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Caulfield Cup 21 October 2023.

East Coast Racing
ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
edited October 2023 East Coast Racing
Gold Trip has accepted and Ben Melham nabs the ride.
He has postponed his suspension apparently, this practice i thought they had nipped the bud clearly not.

Barrier draw is on in a couple of hours.

None are even double figure odds i dont think but I may back 3 horses.
1.Gold Trip is a huge chance even with topweight, just hope he draws well.
2.Soulcombe, he is going great guns and 3.Without A Fight who was terriffic first up, haven't seen his peak yet I reckon.
Tempted to back that one that ran second to Gold Trip(name escapes me just now)but it would be mainly to stop it winning :D.
Should be a cracking edition this year with easily half a dozen good winning chances.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,037 posts
    suspended suspension again..fair dinkum...
    worse still is the Kah saga, her alleged drug offence deferred until mid november....gives her a chance to ride right thru the carnival....that is completely wrong. its a wonder senior jockeys did not question that.

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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,779 posts
    No nash on Montifilier, what happened there??
  • tonytony    2,384 posts
    suspended today and elected to start immeniately,

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited October 2023
    Yep he wants to ride Fangirl in the Cox Plate.

    Gold Trip drew the same gate as last year is he going better? on the last run, id say yes.
    Of the others in the market Barriers drawn are :
    Without A Fight 7
    Breakup 5
    Montefilia 9
    West Wind Blows 2
    Soulcombe 6
    Francesca Guardi 15

    Waller was pretty bullish about Soulcombe when interviewed yesterday.
    Lane was not that wrapped in gate 5, suggestions are West Wind Blows might get buried from his low gate(hope so lol)

    I found one in R7 I like Waltz On By, her last run was huge and drawn better here I think she can roll the fav.
    Don't worry about 0/5 at the track there have been excuses, her early runs were close up finishes in a B.D prelude and the finale when beaten under 3 lengths.
    Is 2/3 at the trip and the other start was her last when beaten just 0.6L when charging late.
    Also has saluted 3rd up in her last 2 preps..giddyup.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,826 posts
    edited October 2023
    Thunderstruck said:Waller was pretty bullish about Soulcombe when interviewed yesterday.

    Waller had also declared
    Francesco would be favourite for Melbourne Cup after it wins the Caulfield Cup

    Former Weld trained runner Duke De Sessa has very good form in Ireland over this more suitable distance and is a great each way chance at currently $34 
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    When did he say that Slip?
    It was not on Tuesday just gone that's for sure.He clearly suggested his top seed is Soulcombe who "is at the right distance now to do something special" he said it I heard it :D
    Chrisso as his friends call him is not an over the top spruiker of his horses imo.

    He did suggest the other two could win without surprising.Francesca is drawn poorly and will concede good turn of foot horses maybe too much ground imo. Montefilia has won just 1 of her last 13 and winning 2 in a row isn't something she does, however probably has sufficient class if somehow she had another "on" day so soon.

    I'll be very sursprised if the Duke beats the topweighted stablemate home..where do you think he can or will position in the run?


    Lastly, i hope United Nations gets a run(scratch the Duke Ciaron haha), it would be good to see Carleen Hefel have a ride..I would actually have a spec on that runner if it starts.
  • PCPC    2,217 posts
    edited October 2023
    I reckon United Nations is due to win something. Lightly raced stayer. Maybe being aimed at the Melbourne Cup? In the right stable - Maher/Eustace.

    I saw odds of $201 on Bet365 and $151 on Sportsbet last week for United Nations in regards to the Melbourne Cup. Ran 2nd in the G2 Herbert Power Stakes last week.

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    PC said:

    I reckon United Nations is due to win something. Lightly raced stayer. Maybe being aimed at the Melbourne Cup? In the right stable - Maher/Eustace.

    I saw odds of $201 on Bet365 and $151 on Sportsbet last week for United Nations in regards to the Melbourne Cup. Ran 2nd in the G2 Herbert Power Stakes last week.



    Lightweight chance he could be.
    Is 45th in the order of entry so will need to win something of a qualifying nature to get a run, maybe too late for this year and a 2024 prospect?
  • PCPC    2,217 posts

    PC said:

    I reckon United Nations is due to win something. Lightly raced stayer. Maybe being aimed at the Melbourne Cup? In the right stable - Maher/Eustace.

    I saw odds of $201 on Bet365 and $151 on Sportsbet last week for United Nations in regards to the Melbourne Cup. Ran 2nd in the G2 Herbert Power Stakes last week.



    Lightweight chance he could be.
    Is 45th in the order of entry so will need to win something of a qualifying nature to get a run, maybe too late for this year and a 2024 prospect?



    He probably had to win the Herbert Power, and get a weight penalty to make a significant move up the Melbourne Cup Order of Entry. But even then he might of still been outside the top 24 (before attrition rate).

    But who knows.. between now and Cup day the attrition rate might kick in. Have to wait and see.
  • tonytony    2,384 posts
    Nash is still out for the Cox Plate, If he had ridden in the Caulfield Cup he would have missed the Melbourne Cup but elected to be available for the biggest cup.
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    tony said:

    Nash is still out for the Cox Plate, If he had ridden in the Caulfield Cup he would have missed the Melbourne Cup but elected to be available for the biggest cup.



