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WA Derby 3rd November

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  • OffthebitOffthebit    586 posts
    Going to GP tonight for the sole purpose of seeing never ending in the flesh and hoping he lives up to the hype. Can’t remember the last time I went to the trots just to witness a good horse.
    Working between races last week is surely a good thing for the industry and doesn’t give him an advantage over his rivals in any way.
    In a night of shorties, as usual, for what it’s worth here is a few value bets for the place….
    Troopingofthecolor….3 fence
    Arma Einstein…..3 fence
    Ultimate rocker….3 fence
    If they get any luck at the right time I think they can place.
    Good luck all
  • savethegamesavethegame    2,716 posts
    1964 Derby my father organized a truck load 2nd hand pipes.from kalgoorlie,for the trainer &; owner they, told him the horse Tugman would win heat and final of the derby his first two starts which was coming up approx.6wks. They would send a telegram with it saying Meet the Boat. Back in them days telegram 's were delivered up till 6 pm Saturday's Dad tells mum to draw 300 pounds out in anticipation of telegram. Mum heads of to work with money went around the S.P. shops some bet ceiling price of 40s the flucs were 100 into 80 on trove in Kalgoorlie Miner. Dad waits to 6.30 no telegram goes to the bar were Mum was working.tell her to keep her money in the purse.Mum didn't tell him she was on.So he goes down to listen to the heat it wins she didn't get a chance as he took off home Mum brought old house in Collingwood st Osborne Park and sold it for a small fortune years later. IT ran third to Rising Scott in final The reason no telegram he had wacked his leg two days before heatl so they would run in first five look after him for the fina l

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  • freodockersfreodockers    2,574 posts
    Machnificent
    Montana G
    Lusaka ew
    Otis
  • MarkovinaMarkovina    2,732 posts
    Brittany Graham on the TAB.Com preview show - and it is a pity WA Metro Trots aernt covered more often re the preview show on TAB.Com - i mean even Tassie Metro races are covered every week 

    But Brittany excellent  media/race previewer or whatever - but she said - what others havent - re NE - hasnt raced over this trip - but was given in her words a searching workout last week over this distance and rated 1.55.9 

    What i would like to see - is 1 of the realistic chances in the race to hold the lead - because otherwise if NE goes to the lead - it prooves absolutely nothing - unless it breaks the track record

    The lead at GP - or behind the leader is everything - Million $ race - 1st 2 on the pegs 1st and 2nd - 

    So i would like to see a decent contest - and the only possibilty perhaps is 1 of them in the market holds the lead- but 2nd prizemoney is 35k - so some of them might fancy that instead
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,574 posts


    Well that went well Chariots.
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,574 posts
    Swan Hill Pacing Cup turnover Vs WA Derby turnover despite that excellent marketing manoeuvre.
    Ahh ya gotta laugh
  • MarkovinaMarkovina    2,732 posts
    Look it did have the setback - so that wouldnt have helped its cause 

    My opinion is he let it roll too early - 1st qtr of the last mile 30.2 - all good - why not bank another 30 second qtr - 28.7 too quick 

    Go as slow as you can for as long as you can - like a hell of alot of GP races actually 
  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,790 posts
    Disappointing Dockers but I saved on the 100/1 Louie to beat home Skylord.  :))

    Actually my only bet on the race was Rolling Fire the place at $8.50. Big run but no cigar.
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,574 posts

    Disappointing Dockers but I saved on the 100/1 Louie to beat home Skylord.  :))


    Actually my only bet on the race was Rolling Fire the place at $8.50. Big run but no cigar.
    Did Louie beat Skylord home never.
    Double or nothing Chariots.
  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,790 posts
    Only by 18.6m
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,574 posts
    Centimetres ??
  • MarkovinaMarkovina    2,732 posts
    They have had  tonight a couple of different  angle camera shots of the track before the race - those palms trees ( are they heritage listed as well ) that looks to be the back straight - but i was staggered by all the space/area they have got their - surely there is ample room to make a bigger track 

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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,790 posts
    That is where the new grandstand will be with the finishing post moved to that side.

