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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited August 2022
    Did you note the time though? Farcical pace or lack thereof and it looked that way to the eye, this doesn't suit her but maybe that's the norm there(I think they run races too slow in Europe generally)but north of 2 minutes 8 seconds which is over 5 seconds outside standard for 2000m is rather slow.

    Only watched it once live but their positions in the run probably stayed similar all the way to the line.

    Not sure does she have one more run before the Arc?

    Always thought it might be a stretch for her to win or even run top 4 in a prestigious race like the Arc but 2400 and hopefully good pace will suit her better, I'd get Jmac over to ride her too no doubt.
  • savethegamesavethegame    2,968 posts
    V,E. in eight  previous first-up runs  her record is one win from 8 starts always has a trial to kick a campaign off. On three occasion's she had two trials and always kicked  off with a 1400m race  then her second up card reads 8 starts 5 wins one second.---Here she starts firstup at 2000m 

    Frankie rode her a treat looked after her  presented exactly  at the right time she sprinted for only a 100 metres at this stage you have  to be thinking shes had a massive blowout in terms of fitness level's the longest she has been away from racing in  four years,--The older she gets the longer she may take to come.up  seven yearold mare- Two more runs will explain all------ maybe shes had enough? the desire may have gone; 
  • VoodooVoodoo    1,309 posts
    She's not the greatest mover at the best of times but she looked very ordinary in her action during the run....maybe some sort of issue but against that opposition I expected a bit more.

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    first thing i noticed was the time... without knowing anything about the track condition... 2.08 is pedestrian for 2000m. Bold success ran that on a soft 6 on Saturday! 

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  • savethegamesavethegame    2,968 posts
    Time only counts in jail------ Over there when it comes to horse racing-------.Horse Zeyrek that trIaled like a bomb behind the horse that ran second in this years Golden Slipper Best of Bordeaux. two weeks ago.

    Zeyrek  his second last start was at Deauville before coming to Australia . raced on a good track   he got beat they ran 3.04.12 for 2800m 15.2metres a second.----- Same place were V.E raced her race was  run at 15.6 metres /sec both races were on good tracks  ----The last two Melb Cups they ran them at 16.2metres a second. for 3200m.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,099 posts
    Supposedly may have raced lame
  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    585 posts
    7yo mare with $14m in the bank, not sure what there is to prove other than feeding Brae’s ego

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  • Precision1Precision1    555 posts

    7yo mare with $14m in the bank, not sure what there is to prove other than feeding Brae’s ego

    On the other hand she’s a freak of a mare, hardly a blue blood so in the breeding barn success is unlikely.  If it’s not hurting her why not go for it and push on?  Her legacy as a champion of Aus racing will not be deminished should she fail again.

    And I’m no Sokolski fan, actually can’t stand the bloke 

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  • PCPC    2,257 posts
    Verry Elleegant - 3rd in the G2 Prix Foy (2400m).

    Also, Verry Elleegant become the first Australian Group 1 winner to race in the Prix Foy in 25 years. The last was Nothin’ Leica Dane who ran 2nd in 1997. 


    Gerald Mosse rode Nothin Leica Dane in that 1997 Prix Foy (then a Group 3). Nothin Leica Dane also ran in the 1997 Arc but finished well back

  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Didn't know that about Nothin Leica Dane or had forgotten(i loved that horse, they phukd him racing on heavy ground in the Cup as a 3yo imo).
    Fondly remember that glorious day when Gold Ace won a straight race earlier and i had it all up into NLD in the VRC Derby when he beat Octagonal..it was fillup city!

    Anyway enough reminiscing, back to VE.
    Jockey led on her for probably the first time ever that I recall, she stuck on well the winner surged late from last and she was beaten just over a length in a time of 2.36 something on soft ground.

    Sokolski was bullish enough to at least suggest the Arc is still on the agenda as her next race, i wouldn't give her much of a chance but with a much bigger field more genuine pace plus not leading you never know I guess.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    I thought it was a good run... not suited leading and got keen early... she fought on like a bulldog. 

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  • PCPC    2,257 posts
    I thought the run by Verry Elleegant was fair. The field wasn't very strong and in my opinion she should of been beating them. I know she led but there wasn't much pressure up front.

    She will have to improve to run well in the Arc. Another option is the G1 2800m mares race on Arc day. Anyway let's wait and see.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,295 posts
    sokolski and his mate khier own some very good horses..have a few in the melb. cup.

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited September 2022
    Yep Loft an import they have bought into, another one who may not be good enough Interpretation is its name and I think there is another one whose name i've forgotten.

    *Spanish Mission
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,295 posts
    spanish mission is top weight and early fave.

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,099 posts
    Verry Elleegant is among big names in danger of missing the cut for the oversubscribed Arc

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    thefalcon said:

    spanish mission is top weight and early fave.