    Yeh I see that now, originally yesterday they said he would be riding in the Cox Plate.
    Know what he is riding in the big one? It is a fair sacrifice to make.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,826 posts
    edited October 2023
    SLIPPERGOLDEN said: Thunderstruck said:



    Thunderstruck said:When did he say that Slip?
    It was not on Tuesday just gone that's for sure.He clearly suggested his top seed is Soulcombe 

    Quoted on
     Foxtel show That's Racing aired Wednesday. Tongue in cheek response to a question perhaps? One way or another obviously pleased with the horse's progress. On the same show was an interview with one of the part owners (plenty of them) of Soulcombe
  • PCPC    2,217 posts
    Interesting stat in regards to Gold Trip and the 58.5kg he has to carry in the Caulfield Cup..

    17 horses have attempted to win the Caulfield Cup with 58.5kg or more since 1972 - when metric weights were first used.

    Hyperno (2nd with 59kg, 1980) is the best result. Anthony Van Dyke (2nd with 58.5kg, 2020), Kingston Town (3rd with 60kg, 1980) and Gunsynd (3rd with 62kg, 1972) were the others to place.

    Since 1993, only two horses have run in the Caulfield Cup with at least 58.5kg - Subzero (12th, 1993) and Anthony Van Dyke (2nd, 2020)

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,826 posts
    Gold Trip may be a doubtful starter.

    My selections are;

    Duke De Sessa
    Breakup
    Valiant King
    Okita Soushi
    Without A Fight

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  • jumjum    3,518 posts
    Without A Fight, Breakup Quinella
  • savethegamesavethegame    2,835 posts
    jum said:

    Without A Fight, Breakup Quinella

    Has Without A Fight been given the all clear to race had to pass the vet today ?. Last year they pulled him out of the Zipping classic
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,826 posts
    edited October 2023
    That Waller quote regarding Francesco was during an interview conducted by Charlie Duckworth and the impression I got is that obviously the ultimate aim is the Melbourne Cup but he believes it can win the Caulfield Cup.

    I Noticed I forgot to include in my selections but I would put into the top 5.

    The Soulcombe part owner interviewed on That's Racing show was Jack Riewoldt
  • PCPC    2,217 posts
    Nonconformist - scratched.

    United Nations - in
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,037 posts
    i was half listening to racing.com last evening and they mentioned a jock who had not ridden all week, saving up for tomorrow..i missed his name as i was reading at the same time...
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited October 2023

    Gold Trip may be a doubtful starter.


    My selections are;

    Duke De Sessa
    Breakup
    Valiant King
    Okita Soushi
    Without A Fight




    If the Duke runs top 4 I'll eat it .. :P

    Why is GT doubtful? Still conjecture about the track? Maher is trying to coerce ole mate track guy to chuck an extra 3 mill of water on..do it!

    Good to see the emergency get a run..at those huge odds I'll be having something on..it will probably beat the Duke home too haha.

    PC .. Northerly won with 58 only half a keg less and 2400 was probably his limit.
    GT has earnt the weight and shat in over 2 miles with 57.5 and arguably is in better nick now..those who disregard him are doing so at their own peril.
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    thefalcon said:

    i was half listening to racing.com last evening and they mentioned a jock who had not ridden all week, saving up for tomorrow..i missed his name as i was reading at the same time...




    Jmac mate.

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,826 posts
    Correct re GT and track condition as well as J Mac.

    Joseph O'Brien quotes from UK press;

    "Okita Soushi is in great shape and this has been his target. His preparation has gone well. We would have preferred a better draw but we're hoping for a good run from him."

    "Valiant King has a lovely light weight and a nice draw. He's prepared well and with a bit of luck in running, they can hopefully pick up some prize-money."
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Gate 1 for VK is awful Slip, no? As bad as 18 unless their going to lead? Okita drawn right next to GT hopefully gives the toppie a nice Cart into the race.
    Why dont you rate WWB?

    All in all a fascinating edition.I honestly can see GT getting all the favours(which he will need with 58.5), only downer is Zahra isn't on.Though Melham also has a devil may care attitude in the pigskin.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,037 posts
    GT doubtful if there is no rain....depends then on track rating.
  • PCPC    2,217 posts

    Gold Trip may be a doubtful starter.


    My selections are;

    Duke De Sessa
    Breakup
    Valiant King
    Okita Soushi
    Without A Fight




    If the Duke runs top 4 I'll eat it .. :P

    Why is GT doubtful? Still conjecture about the track? Maher is trying to coerce ole mate track guy to chuck an extra 3 mill of water on..do it!

    Good to see the emergency get a run..at those huge odds I'll be having something on..it will probably beat the Duke home too haha.

    PC .. Northerly won with 58 only half a keg less and 2400 was probably his limit.
    GT has earnt the weight and shat in over 2 miles with 57.5 and arguably is in better nick now..those who disregard him are doing so at their own peril.



    I won't he doubting Gold Trip. I'm just saying that a horse carrying 58.5kg (or more) in a Caulfield Cup - its still a difficult assignment.

    He has certainly earned that weight as well.

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  • jumjum    3,518 posts
    jum said:

    Without A Fight, Breakup Quinella

    I also do not mind Hoo Ya Mal. I have had a sneaky $20 to win Both Cups for $5K collect
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,826 posts
    edited October 2023
    WWB obviously a big chance Thunder and the race appears very even. Jockey Spencer was another that announced his retirement and then changed his mind. Got the hump after Qatar Racing sacked him in 2014
  • detonatordetonator    4,368 posts
    Good luck trying to pick the winner of this years CC. Hardest race to find the winner I have ever seen.  #-o
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,037 posts
    harder to pick than a broken nose..... #-o
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    I don't tip as I am useless, I don't bet on horses either.

    But Chris Waller is a Gr 1 genius and his Mare, Montefilia drops in weight from her last start win and from the middle of the barriers she gets to sit off the pace on her favourite surface. At 10/1 she is a proper staying bet.
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