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GP- J.P Stratton Cup (Gp2)

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GP
Race 1-   Ima Fivestar General,  American Arma,  Rockaball,  Firerockfireroll
Race 2-   Tricky Miki,  Otis,  Rocknroll Elliot,  Machnificent
Race 3-   Chal Patch,  Pinny Tiger,  Alcopony,  Cordero
Race 4-   Vampiro,  Valentines Brook,  Patronus Star,  Blitzembye
Race 5-   Diego,  Steel The Show,  Magnificent Storm,  Jumpingjackmac
Race 6-   Turn The Page,  Rocknroll Sass,  Miss Sassy,  Mighthavtime
Race 7-   Im The Black Flash,  October Reign,  Rambo Rabbit,  Bellezza Nera
Race 8-   Skylou,  Magnus Victor,  Soho Firestone,  Rock Artist
Race 9-   Infinite Sign,  High Price,  Path Of Gold,  Maddys Nino
Race 10- Marengo Bay,  Tricky Ric,  Bee Bee Beroc,  Stay Focused
Race 11- Xceptional Arma,  Heartofahlia,  World Secret,  Douseeme

Bunbury
R1- Star Of Kaos
R2- Lord Titanium
R3- Cry Havoc
R4- Captains Beachbabe
R5- Alfa Princess
R6- Dourado
R7- Navy Street  
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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,752 posts
    I 100% agree Star Of Kaos to break the maiden at start 43, funny tonthink $7 on a 42 start non winner seems a good price.

    R2 I might have a small EW Mr Fantastic as i thinknhe leads.
    R3 I still think the $3 about Pinny Tiger is great shopping, surely he leads throughout here.
    R5 Im on my mate Jumping Jack Mac at the $4 a place.
    R8 Elwadell EW LBH been having some good results lately.

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  • ciscocisco    806 posts
    Hope you are right in race 3 VK  [-O<

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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,752 posts
    R9 Couple of dollars EW on Cavalry Call getting some luck late he will be closing off @1million to 1.

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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,752 posts
    Pronably have to take $1.50 gor him to do it at start 44 now!

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  • ChrisChris    5,248 posts
    He’ll be in a few black books :))
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Navy Street terrific ew bet in last at Bunbury.
  • ChrisChris    5,248 posts
    Well done cisco

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    My mate SS Blitzembye one of the most honest blokes you’d ever meet and driving ability to match.

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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,856 posts
    The sectional times from Never Ending's workout after Race 3.

    27.9, 29.5, 30.1, 29.9, 28.5 and 28.5.

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  • JayJayJayJay    7,685 posts
    "Free For All" Results since the  beginning of August:

    4/8  Watching Our Coin Gate 3  GSL 1
    11/8 Tenzing Bromac Gate 6      GSL 1
    18/8 Himself Gate 1                   GSL 1
    25/8 Mighty Ronaldo Gate 2      GSL 1
    1/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 1   GSL 1
    8/9 Wild West Gate 1                 GSL 1
    15/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 4 GSL 1
    22/9 Steel The Show Gate 5     GSL 1
    29/9 Tenzing Bromac Gate 1     GSL 1
    6/10 Minstrel Gate 1                  GSL 1
    13/10 J J Mac Gate 1                GSL 1
    20/10 Blitzembye Gate 1           GSL 2
    27/10 Diego Gate 1                   GSL 1

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts

    The sectional times from Never Ending's workout after Race 3.


