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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    2,977 posts
    PC said:

    What do you think of its chances PC?
    I Always respect the trainer but not their top seed I don't think.Being way down in the weights is to advantage.





    Usually Melbourne Cup winners who have been down in the weights have been good.

    Future History didn't win by much and that's why the handicapper decided not to give him a weight penalty for the Melbourne Cup - he will stay on 50kg. The handicapper also said that Future History will have to go to another level to win the Melbourne Cup. Will that happen, I'm not sure.

    Maybe one for the exotic bets like trifectas and quartets. I'm not sure how strong The Bart Cummings will be in terms of form heading to the Melbourne Cup.

    Only three horses have done the Bart Cummings - Melbourne Cup Double:

    2016 - Almandin
    2000 - Brew
    1970 - Baghdad Note

    Ive enjoyed reading your posts on this Thread title - i use to follow the gallops  60s - 70s - 80s 

    You have named some great / champion horses 

    Re Baghdad Note - the old grey - who was that other grey that Bart had - might have won a couple of Caulfield Cups for Harry White and Midge Didham - use to sit outside the leader

    You listed a couple of champion mares - side by side - Analight - Cyril Beechey - and of course the great Leilani - well that must have been someones all time favourite horse - in Melb - because the Justice crew who are heavily involved in the Trotting - and there is a young girl who is just starting off as a driver ( goes allright ) and her name is Leilani Justice

    And finally you have also mentioned the best horse nearly ever in my opinion - the great horse Tobin Bronze who had a massive boom and a massive public following - and if i ever got back into owning pacers ( but i wont be ) but if i bought a couple of pacers at the yearling sales i would most definitely call them  Tobin Silver and Tobin Gold - and the quirks of racing the Silver one  would  probably be better 

    But i have enjoyed reading your serires of posts - listing all those great horses of yester year

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  • savethegamesavethegame    2,857 posts
    Marko Ming Dynasty was the other grey. Was the horse Roy Higgins was riding one morning when Harry White was going out on one as Higgins was coming in he was spewing because it was his race ride. & wanted to work it. He threw the reins at Bart in disgust before he dismounted they went over Barts head. Roy telling the story he was lucky Ming Dynasty was so quiet didn't move a inch

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  • savethegamesavethegame    2,857 posts
    Melham on Gold Trip in Caulfield Cup, he doesn't mind to let them wander in the lane
  • PCPC    2,221 posts
    Without A Fight - a 1kg weight penalty for the Melbourne Cup. Goes from 55.5kg to 56.5kg for the Melbourne Cup.

    https://www.racingvictoria.com.au/news/2023-10-23/without-a-fight-rises-in-the-weights-for-the-melbourne-cup

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Hope Zahra jumps off and gets back on Gold Trip.
    Tough choice he has to make but WAF may be a slight doubt at 3200(especially on a soft deck).
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,063 posts
    pistols at dawn with melham?

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    I think Zahra may have first refusal as he rides a lot for Maher/Eustace maybe they could swaperoo?
    I'll take a guess that he jumps back on subject to whether Gold Trip backs up this week.
    if they want to have their best cup chance do they back GT up this weekend? Idk ..
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited October 2023
    Speaking of the Cup or moreso the lead-ups.Tomorrow the Geelong Cup somewhat of a decent guide imo is run.

    My MC spec bet runs in it(hopefully Damien finds an unimpeded run this time)but I was having a close look at unsurprisingly another Maher/Eustace runner, Ashrun.
    Off the scene for almost 3 years serious injury tendon or the like i guess, has now had two runs back and particularly the last run at Flemington was a beauty.
    He is 8 now but very lightly raced due to the injury but I think their are signs he is going as good as 2020
    Way back then he ran a close 4th at Geelong(with 2kgs more weight, may have been topweight that day)and ran a fantastic 10th in nearly the fastest run cup ever.