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  • AbbysAceAbbysAce    522 posts
    Markovina said:

    Look it did have the setback - so that wouldnt have helped its cause 


    My opinion is he let it roll too early - 1st qtr of the last mile 30.2 - all good - why not bank another 30 second qtr - 28.7 too quick 

    Go as slow as you can for as long as you can - like a hell of alot of GP races actually 
    Remember he had the girlfrend on his back, on his Dads horse.
  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,548 posts
    We will never know but did they leave something out there last friday.

    The times to me seem like a crazy amount of work to do after mossing a run a week out from your final, particularly the early sectional at the start of the workout.
  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,790 posts
    I tend to agree Gilga. The workout may have contributed to him over racing as the sectionals suggest.
  • MuldoonMuldoon    281 posts
    AbbysAce said:

    Markovina said:

    Look it did have the setback - so that wouldnt have helped its cause 


    My opinion is he let it roll too early - 1st qtr of the last mile 30.2 - all good - why not bank another 30 second qtr - 28.7 too quick 

    Go as slow as you can for as long as you can - like a hell of alot of GP races actually 
    Remember he had the girlfrend on his back, on his Dads horse.
    quite an accusatory comment, any facts to go with it ?
  • freodockersfreodockers    2,574 posts

    I tend to agree Gilga. The workout may have contributed to him over racing as the sectionals suggest.

    ????
  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,790 posts
    Sectional times in the Derby were 67.7 30.2 28.7 28.4 28.3. No need to run from the 1200m to the 800m in 28.7 unless the horse was over racing.as Markovina pointed out.

    My point being that the workout was run in similar fashion and may have been a contributing factor,

    Still disappointing in some measure.

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    2,732 posts
    Muldoon said:

    AbbysAce said:

    Markovina said:

    Look it did have the setback - so that wouldnt have helped its cause 


    My opinion is he let it roll too early - 1st qtr of the last mile 30.2 - all good - why not bank another 30 second qtr - 28.7 too quick 

    Go as slow as you can for as long as you can - like a hell of alot of GP races actually 
    Remember he had the girlfrend on his back, on his Dads horse.
    quite an accusatory comment, any facts to go with it ?
    It was by him - and im not buying into it

    However wouldnt it be a fantastic day - and if it ever arrived WA Harness Racing would be in sensational condition 

    Where a WA Derby - you had 12 seperate trainers - 12 seperate drivers - and 12 different sets of owners - and it would be lovely if they were 12 WA Bred pacers - in fact you could throw in as a bonuus 200k to the winner if it was WA Bred - 100k to the owner and 100k to the breeder - blokes like Kevin Charles wouldnt mind that - rather than getting 100% of absolutely nothing 

    It isnt as bad as Ben Yole in  Tassie with 6-7 in a race - but not suggesting anything untoward but last nights Derby - 3 trainers had 3 runners each - there is 9 of your 12 - and of course there was 6 NZ Bred pacers in last nights field - i suppose that is an improvement on the 10 NZ bred horses in a Derby -3 to 4 years back
  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,548 posts
    Markovina said:

    Muldoon said:

    AbbysAce said:

    Markovina said:

    Look it did have the setback - so that wouldnt have helped its cause 


    My opinion is he let it roll too early - 1st qtr of the last mile 30.2 - all good - why not bank another 30 second qtr - 28.7 too quick 

    Go as slow as you can for as long as you can - like a hell of alot of GP races actually 
    Remember he had the girlfrend on his back, on his Dads horse.
    quite an accusatory comment, any facts to go with it ?
    It was by him - and im not buying into it

    However wouldnt it be a fantastic day - and if it ever arrived WA Harness Racing would be in sensational condition 

    Where a WA Derby - you had 12 seperate trainers - 12 seperate drivers - and 12 different sets of owners - and it would be lovely if they were 12 WA Bred pacers - in fact you could throw in as a bonuus 200k to the winner if it was WA Bred - 100k to the owner and 100k to the breeder - blokes like Kevin Charles wouldnt mind that - rather than getting 100% of absolutely nothing 

    It isnt as bad as Ben Yole in  Tassie with 6-7 in a race - but not suggesting anything untoward but last nights Derby - 3 trainers had 3 runners each - there is 9 of your 12 - and of course there was 6 NZ Bred pacers in last nights field - i suppose that is an improvement on the 10 NZ bred horses in a Derby -3 to 4 years back



    The wheel is turning-local breed is improving to catch up to the imports. Justin is showing what you can do with the right ones. As the locals continue to improve you will then see more guys like DeCampo and Ryan Bell who do the local shopping along with their sets of connections represented more frequently.

