New Handicapping System for the Trots

angelarobinson · October 9

Plans and strategies moving forward what are they?.Shrink the footprint and grow the industry that's about it.

savethegame · October 9

The foundation you stand on today Was built yesterday .To reach for Tomorrow.

JayJay · October 9

Just the 51 starters for Wednesday at Bunbury plus an on again, off again, on again 4 horse race??

Everything is just swell.

angelarobinson · October 9

Us old people want all participants to succeed not a small minority.

angelarobinson · October 9

Grow the industry by shrinking the footprint.

Chopchop43 · October 9

angelarobinson said:
Grow the industry by shrinking the footprint.

well what would you suggest we do to turn this sinking ship around ?? I see alot of finger pointing and complaining but not a ton of suggestions to help fix the industry outside of scrapping the hwoe system and pissing gp off

Rocket_Reign · October 9

angelarobinson said:
Us old people want all participants to succeed not a small minority.

It’s a sport and competition I see no reason why we need participation awards

JayJay · October 9

No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.

JayJay · October 9

Chopchop43 said:

well what would you suggest we do to turn this sinking ship around ?? I see alot of finger pointing and complaining but not a ton of suggestions to help fix the industry outside of scrapping the hwoe system and **** gp off

A blueprint for change is currently being formulated and will be presented very shortly to both the Minister and RWWA. It will involve wide ranging changes of direction, policy and governance and will cover a lot more than handicapping, racing systems, priorities for future growth and programming and, as you so eloquently put it, "**** gp off".

Rocket_Reign · October 9

JayJay said:
No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.

Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t

Chopchop43 · October 9

angelarobinson said:
Interesting comments Chopchop re the 70s&80s it's certainly a different industry we've dissolved not evolved but the younger generation wouldn't understand how good harness racing was and yes we handicapped back then. Also interesting when you do a problem solving exercise on harness racing the number one problem is the introduction of the mobile barrier(fact) down ward trend ever since.

also I was lucky enough to be around the trots when it was still good night out, before the betting apps and sky racing, which is something else that has to be considered especially when it comes to the lack of attendees to gp, there is no longer a need to go to the trots

JayJay said:

Chopchop43 said:

well what would you suggest we do to turn this sinking ship around ?? I see alot of finger pointing and complaining but not a ton of suggestions to help fix the industry outside of scrapping the hwoe system and **** gp off
A blueprint for change is currently being formulated and will be presented very shortly to both the Minister and RWWA. It will involve wide ranging changes of direction, policy and governance and will cover a lot more than handicapping, racing systems, priorities for future growth and programming and, as you so eloquently put it, "**** gp off".

well if we are gonna scrap gp why don't we scrap every other 800 metre leader bias track if we are fair dinkum about creating a more attractive product

Ivorytrunkey86 · October 9

My personnel opinion of people getting out of the game especially younger people has nothing to do with handicapping or track sizes because as we know if you’ve got the trot bug you’ve got it and you’ll always come back to it. But the astronomical cost to buy a property and set it up people just can’t afford in this day and age then to buy a half decent horse on top of that,which always brings me back to rwwa building a training facility in Pinjarra,I reckon if they did that there would be plenty of hobby trainers who work full time back in the game lifting horse numbers and trainer numbers making the game stronger.then worry about the handicapping but as they say the show won’t go on if there’s no one to put on the show.

Rocket_Reign · October 9

Ivorytrunkey86 said:
My personnel opinion of people getting out of the game especially younger people has nothing to do with handicapping or track sizes because as we know if you’ve got the trot bug you’ve got it and you’ll always come back to it. But the astronomical cost to buy a property and set it up people just can’t afford in this day and age then to buy a half decent horse on top of that,which always brings me back to rwwa building a training facility in Pinjarra,I reckon if they did that there would be plenty of hobby trainers who work full time back in the game lifting horse numbers and trainer numbers making the game stronger.then worry about the handicapping but as they say the show won’t go on if there’s no one to put on the show.

This could be the most sense you’ve spoken since your most recent fall and helmet throw

AbbysAce · October 9

I asked a couple of months ago but no one had any real answers......

Ivorytrunkey86 · October 9

Rocket I’ve only just come out of my concussion.

JayJay · October 9

The training centre and on course stabling at Pinjarra, along the lines of Menangle, Cranbourne and the proposed Queensland complex will be front and centre in rebuilding the base ....and $24.7 million would go along way to achieving that goal. It is a no brainer.