    27.9, 29.5, 30.1, 29.9, 28.5 and 28.5.
    And what was the purpose of it ???
  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    162 posts
    JayJay said:

    "Free For All" Results since the  beginning of August:

    4/8  Watching Our Coin Gate 3  GSL 1
    11/8 Tenzing Bromac Gate 6      GSL 1
    18/8 Himself Gate 1                   GSL 1
    25/8 Mighty Ronaldo Gate 2      GSL 1
    1/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 1   GSL 1
    8/9 Wild West Gate 1                 GSL 1
    15/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 4 GSL 1
    22/9 Steel The Show Gate 5     GSL 1
    29/9 Tenzing Bromac Gate 1     GSL 1
    6/10 Minstrel Gate 1                  GSL 1
    13/10 J J Mac Gate 1                GSL 1
    20/10 Blitzembye Gate 1           GSL 2
    27/10 Diego Gate 1                   GSL 1


    I mean look at any of the tracks here that are smaller than 900m you'll see an abudence of winners with GS L 1 next to there names collie last week I think the majority of winners were either in front or outside of the leader and the week before was much the same
  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,856 posts

    The sectional times from Never Ending's workout after Race 3.


    27.9, 29.5, 30.1, 29.9, 28.5 and 28.5.
    And what was the purpose of it ???
    Hit out prior to the Derby next week after his slight set back.

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts

    The sectional times from Never Ending's workout after Race 3.


    27.9, 29.5, 30.1, 29.9, 28.5 and 28.5.
    And what was the purpose of it ???
    Hit out prior to the Derby next week after his slight set back.
    Did the rest of the field go around ???
    Seems a bit weird to me.

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  • Cant_RefuseCant_Refuse    198 posts

    JayJay said:

    "Free For All" Results since the  beginning of August:

    4/8  Watching Our Coin Gate 3  GSL 1
    11/8 Tenzing Bromac Gate 6      GSL 1
    18/8 Himself Gate 1                   GSL 1
    25/8 Mighty Ronaldo Gate 2      GSL 1
    1/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 1   GSL 1
    8/9 Wild West Gate 1                 GSL 1
    15/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 4 GSL 1
    22/9 Steel The Show Gate 5     GSL 1
    29/9 Tenzing Bromac Gate 1     GSL 1
    6/10 Minstrel Gate 1                  GSL 1
    13/10 J J Mac Gate 1                GSL 1
    20/10 Blitzembye Gate 1           GSL 2
    27/10 Diego Gate 1                   GSL 1


    I mean look at any of the tracks here that are smaller than 900m you'll see an abudence of winners with GS L 1 next to there names collie last week I think the majority of winners were either in front or outside of the leader and the week before was much the same

    oh no the leaders keep winning. Close the place down and all move down to collie where racing is competitive and leaders don’t win and we can also get $5 stubbies
  • JayJayJayJay    7,685 posts
    Sounds like a plan....Friday Nights at GP for FY 2023 paid out $15,188,250 in stakes yet it only generated $6,153,883 in revenue across its 53 meetings. That's a return of 40.5 cents in the dollar. Fact. So clearly, the pattern of racing and $1.12 favourites and the like on an 800m speedway track is a very favourable business model??? Very sustainable to dump $9 million bucks down the drain each year.
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    JayJay said:

    "Free For All" Results since the  beginning of August:

    4/8  Watching Our Coin Gate 3  GSL 1
    11/8 Tenzing Bromac Gate 6      GSL 1
    18/8 Himself Gate 1                   GSL 1
    25/8 Mighty Ronaldo Gate 2      GSL 1
    1/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 1   GSL 1
    8/9 Wild West Gate 1                 GSL 1
    15/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 4 GSL 1
    22/9 Steel The Show Gate 5     GSL 1
    29/9 Tenzing Bromac Gate 1     GSL 1
    6/10 Minstrel Gate 1                  GSL 1
    13/10 J J Mac Gate 1                GSL 1
    20/10 Blitzembye Gate 1           GSL 2
    27/10 Diego Gate 1                   GSL 1

    Anyone who is happy with these statistics has rocks in their head. Would be no different over 12 months.
    It’s not even acknowledging the other bleeding obvious stat either.

