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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    Just an update on D'Argento.

    His weanlings averaged 54,250 with 8 sold for an aggregate of $434,000 with a top lot of $120,000 at the Inglis Weanling Sale yesterday.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    Darling View have acquired Splintex (Snitzel) a Gr 2 winner to stand for $11,000. He is the third son of Snitzel to stand here after Ducimus (Listed) and Bondi (Gr & Listed placed).

    Stallion acquisition is almost impossible in the current super heated marketplace and WA is certainly feeling the effects.  Four of the current 10 leading Stallions in WA are deceased with another close to being retired.

    Not that I am making those sorts of decisions, but a lot of any mares I would want to breed with would be on trucks heading East with the limited opportunities on offer here.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts


    Bucks said:

    Damien have any studs over here considered looking at doing a deal with a proven eastern states based sire like a Magnus or Al Maher to bring them over here for single breeding season? It would have to be a stallion with an affordable service fee (around $10k-$15k) in order to appeal to both the smaller and larger breeders. I would have thought if you advertised it well in advance it would be well supported. If it was successful you could look to stand a new sire each season.




    Several years ago I had conversations with two very different people, both of varying influence in WA Breeding circles and the responses were interesting.

    Firstly I mentioned to one, I have the opportunity to manage a Stallion and would he be interested in becoming a part of that ? 'Where is he going to stand?' not which stallion, not who else or how much, no 'where is he going to stand' I said here. The answer was a flat no. Mostly the reason given was that a $15,000 service fee was not achievable with the bargain basement mentality of local Breeders.

    Second conversation was with someone not commercially orientated as such and when I spoke of that Stallion (a different one this was two years earlier) I was told that my choice would be laughed at by Breeders here in WA.

    So when I was recently contacted, more for sounding out an idea of moving a well known Stallion that had lost favour in The East, I just said there was no momentum here at all and certainly no cohesive working attitude towards commercially viable bulls.

    In respect to Magnus, prior to Magnifisio winning her Gr1, I actively pursued what was then Eliza Park, now Sun Stud, to get him relocated as his numbers were ever so slightly showing a decline and I believed in him quite strongly. She had come out of his first crop on the ground and like many Stallions, he suffered when his two year olds didn't do a whole lot needing time. He came out of the 2012 season covering less than 80 mares, so his future looked grim in an over populated market. But the sticking problem was his 50 or 51 owners, and most of them were sending along a mare or simply had made their money out of him in his first five seasons, so anything from there was profit on the deal.

    So as far as securing a failing Stallion goes, it would have to be almost a complete commercial write off to be released, also to be affordable, or it simply just has too many issues such as fertility or throwing ordinary types even for a sales ring.

    That's what we get here every year in WA. Someone else's problem.


    Just a footnote.

    When told I would be laughed at for the Stallion selection I was on the short list for, I was told that I would be laughed at. The horse was retired from the track having been a two time Gr1 winner.

    Well Power, who now stands in NZ, just sired his 23rd Stakes Winner this weekend on the other side of the World.

    So to those that read this forum, be careful who you listen to. 


  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Manhattan Rain to WA
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Manhattan Rain to Giesel Park... a good get

  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Older stallion but that's what makes him affordable for WA.
    Better a few years with a great stallion than a lot of years with an ordinary stallion.
    Massive upgrade on the one they just disposed (for $5k)
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    At rising 16 years of age, that is about the only negative with Manhattan Rain. All things being well, he has 5 seasons perhaps before being pensioned off. His record at Stud is more than reasonable but nothing outstanding.

    It will be interesting to see how his stock are greeted in the sales ring. 

    A much more interesting choice would have been Gold Standard (Sebring) who is in a tender process that closes today. He has his whole life in front of him at Stud but I am told by well placed sources, that while WA farms were contacted, nobody expressed an interest.

    I have no interest as a buyer these days, I do not represent any clients and I only keep an eye on the WA scene from an observer position. I keep in contact with several Industry identities both here and on the East Coast, they are as bemused as I am.
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    MR SW/R 9.9% !
    3 x G1 winners incl a (recent) Golden Slipper winner.
    Best track condition - Good
    Best distance range 1200 - 1700m

    Name a better credentialed stallion standing in WA ?

    Don't see anything in Gold Standard to excite me (109 live foals from 3 seasons standing), hence probably why no interest from anyone else either.
    Wouldn't buy him. Wouldn't send a mare to him.

    MR great for me.
    Been sending mares to him in Vic anyway (and buying some progeny), so now can stay in WA and get full WestSpeed.
    Yeehaa......

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    Manhattan Rain will have success here simply from being a well credentialed stallion in a shallow swimming pool. I did say in the very first line that his age was about the only negative and that he has in real terms only five years in him. He was an outstanding 2YO in Sydney and in a brief 11 race career almost made it at the highest level.

    As to you asking to name a better credentialed stallion standing in WA, Awesome Rock was a tough horse winning against seasoned campaigners and he has bright prospects producing 2 SW's from his first two crops of just 83 live foals. If he is supported in a similar way say to Manhattan Rain (14 sw's from 540 live foals of racing age).

    Gold Standard has barely had runners, so your statement about failing to get excited is something I can't agree with, but as with all opinion, it is just someone's view. Depending on who buys him today will largely determine his success at Stud and the opportunities presented.


  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    Tivers said:

    MR SW/R 9.9% !
    3 x G1 winners incl a (recent) Golden Slipper winner.
    Best track condition - Good
    Best distance range 1200 - 1700m

    Name a better credentialed stallion standing in WA ?

    Don't see anything in Gold Standard to excite me (109 live foals from 3 seasons standing), hence probably why no interest from anyone else either.
    Wouldn't buy him. Wouldn't send a mare to him.

    MR great for me.
    Been sending mares to him in Vic anyway (and buying some progeny), so now can stay in WA and get full WestSpeed.
    Yeehaa......
    Just curious, did you take a financial position in Manhattan Rain ?
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Yep, were booking 3 mares to him this year regardless.
    Sent two to him last year, plus bought one.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    Another footnote, Gold Standard will now stand at powerhouse stud, Widden for $8,800. Obviously they didn't share your opinion of him.
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    One of the few numbers and $ would suggest.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    Gold Standard now a Gr 1 producer via Sheeza Belter. Strong WA connections invovled, well done to all.
  • NgawyniNgawyni    743 posts
    edited June 2022
    Tivers said:

    MR SW/R 9.9% !
    3 x G1 winners incl a (recent) Golden Slipper winner.

    Curious about these stats. As far as I can see Manhattan Rain has had only 2 x G1 winners and his SW/R is 4.2% (15 SWs from 358 runners) which is ok but not great.  

  • savethegamesavethegame    2,857 posts
    Gold Standard after Sheza Belter's win on Saturday his gone from 8.8k------ three days later 17.6k for this season service fee
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Ngawyni said:

    Tivers said:

    MR SW/R 9.9% !
    3 x G1 winners incl a (recent) Golden Slipper winner.

    Curious about these stats. As far as I can see Manhattan Rain has had only 2 x G1 winners and his SW/R is 4.2% (15 SWs from 358 runners) which is ok but not great.  



    Took my figures from R&S (cut and paste), but can't deny they don't add up per Arion

    Total Stakes WinnersTotal G1 WinnersTotal RunnersStakes Winners to Runners (AUS & NZ only)All 24 3 24 3 9.9%
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