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  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts

    TheDiva said:

    spinking said:

    Smith didn't play the victim. He was the victim of a 150 kph thunderbolt to the neck. Lucky only to have a headache could have been much worse

    Has he come out and said it's part of the game or does he just leave that to tv analysts like former captain Mark Taylor? He's basking in the same sympathy he got addicted to during his ban. L-)
    thats surely a joke.... hes probably not been able to string two words together since having his head knocked off... has he done an interview? 
    He was hit in the neck, not the head. And he's just shown the world he's vulnerable. I'd stop short of calling him soft, but you get the idea. More short stuff on the way methinks. No wonder they're comparing him to Bradman. :-@
    You do realise he was hit in the same area of the neck as the late Phil Hughes was?
    Nothing more needs to be said!
    What has that got to do with the severity of concussion-which has been described as mild? And for what it's worth Smith has said more than a 'couple of words'

  • TheDivaTheDiva    11,672 posts
    smith not playing 3rd test... I'd say more than a mild concussion... 
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    7,361 posts
    "soft"  ;)
  • TheDivaTheDiva    11,672 posts
    might be playing the victim....
  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts
    H-BOMBER said:

    "soft"  ;)

    Exactly.
  • saxonsaxoffsaxonsaxoff    173 posts
    Headingley is generally one of the more batsmen friendly pitches and Australia with a good recent record there, be interesting to see if they try and juice it up a bit to help jofra out. 
  • VillageKidVillageKid    1,468 posts
    Without Smith we are NO chance of winning this Test.
  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts
    edited August 21

    Without Smith we are NO chance of winning this Test.

    We're less of a chance now regardless. They've exposed his weakness and he'll now be bounced more than an alcoholic who doesn't know when he's had enough :-@
  • spinkingspinking    2,178 posts
    The way your carrying on Kramer you would think the bloke has never faced speed and bounce before. Just because he has copped one in the melon doesn't mean it's a deficiency in his game
  • NevershowsurpriseNevershowsurprise    699 posts

    Without Smith we are NO chance of winning this Test.

    We're less of a chance now regardless. They've exposed his weakness and he'll now be bounced more than an alcoholic who doesn't know when he's had enough :-@
    What weakness?

  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts
    spinking said:

    The way your carrying on Kramer you would think the bloke has never faced speed and bounce before. Just because he has copped one in the melon doesn't mean it's a deficiency in his game

    Got hit on the forearm too, didn't he? Had to be cleared of a break. As I said, soft.
  • spinkingspinking    2,178 posts
    I should have paid attention to what you said JJ.

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  • NevershowsurpriseNevershowsurprise    699 posts
    edited August 21

    spinking said:

    The way your carrying on Kramer you would think the bloke has never faced speed and bounce before. Just because he has copped one in the melon doesn't mean it's a deficiency in his game

    Got hit on the forearm too, didn't he? Had to be cleared of a break. As I said, soft.
    Faced almost 12,000 balls in test cricket alone. First time I’ve seen him hit in the head/neck.

    No weakness there.

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts

    spinking said:

    The way your carrying on Kramer you would think the bloke has never faced speed and bounce before. Just because he has copped one in the melon doesn't mean it's a deficiency in his game

    Got hit on the forearm too, didn't he? Had to be cleared of a break. As I said, soft.
    Faced almost 12,000 balls in test cricket alone. First time I’ve seen him hit in the head/neck.

    No weakness there.

    How many more runs did he score after he was hit? He's missing a game, Archer isn't. It will be a tactic going forward.
  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts
    @TheDiva Feel free to ban me if you think I'm trolling. 
  • saxonsaxoffsaxonsaxoff    173 posts
    Archer has played 1 test on the most bowler friendly wicket of all time and taken 5 wickets. The ball isn't going to deck sideways in the next test. He will run out of steam on a flat headingly pitch pretty quickly. If warner gets through the 1st 10 overs (big if at the moment), he will hit a ton.

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  • TiversTivers    7,173 posts
    edited August 22
    I would think getting knocked in to next week would be an exposed weakness for any batsman.
    Fatal even for one recent one, at least (has been lower grade deaths as well).
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    7,361 posts
    It seems Steve Smith and Jaoa Moreira have at least one thing in common looking at this thread.

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts
    Tivers said:

    I would think getting knocked in to next week would be an exposed weakness for any batsman.
    Fatal even for one recent one, at least (has been lower grade deaths as well).

    Anything that slows down his scoring rate and/or lowers his average is a weakness to exploit. He is happy to leave countless deliveries so they attack him by bowling AT him. Every side in world  cricket will follow the poms' blueprint or they will perish.
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    7,361 posts
    Gee I hope Steve Smith doesn't decide to become a jockey in Hong Kong
  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts
    H-BOMBER said:

    It seems Steve Smith and Jaoa Moreira have at least one thing in common looking at this thread.

    It was Joao's DREAM to ride in Japan. Did he wake up?  ;)) :)] I-)
  • NevershowsurpriseNevershowsurprise    699 posts

    Tivers said:

    I would think getting knocked in to next week would be an exposed weakness for any batsman.
    Fatal even for one recent one, at least (has been lower grade deaths as well).

    Anything that slows down his scoring rate and/or lowers his average is a weakness to exploit. He is happy to leave countless deliveries so they attack him by bowling AT him. Every side in world  cricket will follow the poms' blueprint or they will perish.
    Bowling at him is exactly what Steve Smith thrives on, he walks across into the line of the ball almost every delivery anyway. Fast bowlers have being trying to bowl short trash at him for years, not sure why you think this will be a revolutionary tactic. Maybe you should watch more cricket to get a better understanding of how he actually plays.

