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Headquarters Tuesday - Vincenzo Night

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Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
edited March 2019 Harness & Greyhounds
He's stepping out again - barrier 9 over the 2520 metres and won't be going back at the start, with nobody wanting to hold him out and destroy their own chances the breeze maybe up for grabs in no time, likely leader and fancy Lagoon Stride good luck to him winning with Vincenzo applying the pressure.

If the speed is injected into the race a fair way out then the one to beat might be Highroller Joe was happy with his run in the Bridgetown Cup, got some time for Joe and think there's three main hopes - Vincenzo, Joe and the Nathan Turvey drive Beltane could be the blowout.

Give Lagoon Stride some hope too mainly with Shannon Suvajlko driving, but the horse is out of form and will have Mark Reed applying the pressure a fair way out - SS might be better off taking a sit. He's drawn barrier one, great but it does equal anywhere from 1 point to 10 points unders!!

The number of favoured horses at GP that get beaten from barrier one - mind boggling and the price of they put them up at 8-|

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    Last Friday night gate one fancies.
    Clarendon Hustler 11/8 - good run after early pressure but that was a short price. 2nd.

    Rock'nroll Baby 7/4 fixed :-O was better on tote - unplaced.

    Patickthepiranha 9/10 - he lacked bite - unplaced.

    Mr. Bushido $1.70 tote :-O a bit better with the bookies - unplaced.

    Mick Grantham got the next gate one Marcotti up at 4/5.

    However overall another typical night of barrier one unders at GP - if you cast back through the results week after week it's the same overall picture. Of course some win but the odds of them sheeeeeeesh.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    Never ever been sure of handicapping, but how does Vincenzo run against Pacing Cup horses on the Friday night from barrier 9 and four nights later run against horses of the calibre of Arriens and Walkabout Creek etc ? That seems strange to me.

    Also harking back to the Narrogin Cup and the Pacing Cup/Fremantle Cup runners in that event how did battling outer country horse in Miss Stonebrige gain a start against the best ?

    They gave her barrier one - right that was going to make a lot of difference, I mean seriously.

    She tried her best but after a soft run was going backwards shortly after the bell, a legitimate 2000/1 chance running against the elite - another strange one in my book.

    Secret Delight the other Albany horse started from barrier two - Tabtouch bet $81 and just $7.25 a place about a horse that should have been 800/1 and 200/1 a place.

    Miss Stonebrige and Secret Delight running in a Group 3 race against Pacing Cup and Fremantle Cup runners...cmmmmmon.
  • JayJayJayJay    7,628 posts
    Pays to be very sure about the handicapping rules and understand the conditions attached to each race.

    Vincenzo has a HWOE of $31,978

    Conditions for today's race are as follows:

    HWOE LT $40,000. 3YO and older. HWOE LT $40,000
    (CONCESSIONS HWOE LT $44,500)
    ALSO ELIGIBLE - HWOE LT $70,000 With L5$ LT $2,250.
    Preference to HWOE $25,000+ (Level 9)
    (Concessions for Novice Driver). RBD.

    For the TAB land punter, simples!!!!!! Can't understand why the Eastern States jurisdictions aren't adopting our system over their proposed ratings proposition.

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    If the Narrogin Cup was a standing start and El Jacko etc were off 50 - 60 metres and Miss Stonebrige and Secret Delight were off scratch then that's acceptable.

    El Jacko and Always Arjay would still have eaten them up though.

    Those two outer country horse's were dropping back in other runners laps shortly after the bell - if that's a good image for pacing, good luck to them!
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Have to ask the trainers why they put them in the race in the first place.
    Nothing to do with handicapping system except they were eligible.
    At the end of the day trainers or owners decision.


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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    Group 3 race sat behind leader and three back pegs, both were driven perfectly, could not have had it softer and finished 50 metres and 100 metres from the winner.

    Entitled to run 100% yes.
    Should they have run in a Group 3 ? No not in my opinion.

    Standing start conditions and getting a 70 metre head start then yes, heck silly me might have even thrown them in for third and fourth - competitive racing = competitive betting.
  • JayJayJayJay    7,628 posts
    It's everything to do with the handicapping system Freo....when the conditions are so wide and there are so many "also eligible" clauses and conditions....it is the system that determines who can start but agree that trainers have to be realistic even when guaranteed $300 for finishing last. It may have been the case that the trainers didn't have too many options available (don't know, just summizzing) but if it had been a conditioned stand, there would have been no 70m handicaps. They have just modified the conditions for standing starts after responding to Industry feedback and general discontent with conditioned stands.
  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    841 posts
    JayJay said:

    It's everything to do with the handicapping system Freo....when the conditions are so wide and there are so many "also eligible" clauses and conditions....it is the system that determines who can start but agree that trainers have to be realistic even when guaranteed $300 for finishing last. It may have been the case that the trainers didn't have too many options available (don't know, just summizzing) but if it had been a conditioned stand, there would have been no 70m handicaps. They have just modified the conditions for standing starts after responding to Industry feedback and general discontent with conditioned stands.




    An M0 has always been able to start in FFA just like a C2 has always been able to start in a country cup, old and new system doesn’t mean trainers should nominate for them
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    Wow there having some fun with Waltzingwithsierra. If you go back to her Victorian form as a two and three year old ran against the best of the best. Zac Phillips drove her in Melbourne.

