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  • Plans and strategies moving forward what are they?.Shrink the footprint and grow the industry that's about it.
  • savethegamesavethegame    2,857 posts
    The foundation you stand on today Was built yesterday .To reach for Tomorrow.
  • JayJayJayJay    7,762 posts
    Just the 51 starters for Wednesday at Bunbury plus an on again, off again, on again 4 horse race??

    Everything is just swell.

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  • Us old people want all participants to succeed not a small minority.

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  • Grow the industry by shrinking the footprint.
  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    172 posts

    Grow the industry by shrinking the footprint.


    well what would you suggest we do to turn this sinking ship around ?? I see alot of finger pointing and complaining but not a ton of suggestions to help fix the industry outside of scrapping the hwoe system and pissing gp off
  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    868 posts

    Us old people want all participants to succeed not a small minority.




    It’s a sport and competition I see no reason why we need participation awards

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  • JayJayJayJay    7,762 posts
    edited October 2023
    No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

    I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.


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  • JayJayJayJay    7,762 posts




    well what would you suggest we do to turn this sinking ship around ?? I see alot of finger pointing and complaining but not a ton of suggestions to help fix the industry outside of scrapping the hwoe system and **** gp off

    A blueprint for change is currently being formulated and will be presented very shortly to both the Minister and RWWA. It will involve wide ranging changes of direction, policy and governance and will cover a lot more than handicapping, racing systems, priorities for future growth and programming and, as you so eloquently put it, "**** gp off".
  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    868 posts
    JayJay said:

    No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

    I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.





    Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t
  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    172 posts

    Interesting comments Chopchop re the 70s&80s it's certainly a different industry  we've dissolved not evolved  but the younger generation wouldn't understand how good harness racing was and yes we handicapped back then. Also interesting when you do a problem solving exercise on harness racing the number one problem is the introduction of the mobile barrier(fact) down ward trend ever since.


    also I was lucky enough to be around the trots when it was still good night out, before the betting apps and sky racing, which is something else that has to be considered especially when it comes to the lack of attendees to gp, there is no longer a need to go to the trots
    JayJay said:




    well what would you suggest we do to turn this sinking ship around ?? I see alot of finger pointing and complaining but not a ton of suggestions to help fix the industry outside of scrapping the hwoe system and **** gp off

    A blueprint for change is currently being formulated and will be presented very shortly to both the Minister and RWWA. It will involve wide ranging changes of direction, policy and governance and will cover a lot more than handicapping, racing systems, priorities for future growth and programming and, as you so eloquently put it, "**** gp off".

    well if we are gonna scrap gp why don't we scrap every other 800 metre leader bias track if we are fair dinkum about creating a more attractive product
  • Ivorytrunkey86Ivorytrunkey86    209 posts
    My personnel opinion of people getting out of the game especially younger people has nothing to do with handicapping or track sizes because as we know if you’ve got the trot bug you’ve got it and you’ll always come back to it. But the astronomical cost to buy a property and set it up people just can’t afford in this day and age then to buy a half decent horse on top of that,which always brings me back to rwwa building a training facility in Pinjarra,I reckon if they did that there would be plenty of hobby trainers who work full time back in the game lifting horse numbers and trainer numbers making the game stronger.then worry about the handicapping but as they say the show won’t go on if there’s no one to put on the show.
  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    868 posts

    My personnel opinion of people getting out of the game especially younger people has nothing to do with handicapping or track sizes because as we know if you’ve got the trot bug you’ve got it and you’ll always come back to it. But the astronomical cost to buy a property and set it up people just can’t afford in this day and age then to buy a half decent horse on top of that,which always brings me back to rwwa building a training facility in Pinjarra,I reckon if they did that there would be plenty of hobby trainers who work full time back in the game lifting horse numbers and trainer numbers making the game stronger.then worry about the handicapping but as they say the show won’t go on if there’s no one to put on the show.




    This could be the most sense you’ve spoken since your most recent fall and helmet throw
  • AbbysAceAbbysAce    584 posts
    I asked a couple of months ago but no one had any real answers......
  • Ivorytrunkey86Ivorytrunkey86    209 posts
    Rocket I’ve only just come out of my concussion.

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  • JayJayJayJay    7,762 posts
    The training centre and on course stabling at Pinjarra, along the lines of Menangle, Cranbourne and the proposed Queensland complex will be front and centre in rebuilding the base ....and $24.7 million would go along way to achieving that goal. It is a no brainer.

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  • JayJayJayJay    7,762 posts
    The "there is no longer a need to go to GP" argument explains why no one goes to the footy at Optus???.....buy a pie, bet on whatever aspect of the game you like, drink cheap beer and rest comfortably on the couch, no need to leave the house. No need to attend the Cox Plate or the Ascot Carnival either.

