GP- 3yo Westbred Classics (Gp2)Harness & Greyhounds

VillageKid

Race 1-   Ten To The Dozen,  Vegas Strip,  Grevis,  Ideal Muscle

Race 2-   Acharne Girl,  Major Freeway,  Cheer The Major,  Lucca

Race 3-   Kimble,  Hoppys Way,  Whatabro,  Valentines Brook

Race 4-   August Moon,  Zephyra,  Purest Copper,  Our Lady Jen

Race 5-   Never Ending,  Louie Dior,  Skylord,  Magnus Victor

Race 6-   Let It Linga,  Elsamay,  Regal Cheval,  Simply Shaz

Race 7-   Mighty Ronaldo,  Jumpingjackmac,  Diego,  Wildwest

Race 8-   Watts Up Sunshine,  Soho Dow Jones,  Our Trump Card,  American Bullitt

Race 9-   Wonderful To Fly,  Sheez Our Hope,  Three Rumours,  Star Of Diamonds

Race 10- Im The Black Flash,  High Price,  Duty Bound,  Henwood Bay

Gilgamesh

First meeting that has had me up and about in a long time, even the races I'm not going to play look to have some good clashes. Time will tell if this actually adds up to a few collects!

R3 No5 Valentines Brook (win). Feel like 3rd run in back in grade it will be ready to give it a real shake.

R5 No10 All Is Well (1by4). To me this is his A1 race style. Suck up behind them while the better horse has to do a bit in the run, gaps late and explode before his mind gets a chance to think about what its actually doing out there.

R7 No4 Deigo (5by2). Wildwest hasn't won a race since the Feb22 Pacing Cup. Early was priced up like he is a bomb proof horse in form. I can see a world where Deigo can find the top, if so he won't lose. If not even in the breeze he will be hard to get past with a bit of cat and mouse between Jumpingjackmac and Mighty Ronaldo sitting on him-left to a 500m sprint he can hold them off.

R8 No9 Watts Up Sunshine (EW) best bet. Was a lot better odds early, not sure what he is everywhere (got $8 myself). I just thought class wise he had a lot on all of these outside maybe Cooper who is nowhere near his best and Soho Dow Jones who I might be able to use as his track in to it, that is if he doesn't ping and land in front of him. Great chance for Joseph Suvaljko to get a Friday night winner.

Good luck all.

Chris

Close Gilg

JayJay

Superb Never Ending, absolutely dominant when he pressed the go button.

Rocket_Reign

JayJay said:

Superb Never Ending, absolutely dominant when he pressed the go button.

What a horse, runs 27 quarters with ease. Hopefully something special for us to cheer for the next few seasons

Gilgamesh

Unbelievable Never Ending, how do they beat it in the Derby?

A Friday night victory for Joe Suvaljko gets me a good night on the punt, if you asked me at almost any point inside the first 2000m of the races I wouldn't have bad nice things to say but he knew what he was doing!

loose_goose

Rocket_Reign said:

JayJay said:

Superb Never Ending, absolutely dominant when he pressed the go button.

What a horse, runs 27 quarters with ease. Hopefully something special for us to cheer for the next few seasons

Just saw the replay, WOW

Markovina

Yeah sure Never Ending is a nice horse - but plenty on here 12mths back were calling Magnificent Storm a champion  which was utter - and proved to be total bullshiiit

That race last night - the winning driver in my opinion gets 10 out of 10 - and the horse which was 2nd fave at 3 to 1 and ran 3rd - and by the way was as good a run as the winner - well that driver gets 5 out of 10 

When Hall made his move coming in for the bell - the only cop out i can give J Young was she was nudged in the back of the head by the horse behind her - but to me the alertness wasnt their .You put TB Warwick on that breeze horse last night - he would have been waiting for Hall and as soon as he made his move he would have clicked up - the 2 options he would have been after - cross to the lead so Hall has to breeze - or post him 3 wide the final lap 

My opinion - which im entitled to on a racing forum - that race last night - given where the horses were in the run - given the sectionals - and given how they hit the line - you put Warwick on that breeze horse - it wins the race - simple as that 

And correct me if i am wrong - but thats not the first time G Hall has done that to J Young when ( and this is the important bit )  they are the only 2 horses under double figures . It might have been Never Mind The Chaos - who was the 2nd fave - because J Youngs horse had the more favourable draw . Again you come back to Warwick ( who was the best ever ) the thought process would have been - ive got the advantage of the draw and im not letting Hall being in front of me one step of the race 

No - Hall made the dashing mid race move again - and that was the end of the penny section

thefalcon

did i see right..g. hall jnr. drove a $60 winner...they are usually $1.50...