    $8 about a good horse in form with SS driving - well done fixed odds boys - that's competiveness!
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Interesting runner tonight.
    Arma orourke interesting drive last start see what happens.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    Vincenzo 1/2 think Bet365 had him 7/4 yesterday.
    Beltane is getting out to a big price @$15.

    Vincenzo to go forward and lead might be the go, if was Lagoon Stride would be handing up, ( who wants Vincenzo bothering you the whole race ) will be interesting to see what Suvaljko does providing he holds up initially, if there's a bit happening won't be surprised if Highroller Joe or Beltane swamp the lot of them.

    If Vincenzo works his way to the front then you'd think all over.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    Thought he was in a bit of froth and bubble - but then you always knew the Svilicich factor would kick in.
    He's as tough as old boots - Vincenzo that is.

    Thought the run of Beltane fantastic - black book him, breeze outside of Vincenzo and be "gone" then box back to run a clear third - big effort.

    Lagoon Stride - just Suvaljko being sensible - you'd expect no different.

    Highroller Joe - looked the possible winner with the electrifying sprint - yet missed the place comfortably. Can't knock his sprint - saved up for one run with speed on - don't give up on him. Wouldn't totally rely on him now either though.

    The winner was typical. The horse keen to see again - Beltane!

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Two runners in the ne
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Two runners in the next free to air good run last start and the arsonist both at good odds dropping in class.
  • savethegamesavethegame    2,786 posts
    Highroller joe bit like  a nonswimmer who found himself in the deep end on the point of the bend he said I am outta here vince.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    On the point of the corner Vincenzo said "nice meeting you Joe but I have to go now".

    There's a win somewhere for Highroller Joe - that sprint was very quick - short lived though.

    That was a big go on Vincenzo too, seemed to be heavily supported - last Friday night ran at 70/1 haha, as said before be prepared for a ride - this horse is going to be all sorts of odds!

    One night he will get rolled at $1.50 but don't be surprised if one evening wins at 10/1 or better.

    The odds of this horse you'll find will be all over the shop - it has been so far.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    Lagoon Stride kicked on well, Suvaljko factor saw to that.

    Talking of top drives Ryan Warwick's drive on Mortician in the trotters race at Pinjarra yesterday - as good as you'd see.

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    Sisters is 125/1 clear rank outsider in the final race which means she's favourite to run last - will have $100 on at $2 that she doesn't run last.

    Think she can beat one or two home - will be interesting!
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    As the song went ..."Sisters are doing it for themselves".

    Good girl ran 5th courtesy of a smart sensible drive - seen her run a couple of reasonable races at Pinjarra - little goer she is.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    That was a pretend bet of course - be interesting if you could back horses not to run last, a reverse market bet.

    Would like fixed odds to bring in ( as other corporates do ) Favourite versus the Field - would I be taking on some of those false favourites or what!! Or odds on faves that reckon are way too short.

    Shadow Maker was $1.60 to win tonight ( barrier one - funny that ) so that equals about $2.20 not to win - yes please!
  • JayJayJayJay    7,628 posts
    Swings and roundabouts Riders, Midnight Man odds on from gate 1 and got the cash. All depends on ability, evaluate and back accordingly. In spite of what you say, the stats back up the advantage of gate 1 ....I'll take it every day of the week for my horses, regardless of price ....scored a couple of visitors draws for Friday Night (gate 7 and gate 8) and I know we are next to no chance from out there.

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited March 2019
    Absolutely - has always been the coveted draw and will always remain that way. I just like stirring the pot!

    Give favourite backers a bit of flak from time to time.
  • getthechangegetthechange    310 posts
    barrier one anytime but someone has to draw wide - barriers 7 and 8 for Jay Jay - we got barrier 9
  • JayJayJayJay    7,628 posts
    Yep, I got 1 last week, it is the way it is.
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Pressures on now Riders.
    Barrier 1 in FFA class.
  • BlacksAFakeBlacksAFake    2,372 posts

    Thought he was in a bit of froth and bubble - but then you always knew the Svilicich factor would kick in.
    He's as tough as old boots - Vincenzo that is.

    Thought the run of Beltane fantastic - black book him, breeze outside of Vincenzo and be "gone" then box back to run a clear third - big effort.

    Lagoon Stride - just Suvaljko being sensible - you'd expect no different.

    Highroller Joe - looked the possible winner with the electrifying sprint - yet missed the place comfortably. Can't knock his sprint - saved up for one run with speed on - don't give up on him. Wouldn't totally rely on him now either though.

    The winner was typical. The horse keen to see again - Beltane!




    Beltane today $3.70 into $2.15,missed a place
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited April 2019
    Just watched replay - looked as if came within a whisker of getting the one out one back trail - he worked extremely hard in the run and boxed on well.
    Don't think any other horse could have worked as solidly and still battle away up the straight to run 4th.

    He was a heavily backed favourite though, just didn't get the breaks.

    Trapped wide, then Lady Luca kicked up and Mon Lillies wanted to retain the front.

    Costly for fave backers but think a win is still nigh.
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