    Is 45th in o.o.e so needs maybe a win or possibly only a placing in a group race 2400+(not sure on the place theory)to get a cup run but he is a maddie and $101 all in for the cup right now :D
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,063 posts
    there are over 100 maddies atm, thunder...
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Down to 51 contenders now Falc being only 14 days away.

    I'll look up the criteria as to whether a placing gets him into the race first but I'm pretty confident he runs a big race tomoz at Geelong.If yes I'll definitely have a dip I think.
    No worse than lunching 40/50 bucks on lotto and getting nada always ...

  • PCPC    2,221 posts
    Spanish Mission has a suspensory injury has been retired....not in Melbourne Cup. Was due to run in Geelong Cup on Wednesday but was scratched.

    Below - Melbourne Cup Order of entry as of today 24th October...just take out Spanish Mission. I assume Racing Victoria will send updated Melbourne Cup Order of Entry later in week

    2023-10-24-lexus-melbourne-cup-elimination-order-2nd-acc-oct-24-1-3.pdf





  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Hoo Ya Mal, Goldman and Emissary all out as well.

    I couldnt open that "link" PC not sure if it is one.
  • PCPC    2,221 posts
    The Group 3 Geelong Cup (2400m) today. This race has been a good guide to the Melbourne Cup: for those who like Melbourne Cup trifectas and quartets: since 1999 there has been 9 out of 23 years where the Geelong Cup winner has finished top 4 in the Melbourne Cup, that's an average of every 2.5 years and in 3 of those years the Geelong Cup/Melbourne Cup double was achieved.

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited October 2023
    I reckon if Ashrun places and being weighted at 51.5 he cruises up the order, that being the case because he will tick off a ballot clause he hasn't passed due to the very long absence.

    Also wanting Virtuous Circle to have a very good hitout.
    Lane is already on the board with a winner which I backed :D
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,063 posts
    maher tipped ashrun while interviewd at the valley yesterday when asked a tip for the great unwashed.. ;)

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Yes i saw that Falc, fav hard to beat but is definitely beatable and if my research is indeed accurate Ashrun will get a MC start if he at least places today.
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Who took my odds ? Just had to search far and wide to get the spec $101..has been wound in on my 3 usual corps boards to $51-61, cheeky bastards.
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited October 2023
    Great finish and nice run by Ashrun, jag result the winner.

    See what happens now if he goes up the order.
    *they just stated on racing.com what I was saying, so $101 will be a good price against his probable s.p.
    Albeit there should be a little question mark on todays result and the number of horses finishing together.
    More Felons was also a good cup trial.
  • PCPC    2,221 posts
    Yes Ashrun was $101 for the Melbourne Cupp, now $34..with Sportsbet. Drops to 51.5kg for the Cup. I guess it's a question of if he makes the final field.
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    I think he will be in when they update the o.o.e later PC.

    Is going to jump close to 20 spots and was 41st so I'd say a spot in the 24 is a formality.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,847 posts
    edited October 2023

    RP Reports....


    Frankie Dettori will miss the chance to win next month's Lexus Melbourne Cupone of the few major races not on his glittering CV, after being suspended for a combined 16 days for overuse of the whip on two of his British Champions Day rides.

     

    Dettori was found to have used his whip once above the permitted level of six strikes in the final two furlongs aboard the John and Thady Gosden-trained Trawlerman in the Qipco British Champions Long Distance Cup.

  • thefalconthefalcon    20,063 posts
    you could give it a 5kg weight reduction and it still couldn't win.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,063 posts
    ^^ woops got the 2 A's mixed up..the above comment relates to the winner, Amade.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,063 posts
    PC, i read where McEvoy was on okita soushi for joseph o'brien.

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Not enough updates still had not updated the o.o.e when I looked earlier today, Ashrun still down in 41st - 45th in various lists.How hard is it to have all in one graphic a list of the horses current position AND the known jocks at this stage all in one place.



  • PCPC    2,221 posts
    thefalcon said:

    PC, i read where McEvoy was on okita soushi for joseph o'brien.




    Ok
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