Chariotsonfire

I am prepared to go on record and say that Never Ending is the real deal and barring unforeseen circumstances he will become a Grand Circuit/Eureka candidate next season. He is much stronger and more versatile than Magnificent Storm.

Marko I detect that in your assessment you are actually hoping that he does not reach great heights so you can say I told you so.

Talking about drives from Friday, Star of Diamonds QP why not QDT when driver elected to hold out Wonderful To Fly and run last beaten 38.6m.

Gilgamesh

I'm not sure anyone was calling Magnificent Storm a champion-plenty were saying he was being poorly driven.

Markovina

Chariotsonfire said:

I am prepared to go on record and say that Never Ending is the real deal and barring unforeseen circumstances he will become a Grand Circuit/Eureka candidate next season. He is much stronger and more versatile than Magnificent Storm.

Marko I detect that in your assessment you are actually hoping that he does not reach great heights so you can say I told you so.

Talking about drives from Friday, Star of Diamonds QP why not QDT when driver elected to hold out Wonderful To Fly and run last beaten 38.6m.

You 2nd paragraph their - is the most UTTERLY  pathetic - in fact the worst post ever on any sports forum - in the history of sports forum 

WA need a champion pacer - if that happens to be Never Ending and it becomes another Im The Mighty Quinn - and dominates the Aust Pacing scene - then in my opinion that is utterly fantastic 

But this is a harness racing forum - i put my Pro punter goggles on  - i reckon right at this point Skylord is as good as it - and if  it is eligible for the Derby and it draws better than NE - and the most important point i was making - if it is driven in a dominant - best horse in the race fashion - then i think it can win the Derby 

Chariotsonfire

Obviously touched a nerve Marko but will not respond to your vitriol.

Time will tell with Never Ending and Skylord both extremely promising horses.

Markovina

Its not vitriol at all - i was responding to your nonsense

And go back to when they were 2 year olds 150k Golden Slipper

NE - gate 1 led all the way 2100 met - slick rate 1.55 .SL sits 1 by 3 - out 3 and 4 wide last 600 - ripper performance - runs 2nd beaten 3 and a half metres 

Any half decent form analyst would say there is nothing between those 2 horses - and that is the point i made in my original post - but for saying that im accused of permanently barracking against NE 

Gilgamesh

Markovina said:

Its not vitriol at all - i was responding to your nonsense

And go back to when they were 2 year olds 150k Golden Slipper

NE - gate 1 led all the way 2100 met - slick rate 1.55 .SL sits 1 by 3 - out 3 and 4 wide last 600 - ripper performance - runs 2nd beaten 3 and a half metres 

Any half decent form analyst would say there is nothing between those 2 horses - and that is the point i made in my original post - but for saying that im accused of permanently barracking against NE 

$10 available for the Derby with the local agency pro.

For what it's worth IMO end of career one will be a good Friday night horse the other will be a cups winner.

Chariotsonfire

Excerpts of Gary Hall's interview with Ken Casellas re. NEVER ENDING.
"I've driven only one horse who could do what he did tonight".
"I just don't know how good he could be".
"The only one who had speed like Never Ending was Quinny. He really excites me".

sonny

Thats the good thing about racing.. Everyone has an opinion and that sets markets and you bet accordingly or lay to your opinion...

Chariotsonfire

Skylord was far from impressive at Pinjarra yesterday.

Gilgamesh

Chariotsonfire said:

Skylord was far from impressive at Pinjarra yesterday.

Does it have a real lack of gate speed or was thst just an outcome of it being restrained hard yesterday?

If you dont have the capability to lead over here you are in a lot of trouble.

KTQ

Chariotsonfire said:

Skylord was far from impressive at Pinjarra yesterday.

In for Gateway GP Friday. Prob didn't needa gutbuster

Chariotsonfire

Don't disagree KTQ and the winner returned in great fashion but as you can see from previous posts on this thread one of our regulars has Skylord the equivalent of Never Ending and I am far from convinced.

Markovina

Didnt see the trial - i hope both those horses reach top company 

On their race clashes to date - i dont think there is anything between them - you have to factor in - one has been on the pegs - where as Skylord i think has been very game - wide in the last lap 

Biggest problem for Skylord - is there is no Albion Park or Melton type Metropolitan track in WA 

Rocket_Reign

Markovina said:

Didnt see the trial - i hope both those horses reach top company 

On their race clashes to date - i dont think there is anything between them - you have to factor in - one has been on the pegs - where as Skylord i think has been very game - wide in the last lap 

Biggest problem for Skylord - is there is no Albion Park or Melton type Metropolitan track in WA 

You don’t think there’s anything between Never Ending and Skylord? Am I reading this right?

