but I think RWWA would have got attacked even more doing it that way
no more John Farnham`s - that is my last comment on the transition
will all be west Aussies as I never really followed the ES
Through my father I was able to speak to my idol Phil Coulson on the phone for a school essay and saw him in later years at Broome - always a gentleman
Trainer - P Coulson - F R Kersley - G Hall
Driver - C Lewis - J Schrader - F R Kersley
J Schrader - my father in law but it didn't mean anything to him on the track where he took no prisoners - after one Pin race I was still in stewards room explaining my tactics after Jimmy getting off the pegs just after the start and he was nearly back in Perth - he had told me his horse was erratic and to watch him - I watched him alright - watched him put me three wide and was I livid - didn't fall for that one again
Horse - Mount Eden ( freak)- Preaux Chevalier (gate speed - could work or come from behind)- Im the Mighty Quinn ( don't think I`ve seen a better sit/kick horse)
my fav horse when I was young was Radiant Oro
Probably left someone out but they are my quick response
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Looking at buying a horse from over east.
What do I look at to establish who or what it will be racing against.
Do I just add up all its winning stakes.
Are races under a certain dollar value not counted.
Do I include aged races.
Don't want song and dance just want to know how to grade under new system.
Not one for reading instructions.
Cheers any advice appreciated.
freodockers
if you are registered with Harnessweb or know someone who is then the horse`s HWOE figure is available there - all registered horses in Aus have a HWOE which is updated after each win
The easy alternative is to contact the RWWA racing office and they will be able to give you the horse`s HWOE figure - once you have that info you can look at upcoming fields or results to ascertain what type of horses you will be against
And its beautifully named - youll love it - just the one word Cupcakesnwhipcream - lol
No seriously - there was a horse today who ran 2nd at Kilmore - Sofala - it was one of the biggest runs - ive seen at Kilmore in many a year 29.2 27.3 - 3 wide without cover from the bell . The person who has got it Donna Castles - she normally just has scrubbers which race at Echuca and Shepparton
If i was looking at buying a standardbred - which im not - but i think Sofala will win plenty - what it did today - you need a fair amount of ability to do it
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1 run too early.
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