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    2,975 posts

    JayJay said:

    No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

    I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.





    Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t
    " Doesnt  matter what track we race on and whether its 200 metre or 2000 metre the good horses still win " 

    What a load of hot garbage - and probably the dumbest thing ever said on this site 

    You say the older ones are living in the past - yet we all want a modern up to date bigger track like every other state in Australia  where harness racing  has got every opportunity to excel - just like the horses 

    Your the one living in the past - youve got your head buried in the sand like an emu - and you want to keep ( and at the same time waste 27 million )  a 50 year old out of date goat track 

    And the only reason you have that opinion is because you hero worship Hall Snr - ok its fine to have your hero/idol - but you are totally brainwashed by him - and whatever Hally says - you agree with it 

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  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    868 posts
    Markovina said:

    JayJay said:

    No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

    I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.





    Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t
    " Doesnt  matter what track we race on and whether its 200 metre or 2000 metre the good horses still win " 

    What a load of hot garbage - and probably the dumbest thing ever said on this site 

    You say the older ones are living in the past - yet we all want a modern up to date bigger track like every other state in Australia  where harness racing  has got every opportunity to excel - just like the horses 

    Your the one living in the past - youve got your head buried in the sand like an emu - and you want to keep ( and at the same time waste 27 million )  a 50 year old out of date goat track 

    And the only reason you have that opinion is because you hero worship Hall Snr - ok its fine to have your hero/idol - but you are totally brainwashed by him - and whatever Hally says - you agree with it 



    I actually don’t care what size track we race on, it wouldn’t give me any more or less winners, sorry to burst your bubble
  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    172 posts
    Markovina said:

    JayJay said:

    No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

    I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.





    Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t
    " Doesnt  matter what track we race on and whether its 200 metre or 2000 metre the good horses still win " 

    What a load of hot garbage - and probably the dumbest thing ever said on this site 

    You say the older ones are living in the past - yet we all want a modern up to date bigger track like every other state in Australia  where harness racing  has got every opportunity to excel - just like the horses 

    Your the one living in the past - youve got your head buried in the sand like an emu - and you want to keep ( and at the same time waste 27 million )  a 50 year old out of date goat track 

    And the only reason you have that opinion is because you hero worship Hall Snr - ok its fine to have your hero/idol - but you are totally brainwashed by him - and whatever Hally says - you agree with it 
    Markovina said:

    JayJay said:

    No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

    I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.





    Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t
    " Doesnt  matter what track we race on and whether its 200 metre or 2000 metre the good horses still win " 

    What a load of hot garbage - and probably the dumbest thing ever said on this site 

    You say the older ones are living in the past - yet we all want a modern up to date bigger track like every other state in Australia  where harness racing  has got every opportunity to excel - just like the horses 

    Your the one living in the past - youve got your head buried in the sand like an emu - and you want to keep ( and at the same time waste 27 million )  a 50 year old out of date goat track 

    And the only reason you have that opinion is because you hero worship Hall Snr - ok its fine to have your hero/idol - but you are totally brainwashed by him - and whatever Hally says - you agree with it 

    don't know about the dumbest thing ever said on this site, you've said some pretty questionable garbage along the way
  • AbbysAceAbbysAce    584 posts
    Why can Moonee Valley get decent crowds to Friday night racing, when The trots were on Friday night they couldnt?

    Same venue.
    On at the same time,
    Charge the same price for admission.
    Charge the same price for drinks.

    Yes, races have a bigger following but are they promoting it that much better?
  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    868 posts
    AbbysAce said:

    Why can Moonee Valley get decent crowds to Friday night racing, when The trots were on Friday night they couldnt?


    Same venue.
    On at the same time,
    Charge the same price for admission.
    Charge the same price for drinks.

    Yes, races have a bigger following but are they promoting it that much better?



    Actually crowds for all codes here are dismal apart from big race meetings

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    2,975 posts
    AbbysAce said:

    Why can Moonee Valley get decent crowds to Friday night racing, when The trots were on Friday night they couldnt?


    Same venue.
    On at the same time,
    Charge the same price for admission.
    Charge the same price for drinks.

    Yes, races have a bigger following but are they promoting it that much better?
    No totally disagree with that 

    I went to MV Ttrots - probably a dozen times - because 2-3 times a year in the footy season i would catch the train Frid night from Syd to Melb - just to watch 2-3 games of AFL ( especially if  there was a public hol Monday )  and thus on the Sat night i would allways  go to the MV Trots - - there was a good bookies ring - and plenty of people their - allways well attended ) 

    You did say Frid night - i reckon they only raced Frid night for about 2-3 years - Melb Harness historically was allways Sat night
  • getthechangegetthechange    321 posts
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    reminder that handicapping comments close 25th October 

    probably only chance to express your opinion where it might count

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