Chariotsonfire

Talking about differences of opinion Race 3 Northam tonight.

Matt Young's best bet Race 3 No 1 Lurhsy at around even money.

Scott Hill's lay for the night the same horse and not tipped in his top four.

Only one can be right.

Markovina

Rocket_Reign said:

Markovina said:

Didnt see the trial - i hope both those horses reach top company 

On their race clashes to date - i dont think there is anything between them - you have to factor in - one has been on the pegs - where as Skylord i think has been very game - wide in the last lap 

Biggest problem for Skylord - is there is no Albion Park or Melton type Metropolitan track in WA 

You don’t think there’s anything between Never Ending and Skylord? Am I reading this right?

At this stage - that is my opinion on race track performances 

One thing i will say is - you have to be careful if you think or are saying young horses are going to reach the very top 

With both Skylord and Never Ending - as 3 yr olds if they led and a real proven top liner in Grant Dixons champ Leap to Fame who has got the runs on the board - a clean sweep of the 3 Derbys last year QLD/NSW/VIC all in great time 

Again just my opinion but Leap to Fame as a 3 yr old could sit outside either of those 2 WA 3 yr olds who lead - and it would crush either of them 

But i certainly wont be barracking against horses to be prooven right 

The more topline young horses the better

JayJay

This discussion has a certain deja vu about it from about 8 years ago when a certain very prominent poster at the time hung his petard on Kiwi Legend, stating that he wanted Beaudiene Boaz "in the field for the Derby" so he could get set a price about his declared choice, having "cleaned up" on it's previous only metro success when BB broke.

Sadly, his categorical posts at the time did not age well, Beaudiene won the derby and Kiwi Legend never rose to any great heights. Anyone who opposed his view at the time possibly got told they knew five eights of not much.

Gilgamesh

If i were to have an early investment theres as much as $6 around on Im The Black Flash for a place, that would be my shopping.

Markovina

JayJay said:

This discussion has a certain deja vu about it from about 8 years ago when a certain very prominent poster at the time hung his petard on Kiwi Legend, stating that he wanted Beaudiene Boaz "in the field for the Derby" so he could get set a price about his declared choice, having "cleaned up" on it's previous only metro success when BB broke.

Sadly, his categorical posts at the time did not age well, Beaudiene won the derby and Kiwi Legend never rose to any great heights. Anyone who opposed his view at the time possibly got told they knew five eights of not much.

8 years ago  !!!- get a life mate 

freodockers

JayJay said:

This discussion has a certain deja vu about it from about 8 years ago when a certain very prominent poster at the time hung his petard on Kiwi Legend, stating that he wanted Beaudiene Boaz "in the field for the Derby" so he could get set a price about his declared choice, having "cleaned up" on it's previous only metro success when BB broke.

Sadly, his categorical posts at the time did not age well, Beaudiene won the derby and Kiwi Legend never rose to any great heights. Anyone who opposed his view at the time possibly got told they knew five eights of not much.

Also remember a similar conversation 12 months ago re Mag Storm and poor old Aldo copping a flogging.
Until NE or Skylord go East and race against the best it is all simply opinions.
Good discussion though !!!

JayJay

That it is Freo, aside from pointless comparisons between Leap To Fame or whatever, but facts are important. Old mate has it as a trial, was actually a race on Monday. It has also lead and won 5 times, so not always wide in the last lap.

I actually thought Skylord pretty decent on Monday, hard making ground late on the back of a 27.4 last quarter but it did hang in a bit......and it was on a Melton/Albion Park type 1000m track.

$400k plus for Never Ending versus $126k Skylord , 12 wins versus 7 wins....speaks for itself at this stage though no knock on Skylord, good horse. But at the moment, any form analyst, decent or half decent or even ordinary, would need assessing for saying there is nothing between them.

Markovina

I dont like being called old mate - its like calling someone champ on the internet - it is clearly  a cheap shot 

And over the journey on this forum - i will put up my tipping record against yours any day of the week - it absolutely destroys it - re tipping - ive got runs on the board - and youve got none 

I have put up numerous double figure winners 20-1 30-1 40-1 pops - even a 100-1  fixed odds winner one night at Albany - and i give logical reasons why i think they can win 

You have very rarely - if ever - come on and said - look this is how   this  horse has raced its last couple of starts - this is how i see this race being run - this thing is $15 - its a great e/w bet - smash it off the boards - when have you posted that - basically never