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What stallion's would people like to see come to stand in WA. (Within reason of course) 

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  • MinesACoronaMinesACorona    143 posts
    I would like to see Foxwedge.
    He has a substantial decline in numbers last breed season just 68 mares in comparison to 160 in 2017
  • paraleticparaletic    3,117 posts
    Magic Albert
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,935 posts

    I would like to see Foxwedge.
    He has a substantial decline in numbers last breed season just 68 mares in comparison to 160 in 2017



    Foxwedge predominately gets a three year old and above. I don't know if he would bbe readily accepted by WA Breeders for what would be still a premium service fee. He stood for the last two years at $22,000, never get that here.

    Magic Albert should be retired, absolutely no.

    Adelaide from Coolmore might be a rough chance if this season doesn't go that well.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,935 posts
    Foxwedge has just gone to Woodside and will stand for $16,500 incl
  • ManchildManchild    135 posts
    Where is Woodside ?
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,935 posts
    Manchild said:

    Where is Woodside ?



    I believe it's in the ALP stronghold of Bendigo, Victoria. That's enough for you to say no I would think ?

    LOL

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  • OhsomodestOhsomodest    50 posts
    Supido
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,935 posts

    Supido

    He has served only one crop of more than 100 mares, I can't think of a reason why he would be moved
  • OhsomodestOhsomodest    50 posts
    edited April 20

    Regarding Supido, I think he’ll be underrated by the market. I like his pedigree. Wasn’t a superstar but nor were I Am Invincible or Snitzel.
  • BucksBucks    132 posts
    Bel Esprit, Magnus and Ocean Park
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,935 posts
    Talked about Magnus coming here with a representative of Sun Stud, but the reason why it would almost never happen was the sheer number of owners in the Stallion. Then he hit the big time and it was well and truly not a consideration. I imagine Bel Esprit will see out his days there as a loyal servant he has been. Ocean Park, no idea. More chance getting All Too Hard.
  • BucksBucks    132 posts
    Damien have any studs over here considered looking at doing a deal with a proven eastern states based sire like a Magnus or Al Maher to bring them over here for single breeding season? It would have to be a stallion with an affordable service fee (around $10k-$15k) in order to appeal to both the smaller and larger breeders. I would have thought if you advertised it well in advance it would be well supported. If it was successful you could look to stand a new sire each season.

  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,935 posts
    Bucks said:

    Damien have any studs over here considered looking at doing a deal with a proven eastern states based sire like a Magnus or Al Maher to bring them over here for single breeding season? It would have to be a stallion with an affordable service fee (around $10k-$15k) in order to appeal to both the smaller and larger breeders. I would have thought if you advertised it well in advance it would be well supported. If it was successful you could look to stand a new sire each season.




    Several years ago I had conversations with two very different people, both of varying influence in WA Breeding circles and the responses were interesting.

    Firstly I mentioned to one, I have the opportunity to manage a Stallion and would he be interested in becoming a part of that ? 'Where is he going to stand?' not which stallion, not who else or how much, no 'where is he going to stand' I said here. The answer was a flat no. Mostly the reason given was that a $15,000 service fee was not achievable with the bargain basement mentality of local Breeders.

    Second conversation was with someone not commercially orientated as such and when I spoke of that Stallion (a different one this was two years earlier) I was told that my choice would be laughed at by Breeders here in WA.

    So when I was recently contacted, more for sounding out an idea of moving a well known Stallion that had lost favour in The East, I just said there was no momentum here at all and certainly no cohesive working attitude towards commercially viable bulls.

    In respect to Magnus, prior to Magnifisio winning her Gr1, I actively pursued what was then Eliza Park, now Sun Stud, to get him relocated as his numbers were ever so slightly showing a decline and I believed in him quite strongly. She had come out of his first crop on the ground and like many Stallions, he suffered when his two year olds didn't do a whole lot needing time. He came out of the 2012 season covering less than 80 mares, so his future looked grim in an over populated market. But the sticking problem was his 50 or 51 owners, and most of them were sending along a mare or simply had made their money out of him in his first five seasons, so anything from there was profit on the deal.

    So as far as securing a failing Stallion goes, it would have to be almost a complete commercial write off to be released, also to be affordable, or it simply just has too many issues such as fertility or throwing ordinary types even for a sales ring.

    That's what we get here every year in WA. Someone else's problem.
  • TiversTivers    6,988 posts
    AL MAHER would have been a ripper - I believe has changed hands for this season
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    6,935 posts

    I would like to see Foxwedge.
    He has a substantial decline in numbers last breed season just 68 mares in comparison to 160 in 2017



    Foxwedge predominately gets a three year old and above. I don't know if he would bbe readily accepted by WA Breeders for what would be still a premium service fee. He stood for the last two years at $22,000, never get that here.

    Magic Albert should be retired, absolutely no.

    Adelaide from Coolmore might be a rough chance if this season doesn't go that well.
    No chance of Adelaide being moved now, he has a potential superstar with Chris Waller called Funstar.
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