JayJay · October 9

The "there is no longer a need to go to GP" argument explains why no one goes to the footy at Optus???.....buy a pie, bet on whatever aspect of the game you like, drink cheap beer and rest comfortably on the couch, no need to leave the house. No need to attend the Cox Plate or the Ascot Carnival either.

Markovina · October 9

Rocket_Reign said:

JayJay said:
No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.

Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t

" Doesnt matter what track we race on and whether its 200 metre or 2000 metre the good horses still win "

What a load of hot garbage - and probably the dumbest thing ever said on this site

You say the older ones are living in the past - yet we all want a modern up to date bigger track like every other state in Australia where harness racing has got every opportunity to excel - just like the horses

Your the one living in the past - youve got your head buried in the sand like an emu - and you want to keep ( and at the same time waste 27 million ) a 50 year old out of date goat track

And the only reason you have that opinion is because you hero worship Hall Snr - ok its fine to have your hero/idol - but you are totally brainwashed by him - and whatever Hally says - you agree with it

Rocket_Reign · October 9

Markovina said:

Rocket_Reign said:

JayJay said:
No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.

Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t
" Doesnt matter what track we race on and whether its 200 metre or 2000 metre the good horses still win "

What a load of hot garbage - and probably the dumbest thing ever said on this site

You say the older ones are living in the past - yet we all want a modern up to date bigger track like every other state in Australia where harness racing has got every opportunity to excel - just like the horses

Your the one living in the past - youve got your head buried in the sand like an emu - and you want to keep ( and at the same time waste 27 million ) a 50 year old out of date goat track

And the only reason you have that opinion is because you hero worship Hall Snr - ok its fine to have your hero/idol - but you are totally brainwashed by him - and whatever Hally says - you agree with it

I actually don’t care what size track we race on, it wouldn’t give me any more or less winners, sorry to burst your bubble

Chopchop43 · October 9

Markovina said:

Rocket_Reign said:

JayJay said:
No participants, no competition, no turnover, no sport......just a couple of big stables having private races around their training tracks racing for purple cabbages. A great future under your vision.

I think I can see a need for maintaining participation and participants at every level but each to his own.

Or a more professional sport, doesn’t matter what track we race on and whether it’s 200m or 2000m the good horses will still win and you’ll still blame the track as to why the bad ones aren’t
" Doesnt matter what track we race on and whether its 200 metre or 2000 metre the good horses still win "

What a load of hot garbage - and probably the dumbest thing ever said on this site

You say the older ones are living in the past - yet we all want a modern up to date bigger track like every other state in Australia where harness racing has got every opportunity to excel - just like the horses

Your the one living in the past - youve got your head buried in the sand like an emu - and you want to keep ( and at the same time waste 27 million ) a 50 year old out of date goat track

And the only reason you have that opinion is because you hero worship Hall Snr - ok its fine to have your hero/idol - but you are totally brainwashed by him - and whatever Hally says - you agree with it

don't know about the dumbest thing ever said on this site, you've said some pretty questionable garbage along the way

AbbysAce · October 9

Why can Moonee Valley get decent crowds to Friday night racing, when The trots were on Friday night they couldnt?

Same venue.

On at the same time,

Charge the same price for admission.

Charge the same price for drinks.

Yes, races have a bigger following but are they promoting it that much better?

Rocket_Reign · October 9

AbbysAce said:
Why can Moonee Valley get decent crowds to Friday night racing, when The trots were on Friday night they couldnt?

Same venue.
On at the same time,
Charge the same price for admission.
Charge the same price for drinks.

Yes, races have a bigger following but are they promoting it that much better?

Actually crowds for all codes here are dismal apart from big race meetings

Markovina · October 9

AbbysAce said:
Why can Moonee Valley get decent crowds to Friday night racing, when The trots were on Friday night they couldnt?

Same venue.
On at the same time,
Charge the same price for admission.
Charge the same price for drinks.

Yes, races have a bigger following but are they promoting it that much better?

No totally disagree with that

I went to MV Ttrots - probably a dozen times - because 2-3 times a year in the footy season i would catch the train Frid night from Syd to Melb - just to watch 2-3 games of AFL ( especially if there was a public hol Monday ) and thus on the Sat night i would allways go to the MV Trots - - there was a good bookies ring - and plenty of people their - allways well attended )

You did say Frid night - i reckon they only raced Frid night for about 2-3 years - Melb Harness historically was allways Sat night

getthechange · October 16

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reminder that handicapping comments close 25th October

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