    Paid up 2nd acceptance today then OUT with a tendon injury hours later.The "moneybags crew" will have to see if they can buy another top chance on short notice...
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts

    Verry Elleegant is among big names in danger of missing the cut for the oversubscribed Arc




    About 160 to 180,000 Euro the next acceptance fee is too I read.
    Also some commentary they may consider increasing the field size as has happened in the past, some silly bet type only caters for a Max of 20 runners apparently but they may circumnavigate that if required.

    Zahra flying over to ride, something they should have done from the start engage a jockey who knows her JMAC would have been better again(neither would never have led last start) but I suppose it isn't practical given the distance etc.
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    22nd looks like she definitely won't run.
    Dropped 7 ratings points according to the frog's, good move team Sokolski now idk if she is past her best on the current prep and let's be honest she was never going to win or probably even place there but it sure looks like a ballsup now..meanwhile a crack at another MC(after her dominance last year)goes down the crapper.

    Those Frenchies hey...cest no more ;))
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,295 posts
    cannot blame the gauls, thunder. connections must have known there was some sort of risk trecking over there in an endeavour to feed their huge egos.
    the mare may be about to quote mme. de gaulle...in my retirement i am looking forward to 'appyness.*
    * which came out as "a penis".
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited September 2022
    thefalcon said:

    cannot blame the gauls, thunder. connections must have known there was some sort of risk trecking over there in an endeavour to feed their huge egos.

    the mare may be about to quote mme. de gaulle...in my retirement i am looking forward to 'appyness.*
    * which came out as "a penis".



    :))

    Trainer is blaming some frenchie for the 7 ratings points drop though Falc..that's racing I guess and a bit of a ballsup I'd call it, as long as the mare is well.

    Might well be retirement time for her she was a great galloper in Aus and doesn't lose any gloss from me for embarking on "Brae's excellent adventures" without success.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,295 posts
    hells bells, she's won $14mio, what more do they want her to do, she's 7yo ffs. all sokolski wants to do is put on a beret, wrap a red bandana around his neck and puff on a gauloir cigarette and get his pic in Le Soir.

    either leave the great mare in europe/uk to be served by one of their stallions or bring her home for one of ours.

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,099 posts

     RP's Sam Hendry reports;

    ???? A busy and dramatic day on the road to the Arc began with the
    news that Adayar, who was fourth in the race last year and third favourite this
    time around, was to be scratched from the race and aimed at
    Ascot and a clash with Baaeed in the Qipco Champion Stakes instead.

     

    That freed up his regular jockey
    William Buick, who now looks set to partner Mishriff in the big one on Sunday,
    where the maximum field size of 20 will be retained
    despite there being 24 horses currently entered and a 25th expected to be added
    this morning in the shape of Verry Elleegant.

     

    'It's strange that they haven't
    found a better way of resolving this'

     

    That news was not welcomed by Yann
    Lerner, the trainer of 14-1 shot La Parisienne, who labelled the decision
    "surreal" and "incomprehensible" with his filly one of
    those in danger of missing the cut.

     

    ???? He said:
    "We're in a country that is a little bit different when it comes to these
    matters but it's nonetheless strange that they haven't found a better way of
    resolving this on a wide track like Longchamp with the rail at its innermost.

     

    "We've seen Arcs in the past
    with more than 20 runners but we need to be philosophical and patiently wait to
    see if something comes out. For me it’s a real shame if anyone is eliminated,
    regardless of whether it's us." 

     

    ????️ It then emerged that Longchamp officials had watered the track
    on Sunday, a decision that was questioned by the
    connections of Mishriff after 9mm of rain on Tuesday turned the ground good to
    soft, soft in places with the prospect of more to come.

     

    It was described as "an
    interesting move" by Ted Voute, racing manager to Mishriff's owner Prince
    Faisal, with the John and Thady Gosden-trained star among many who would rather
    avoid the sort of bottomless ground the Arc has been held on for each of the last
    three years - a prospect that is beginning to look more likely.

  • PCPC    2,257 posts
    thefalcon said:

    hells bells, she's won $14mio, what more do they want her to do, she's 7yo ffs. all sokolski wants to do is put on a beret, wrap a red bandana around his neck and puff on a gauloir cigarette and get his pic in Le Soir.


    either leave the great mare in europe/uk to be served by one of their stallions or bring her home for one of ours.



    Prize money isn't factored (nor should it be) when it comes to a horse's performance in races. The fact is currently her rating isn't high enough and fair enough too.

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    ^^ was waiting for your 2c worth LOL.

  • PCPC    2,257 posts
    And to clarify...the article link that I posted - the world handicappers mentioned in the article...they are the part of the Longines Handicapping team...the official ratings.

    Greg Carpenter was the Australian rep

    https://www.ifhaonline.org/default.asp?section=About IFHA&area=32

  • thefalconthefalcon    20,295 posts
    well, she's going around in the wfa mares race so lets see what happens....
    her age may have had a bearing on her being balloted from the arc..
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,099 posts
    Interesting because if she can't win that race she was never a hope in the Arc which I doubt she was anyway.

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