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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    7,361 posts

    H-BOMBER said:

    It seems Steve Smith and Jaoa Moreira have at least one thing in common looking at this thread.

    It was Joao's DREAM to ride in Japan. Did he wake up?  ;)) :)] I-)
    Ill give you one thing @therealkramer, your relentless commentary on these guys takes some doing and you could almost admire such passion in a twisted sick sense  :))

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts
    H-BOMBER said:

    H-BOMBER said:

    It seems Steve Smith and Jaoa Moreira have at least one thing in common looking at this thread.

    It was Joao's DREAM to ride in Japan. Did he wake up?  ;)) :)] I-)
    Ill give you one thing @therealkramer, your relentless commentary on these guys takes some doing and you could almost admire such passion in a twisted sick sense  :))
    I do try.  O:-)
  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts

    Tivers said:

    I would think getting knocked in to next week would be an exposed weakness for any batsman.
    Fatal even for one recent one, at least (has been lower grade deaths as well).

    Anything that slows down his scoring rate and/or lowers his average is a weakness to exploit. He is happy to leave countless deliveries so they attack him by bowling AT him. Every side in world  cricket will follow the poms' blueprint or they will perish.
    Bowling at him is exactly what Steve Smith thrives on, he walks across into the line of the ball almost every delivery anyway. Fast bowlers have being trying to bowl short trash at him for years, not sure why you think this will be a revolutionary tactic. Maybe you should watch more cricket to get a better understanding of how he actually plays.

    I'm not sure how his technique is related to his aggression? Some players don't move at all, some are like Cliff Young. Whatever got them to that level obviously works. However, Smith got hit, not one, but twice. He retired hurt and didn't last long after he came back. He will now miss a test. If you're an opposition bowler, you want to see this: cracks in a batsman's psyche are almost as good as cracks on a pitch
  • NevershowsurpriseNevershowsurprise    699 posts
    edited August 22

    Tivers said:

    I would think getting knocked in to next week would be an exposed weakness for any batsman.
    Fatal even for one recent one, at least (has been lower grade deaths as well).

    Anything that slows down his scoring rate and/or lowers his average is a weakness to exploit. He is happy to leave countless deliveries so they attack him by bowling AT him. Every side in world  cricket will follow the poms' blueprint or they will perish.
    Bowling at him is exactly what Steve Smith thrives on, he walks across into the line of the ball almost every delivery anyway. Fast bowlers have being trying to bowl short trash at him for years, not sure why you think this will be a revolutionary tactic. Maybe you should watch more cricket to get a better understanding of how he actually plays.

    I'm not sure how his technique is related to his aggression? Some players don't move at all, some are like Cliff Young. Whatever got them to that level obviously works. However, Smith got hit, not one, but twice. He retired hurt and didn't last long after he came back. He will now miss a test. If you're an opposition bowler, you want to see this: cracks in a batsman's psyche are almost as good as cracks on a pitch
    What’s aggression got to do with anything? Your line of argument is he is soft and weak.

    Weak batsmen that are worried about being hit don’t move into the line of the ball. Simple.

    I get you’re trying to move the goal posts but no need, Smith got hit, soft he ain’t.

    Steve Waugh one of our most courageous batsmen of all time by perception got hit about 10 times in an innings in the West Indies by Ambrose and Walsh.


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  • TheDivaTheDiva    11,672 posts

    @TheDiva Feel free to ban me if you think I'm trolling. 

    i dont really care myself... most are onto it...  ;)

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    11,672 posts

    spinking said:

    The way your carrying on Kramer you would think the bloke has never faced speed and bounce before. Just because he has copped one in the melon doesn't mean it's a deficiency in his game

    Got hit on the forearm too, didn't he? Had to be cleared of a break. As I said, soft.
    Faced almost 12,000 balls in test cricket alone. First time I’ve seen him hit in the head/neck.

    No weakness there.

    How many more runs did he score after he was hit? He's missing a game, Archer isn't. It will be a tactic going forward.
    actually, his scoring rate after he came back was 12 runs off 8 balls, so the hit didnt lower his scoring rate at all... 
  • therealkramertherealkramer    6,883 posts
    edited August 22

    Tivers said:

    I would think getting knocked in to next week would be an exposed weakness for any batsman.
    Fatal even for one recent one, at least (has been lower grade deaths as well).

    Anything that slows down his scoring rate and/or lowers his average is a weakness to exploit. He is happy to leave countless deliveries so they attack him by bowling AT him. Every side in world  cricket will follow the poms' blueprint or they will perish.
    Bowling at him is exactly what Steve Smith thrives on, he walks across into the line of the ball almost every delivery anyway. Fast bowlers have being trying to bowl short trash at him for years, not sure why you think this will be a revolutionary tactic. Maybe you should watch more cricket to get a better understanding of how he actually plays.

    I'm not sure how his technique is related to his aggression? Some players don't move at all, some are like Cliff Young. Whatever got them to that level obviously works. However, Smith got hit, not one, but twice. He retired hurt and didn't last long after he came back. He will now miss a test. If you're an opposition bowler, you want to see this: cracks in a batsman's psyche are almost as good as cracks on a pitch
    What’s aggression got to do with anything? Your line of argument is he is soft and weak.

    Weak batsmen that are worried about being hit don’t move into the line of the ball. Simple.

    I get you’re trying to move the goal posts but no need, Smith got hit, soft he ain’t.

    Steve Waugh one of our most courageous batsmen of all time by perception got hit about 10 times in an innings in the West Indies by Ambrose and Walsh.


    I'm glad you brought up Steve Waugh. No way he carries on like Smith. Moving into the line of a ball that is not going to hit you is not the same as avoiding a short pitched delivery. I'm not questioning Smith's greatness but if you don't think sides will hammer him with short balls now, you're kidding yourself.
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