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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    162 posts

    JayJay said:

    "Free For All" Results since the  beginning of August:

    4/8  Watching Our Coin Gate 3  GSL 1
    11/8 Tenzing Bromac Gate 6      GSL 1
    18/8 Himself Gate 1                   GSL 1
    25/8 Mighty Ronaldo Gate 2      GSL 1
    1/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 1   GSL 1
    8/9 Wild West Gate 1                 GSL 1
    15/9 Prince Of Pleasure Gate 4 GSL 1
    22/9 Steel The Show Gate 5     GSL 1
    29/9 Tenzing Bromac Gate 1     GSL 1
    6/10 Minstrel Gate 1                  GSL 1
    13/10 J J Mac Gate 1                GSL 1
    20/10 Blitzembye Gate 1           GSL 2
    27/10 Diego Gate 1                   GSL 1

    Anyone who is happy with these statistics has rocks in their head. Would be no different over 12 months.
    It’s not even acknowledging the other bleeding obvious stat either.

    it's not about liking the stat's or not it's the fact that we can all shit on gp because it's "leader bias" and 'boring' racing, yet at collie the past two weekends you've had more short priced favourites winning with the exact same pattern of racing, yet some how that's entertaining is it ?? The free for all at Melton tonight aswell as the Geelong cup last weekend was a walk and a sprint home with zero pressure and guess what the leader won in both instances, the fact is your always going to have boring leader bias racing if no one is prepared to put a horse into the race and create pressure it's got zilch to do with track dimensions

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    I’m not interested in comparing other states but while your at could you mention how many starters/‘meetings Victoria’s had this past week.
    Don’t even get me started.
    I didn’t even shit on GP as you state.
    The fact is if something doesn’t change then the industry is doomed. It is only surviving because govt employees who have destroyed it are trying to save face and their jobs.
    Go gear your horses up.

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  • Cant_RefuseCant_Refuse    198 posts

    I’m not interested in comparing other states but while your at could you mention how many starters/‘meetings Victoria’s had this past week.
    Don’t even get me started.
    I didn’t even shit on GP as you state.
    The fact is if something doesn’t change then the industry is doomed. It is only surviving because govt employees who have destroyed it are trying to save face and their jobs.
    Go gear your horses up.


    the industry is doomed because of all the in house fighting and people only caring for their own agenda
  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    162 posts

    I’m not interested in comparing other states but while your at could you mention how many starters/‘meetings Victoria’s had this past week.
    Don’t even get me started.
    I didn’t even shit on GP as you state.
    The fact is if something doesn’t change then the industry is doomed. It is only surviving because govt employees who have destroyed it are trying to save face and their jobs.
    Go gear your horses up.


    at what stage did I say you in particular shit on the track ??? Yea I agree things have to change where I disagree with you is blaming it on gp I think there are alot bigger problems in the industry than one particular track
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts

    I’m not interested in comparing other states but while your at could you mention how many starters/‘meetings Victoria’s had this past week.
    Don’t even get me started.
    I didn’t even shit on GP as you state.
    The fact is if something doesn’t change then the industry is doomed. It is only surviving because govt employees who have destroyed it are trying to save face and their jobs.
    Go gear your horses up.


    the industry is doomed because of all the in house fighting and people only caring for their own agenda
    No sorry incorrect.
    “In house fighting” as you say didn’t close down four/five clubs in the wheatbelt. “In house fighting” didn’t close down Kalgoorlie. “In hose fighting” didn’t allow 4500 NZ horses to come across and win 90% of major races in WA for the last 30 years whilst small stables and the breeding industry folded.
    It has been one Eff Up after another and now your seeing the results and blaming easy targets. Do not blame those people that wanted change but we’re ignored.
    I no longer own or train horses but I do like a bet. However I find it very interesting that persons who have so much invested in WA pacing are happy for the status quo to continue.
    I must look into Melton land values.

