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You will never stop the big stables but if good odds are achieved well then that is a positive from an industry perspective.
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Participants in all 3 codes have lost faith in RWWA.
I no longer own,train or drive horses and my comment to owners more than 5 years ago was WA would end up like SA under the current regime, so I moved on.
When turnover, horse numbers, owners and trainers in all 3 codes are in decline for the last 5 years then questions have to be asked of the controlling body not the product.
It beggars belief that the industry is in the state that it is after 15 years or so of RWWA control and no action or measurement can or has been taken against their performance.
They still have the highest paid public servant running it, who I might add gave himself a 10% pay rise in 2017. It was that bad the premier stepped in and told RWWA to get in line with the rest of the state.
There are I am sure some very good people (past tense also) who worked their butts off with absolutely no thanks but if you have a system that answers to nobody then for want of a better term it's a "free for all".
Until this system of administration is held accountable on performance (particularly from the top level down) all three codes are in for some very hard years.
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I do however understand that handing out money hand over fist combined with a continual decline in turnover and participation is a recipe for disaster,, if not is now a disaster.
If you can answer my question of who measures performance of RWWA and who is held accountable (other than the soldiers) then I will be a happy man.
So far we have had the same CEO since inception (very well paid I might add again) and sorry but I just don't agree with it.
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The race was advertised as group pref draw and as such wouldn't be changed at acceptances,
to change it acceptances would be misleading and possibly have owners quizzing trainers as to why they didn't start their inform horse if they thought it was RBD.
Im Full of excuses, el jcko were nommed for the race and had HWOE of $158k and $159k and would have drawn the two worst designated draws had they started (group HWOE $100k - $150k)
had handsandwheels (236k - group HWOE $200k - $250k) been entered he would have drawn outside of Full of excuses and el jacko .
Had Our Jimmy Johnson (HWOE $324k - group HWOE $300kn - $350k been entered he would have drawn outside them both.
One suspects that one or more of these horses would have fronted up if it was RBD race so even though all starters went into the draw the preferential draw affected which horses started and as such needs to remain as was advertised -A RBD FFA would be a different field.
the group pref draw is almost the same as pref draws on C or M under MCR
In a C1/C4 race with pref draw on C the C1 horses were drawn first then C2 etc
In a HWOE race with grouped pref draw the lowest level horses are drawn first then the next level etc
A C0 starting in a C1/C4 drew with the C1 horses - the same principle applies in HWOE grouped draw races
a C1 which had won more races or more stakemoney than other C1 horses went into the draw as C1 horses - the same principle applies in HWOE grouped races ie horses are drawn within their levels regardless of the HWOE of the horse in that group
the only real difference is that concessions can only be used to get into a race and not to get a barrier
there are special groupings in fast class - see attachment
wherever we go we see synonyms or abreviations - rd (road), st(street), av (avenue), dr (drive) Gt Eastern Hwy ( Great Eastern Highway), RPH (Royal Perth Hospital) are some I saw when going to GP this morning, SGIO - GIO - RAC - WHO - CSIRO to name a few more and lets not forget the dreaded PDS
we lived with the pref draw abreviations of C,M, LTW, $WL3 ,$WL5, sex. SS,MS and understand stewards abbreviations so I am sure that owners and trainers can with a little effort understand the HWOE terminology
attached is the RWWA ( another one) explanation for barrier draws
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fast class with RBD = FFA
Fast class with group pref draw = HWOE $100k+
Sounds good to me
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reality is there aren't always races programmed to suit and even when they are they don't always hold up
reality is that under this terrible handicapping system your horse has won $35,000 in his last five starts
reality is that you still have a race to start in
reality is that if he doesn't win Friday he will be eligible for the L5$ LT $30,000 race the following week
reality is that next week there is also the 4yo/5yo championship and with a concession driver he is eligible also eligible for the HWOE LT $85k race
reality is that under MCR your horse with five metro wins including the Northam Cup would be an M4 - 1 drop back
reality is that under MCR in 2018 the fastest class GPM races run in March were
2nd March - 8 races - Sales finals - fastest open age race M2/M4
9th March - 10 races - fastest open age race Open Mares - No fast class - 3 x M1/M3
16th March - 10 races - fastest class 4/5 yo championship - no fast class - M2/M4
23rd March - 10 races - no fast class - fastest class - 3 x M1/.M3
29th March - 10 races - Easter Cup - next fastest M2/M4
Was the lack of fast class races in March 2018 caused by the new handicapping system that at that stage wasn't operating?
Hopefully the sun rises tomorrow because if it doesn't it will no doubt be the handicapping systems fault
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