    IMO you can't begrudge the connections of those big stables, they are forking out big money but more importantly they are bringing in quality horse flesh to race here. To me that's a plus. I'd love to see things handicapped better but you can't have a go at people putting their hand in their pocket. Plus if we didn't have it we just wouldn't have the numbers to run what we run. The last thing I want to see is 50 horses a meeting running around out of stallions the quality of Follow The Stars out of some mare that won 1 from 73 down at Albany.

    The thing that seems to have changed over the last 5yrs or so it seems like the Kiwis pretty much now sell everything. We are leading up to the time honored NZ Cup and you have a look at soe of the FFA fields and they are abysmal.

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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,548 posts
    Geez Taking The Miki was enormous last night.

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  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,548 posts
    Back on Never Ending, is he a bit like Quinnie was at this stage of the career-a bit too brilliant to lead throughout this grade of race over this trip???

    No way you would have wanted to restrain him any harder watching the replay or you risk bringing it all undone anyhow.

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  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    763 posts
    Gilgamesh said:

    Markovina said:

    Muldoon said:

    AbbysAce said:

    Markovina said:

    Look it did have the setback - so that wouldnt have helped its cause 


    My opinion is he let it roll too early - 1st qtr of the last mile 30.2 - all good - why not bank another 30 second qtr - 28.7 too quick 

    Go as slow as you can for as long as you can - like a hell of alot of GP races actually 
    Remember he had the girlfrend on his back, on his Dads horse.
    quite an accusatory comment, any facts to go with it ?
    It was by him - and im not buying into it

    However wouldnt it be a fantastic day - and if it ever arrived WA Harness Racing would be in sensational condition 

    Where a WA Derby - you had 12 seperate trainers - 12 seperate drivers - and 12 different sets of owners - and it would be lovely if they were 12 WA Bred pacers - in fact you could throw in as a bonuus 200k to the winner if it was WA Bred - 100k to the owner and 100k to the breeder - blokes like Kevin Charles wouldnt mind that - rather than getting 100% of absolutely nothing 

    It isnt as bad as Ben Yole in  Tassie with 6-7 in a race - but not suggesting anything untoward but last nights Derby - 3 trainers had 3 runners each - there is 9 of your 12 - and of course there was 6 NZ Bred pacers in last nights field - i suppose that is an improvement on the 10 NZ bred horses in a Derby -3 to 4 years back



    The wheel is turning-local breed is improving to catch up to the imports. Justin is showing what you can do with the right ones. As the locals continue to improve you will then see more guys like DeCampo and Ryan Bell who do the local shopping along with their sets of connections represented more frequently.

    IMO you can't begrudge the connections of those big stables, they are forking out big money but more importantly they are bringing in quality horse flesh to race here. To me that's a plus. I'd love to see things handicapped better but you can't have a go at people putting their hand in their pocket. Plus if we didn't have it we just wouldn't have the numbers to run what we run. The last thing I want to see is 50 horses a meeting running around out of stallions the quality of Follow The Stars out of some mare that won 1 from 73 down at Albany.

    The thing that seems to have changed over the last 5yrs or so it seems like the Kiwis pretty much now sell everything. We are leading up to the time honored NZ Cup and you have a look at soe of the FFA fields and they are abysmal.



    The good thing about all these imported horses is now a lot of them are broodmares here so our quality of bred youngsters has increased substantially. Not to mention Kody Charles Steve Johnson etc putting plenty into good stallions, every year they do is better again for the following years. 140 odd yearlings in this years catalogue is promising we were down to 100 at one stage

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