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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    162 posts

    I’m not interested in comparing other states but while your at could you mention how many starters/‘meetings Victoria’s had this past week.
    Don’t even get me started.
    I didn’t even shit on GP as you state.
    The fact is if something doesn’t change then the industry is doomed. It is only surviving because govt employees who have destroyed it are trying to save face and their jobs.
    Go gear your horses up.


    the industry is doomed because of all the in house fighting and people only caring for their own agenda
    No sorry incorrect.
    “In house fighting” as you say didn’t close down four/five clubs in the wheatbelt. “In house fighting” didn’t close down Kalgoorlie. “In hose fighting” didn’t allow 4500 NZ horses to come across and win 90% of major races in WA for the last 30 years whilst small stables and the breeding industry folded.
    It has been one Eff Up after another and now your seeing the results and blaming easy targets. Do not blame those people that wanted change but we’re ignored.
    I no longer own or train horses but I do like a bet. However I find it very interesting that persons who have so much invested in WA pacing are happy for the status quo to continue.
    I must look into Melton land values.

    I mean we aren't the only state who have imported nz horses in the past 30 years yet the other states seem to be travelling ok so I think that point of ya argument is irrelevant, how have there breeding industries been able to stay viable and ours haven't ??
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts

    I’m not interested in comparing other states but while your at could you mention how many starters/‘meetings Victoria’s had this past week.
    Don’t even get me started.
    I didn’t even shit on GP as you state.
    The fact is if something doesn’t change then the industry is doomed. It is only surviving because govt employees who have destroyed it are trying to save face and their jobs.
    Go gear your horses up.


    at what stage did I say you in particular shit on the track ??? Yea I agree things have to change where I disagree with you is blaming it on gp I think there are alot bigger problems in the industry than one particular track
    We are probably both correct CC but until those that can actually make change recognise issues then yes the industry is in serious trouble.
    My point is the issues are and have been that obvious and ignored for so long that you seriously wonder WHY ????

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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    162 posts

    I’m not interested in comparing other states but while your at could you mention how many starters/‘meetings Victoria’s had this past week.
    Don’t even get me started.
    I didn’t even shit on GP as you state.
    The fact is if something doesn’t change then the industry is doomed. It is only surviving because govt employees who have destroyed it are trying to save face and their jobs.
    Go gear your horses up.


    at what stage did I say you in particular shit on the track ??? Yea I agree things have to change where I disagree with you is blaming it on gp I think there are alot bigger problems in the industry than one particular track
    We are probably both correct CC but until those that can actually make change recognise issues then yes the industry is in serious trouble.
    My point is the issues are and have been that obvious and ignored for so long that you seriously wonder WHY ????

    the people running the show are the big issue it's not that they don't try to implement change it's that they decide to make these decisions without going to the industry as a whole asking for feedback/opinions and 9/10 times it's a terrible decision and it bites them on the ass

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts

    I’m not interested in comparing other states but while your at could you mention how many starters/‘meetings Victoria’s had this past week.
    Don’t even get me started.
    I didn’t even shit on GP as you state.
    The fact is if something doesn’t change then the industry is doomed. It is only surviving because govt employees who have destroyed it are trying to save face and their jobs.
    Go gear your horses up.


    at what stage did I say you in particular shit on the track ??? Yea I agree things have to change where I disagree with you is blaming it on gp I think there are alot bigger problems in the industry than one particular track
    We are probably both correct CC but until those that can actually make change recognise issues then yes the industry is in serious trouble.
    My point is the issues are and have been that obvious and ignored for so long that you seriously wonder WHY ????

    the people running the show are the big issue it's not that they don't try to implement change it's that they decide to make these decisions without going to the industry as a whole asking for feedback/opinions and 9/10 times it's a terrible decision and it bites them on the ass
    Couldn’t agree more.
  • MarkovinaMarkovina    2,921 posts
    Some interesting discussion and comments 

    Last weeks Geelong Pacing Cup was mentioned ( interesting it was a 50k stake and the gallops Cup during the week had a 500k stake ) and i agree - i watched it live and it was a shocking race - Brittany Graham   who is excellent she has changed my view of that Geel track - when the Inter Heats were run their - she mentioned several times - it is a peg dominanted track - thus another Bunbury 

    950 metre beautifully cambered GP track - that is the sweet spot for mine - and last night on a track that size i think Magnificent Storm wins the Stratton Cup - very hard for a horse who gets out at the top of the straight - with that tiny straight at GP to get fully wound up - when they come home in a touch over 28

    And track size is important - Victorias time honoured AG Hunter Cup - well a horse in the late 60s or early 70s won back to back Hunter Cups - a horse called Monara for Don Dove - and only because of a former WA driver it most likely would have won 3 in a row -i didnt think it was a great horse - far from it - but  it was brilliant from the tapes - absolutely ping the tapes  but equally important - it was immensely helped by that 600 metre saucer track at the Royal Melb Showgrounds . Would have it won those Hunter Cups on say a 950 metre track - well it would have been a hell of alot harder for it
  • JayJayJayJay    7,685 posts
    The Praetorian Guard from Nelson Crescent gets very prickly when faced with inconvenient facts, not opinions, facts. 40.5 cent in the dollar return on stakes paid on a Friday Night is fact. That is an unsustainable business model.

    The reality is that for Harness to survive, it requires it's prime venue to perform at the highest level, in effect, to carry the remainder of the Industry such that a viable footprint can be sustained. It is all well and good to spruke that GP is the highest turnover track, it is, no one is questioning that but again, the reality is that Harness's share of overall turnover is under 12% and falling. It races in prime time, pays out the biggest stakes, has the best horses, the best trainers and drivers, it is in a prime location yet it doesn't work, it is broken. It attracts few patrons, has no media presence and is fast becoming a heavily subsidised backwater industry.

    Not only does it lose 9 million on a revenue generated/stakes paid basis on a Friday night, it also soaks up $3.7 million a year in grants to operate meetings. That, over a season of roughly 100 meetings, eguates to $37,000 per meeting. It is colossally expensive turnover. Collie on the other hand receives $6,500 in grant money per meeting. Facts again.

    Every attempt at identifying what is wrong and what needs to be fixed is stonewalled, denialism is rife, much like the Holy Grail...."Carry on lads, it will be fine, a mere flesh wound, the industry is working fine by us" (By the way, a $5 million dollar plus cut in stakes in Victoria would be very indicative that things indeed are not "traveling okay").

    So, solutions....is it handicapping, is it programming, is it the conditions (PBD/RBD), is it track size, is it stake distribution, is it management,is it the calender,  is it field sizes, is it the number of short prized favourites, is it the lack of a training centre on course stabling complex, is it accessibility, is it SKY channel related....answer is probably all of the above and a whole heap more but to keep things status quo at teh risk of upsetting some power players in the Industry is simply not a sustainable option.

    We are racing for way more than we earn and that can't continue. Change must happen even if there is short term pain associated with it.


  • freodockersfreodockers    2,667 posts
    Having a pro gallops controlled body equalised across all three codes would be a terrific start.
    If one industry continually attracts the most media/attention for a period of 25 years then of course its going to dominate the other two codes ( which is what has happened).
    Forget about track sizes, front runners etc until media coverage is equalised across all three codes it will only get worse.
    Call me facetious but when you have a majority pro gallops controlling body, would it not be in their best interests to promote their own code.
    On the flip side if increasing overall growth and turnover across the three codes is a goal then equal media coverage across all three is a no brainer ,,,,, so why is it not happening ???

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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    162 posts
    Just my opinion you could build a new state of the art facility to run your metro meetings anywhere in the Greater Perth area and I doubt your going to have a huge increase in people attending, the reasoning behind this is simple if you want to go for a night out in Perth Friday you have a plethora of options and for most the trots are right at the bottom of the list, especially when you take into account sky racing is easily accessible on your phone these days aswell as the number of betting apps at your disposal. Yew maybe advertising the product could help draw a few more bums in seats but would it be worth the money invested I'm not too sure

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