GP- 4yo Championship (Gp3)Harness & Greyhounds

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GP

Race 1-   October Reign,  Bee Jays Boy,  Joey James,  Longreach Bay

Race 2-   Sheez Our Hope,  Five Bangles,  Mighthavtime,  Joelene

Race 3-   Floewriter,  Whataretheodds,  Brickies Dream,  Rockmyster

Race 4-   Steel The Show,  Arma Einstein,  Minstrel,  The Code Breaker

Race 5-   Tricky Miki,  Youre So Fine,  Alcopony,  Bellissimo Acquisto

Race 6-   Sugar Street,  Master Publisher,  Loucid Dreams,  Cut n Run

Race 7-   Machnificent,  Stamford,  Tiger Royal,  Firerockfireroll

Race 8-   Bella Regazza,  Between Two Thorns,  Jackie Daniels,  Spiritofanangel

Race 9-   Bellezza Nera,  American Bullitt,  Gee Smith,  Per Ardua Ad Astra

Race 10- Arma Believer,  Infinite Merit,  Petes Honour,  Ubeen Thundastruck

Wagin

R1- Extinction

R2- Eastern Advance

R3- Sweet Lucifer

R4- Atomic Feel

R5- Firefly

R6- Cheap Thrillz

R7- Chica Valiente

R8- Star Of Kaos

Markovina

Hard to make your top bet - something in a stand giving the 2s on fave a 50 metre start on a tight turning track 

But Fleur De Macquis - race 6 Wagin @ $4.80 - ive got to have something on it - its last start probably career best effort - given the mile rate and had a very tough run

Hopefully Panda is a good judge because i notice he has tipped it as well 

Gilgamesh

R1: You can leave me out of Longreach Bay odds on, does look a good race for him but not a betting prop at that price. I have had a 1by4 ratio bet No12 Illawong Mustang @$34/$5.50. I liked his trial and to me this looks a race he can follow through and not be too far from the leader with a chance to sprint over them.

R2: I've had a little bet Joelene the place at black figures early. I actually expect No2 Five Bangles to win, I thought she could cross the 1 but even sitting outside it I think she will be too strong-is also out to a backable price the win now so will be a 2 play race for me.

R3: Unabashed fan of No11 Brickies Dream, he continues to race well without luck. Looks an EW special here, could map that he ends up 1,1 throughout without having to do a tap of work.

R4: Just having a little spec No5 Faster Than Dad the place expecting him to do nothing in the run and have a 300m zap at them.

R5: Great race. I thought No3 Bellisimo Acquisto would get Lucca at the start and give a hell of a site, the $8 early was fantastic shopping.

R6: No bet race for me, Mr Fantastic came of the arm under control last week and that seemed to really work for him. If that is the case here he won't be crossing the 1 horse which means no body will be beating that horse.

R7: No1 Stamford in a rare race where it looks like finding the top no pressure, it should be winning but is too short now. I've had something small No10 Firerockfireroll to follow it through for a place even though it needs to improve, it shoud be off this trip.

R8: No bet again. Normal circumstances Jackie Daniels would be a bet but it's just one of those horses that whenever it draws to seemingly get a good run someone decides to pull it on and burry it. Nothing I want to back against it.

R9: No1 Patrikiar 1by3. Nothing wrong with how this mare is going. I expected it to step well and then have options depending on who else steps well. If you go back to the run that it sat behind Blockjorg and then run straight past it-that form would see it hard to beat here.

R10: Will be hoping the Indomitable Saab horse Infinite Merit can win as I like the obscure sire but won't be having a bet.

Wagin

R4: No9 Shes A Lucky Penny EW@20/1. If there's a bit of speed on here she will be running on.

R8: No3 Star Of Kaos. Tonight's the night, start 47 is the charm!

Good luck all.

freodockers

GP
R1 HC Sharkie
Wagin
R1 G Cuvier place
R3 S Windstorm
R4 H Flammable
R5 I Whitby

GLTA on a very tough night.

freodockers

Close up of Five Bangles before The race looked very suspect in back end.

Gilgamesh

Geez i hate punting haha.

sonny

Hi Gilga, We are all like that.... Next Friday you will kill them

Markovina

Just watching the replays this morning

Well done to " Aussie Battler "- a horse he trains and owns winning at Wagin last night -broke 29 its last qtr which is a reasonable effort 

There will be discount Carpet is it on sale Monday

freodockers

Markovina said:

Just watching the replays this morning

Well done to " Aussie Battler "- a horse he trains and owns winning at Wagin last night -broke 29 its last qtr which is a reasonable effort 

There will be discount Carpet is it on sale Monday

Head away from a double.

freodockers

Gilgamesh said:

Geez i hate punting haha.

It was a tough night to get any value, particularly GP.

JayJay

freodockers said:

Head away from a double.

For John Fagg from Ravensthorpe......no one travels further to race their horses, always good to see.

Aussie Battler just the one with Swanbourne Spunk, a name that must have a story behind it. would hate to hear the naked truth.

;;)

freodockers

Didn’t know there was a trotting trainer in Ravensthorpe. Geez he must get a few strange looks training from out there.

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh said:

R1: You can leave me out of Longreach Bay odds on, does look a good race for him but not a betting prop at that price. I have had a 1by4 ratio bet No12 Illawong Mustang @$34/$5.50. I liked his trial and to me this looks a race he can follow through and not be too far from the leader with a chance to sprint over them.

R2: I've had a little bet Joelene the place at black figures early. I actually expect No2 Five Bangles to win, I thought she could cross the 1 but even sitting outside it I think she will be too strong-is also out to a backable price the win now so will be a 2 play race for me.

R3: Unabashed fan of No11 Brickies Dream, he continues to race well without luck. Looks an EW special here, could map that he ends up 1,1 throughout without having to do a tap of work.

R4: Just having a little spec No5 Faster Than Dad the place expecting him to do nothing in the run and have a 300m zap at them.

R5: Great race. I thought No3 Bellisimo Acquisto would get Lucca at the start and give a hell of a site, the $8 early was fantastic shopping.

R6: No bet race for me, Mr Fantastic came of the arm under control last week and that seemed to really work for him. If that is the case here he won't be crossing the 1 horse which means no body will be beating that horse.

R7: No1 Stamford in a rare race where it looks like finding the top no pressure, it should be winning but is too short now. I've had something small No10 Firerockfireroll to follow it through for a place even though it needs to improve, it shoud be off this trip.

R8: No bet again. Normal circumstances Jackie Daniels would be a bet but it's just one of those horses that whenever it draws to seemingly get a good run someone decides to pull it on and burry it. Nothing I want to back against it.

R9: No1 Patrikiar 1by3. Nothing wrong with how this mare is going. I expected it to step well and then have options depending on who else steps well. If you go back to the run that it sat behind Blockjorg and then run straight past it-that form would see it hard to beat here.

R10: Will be hoping the Indomitable Saab horse Infinite Merit can win as I like the obscure sire but won't be having a bet.

Wagin

R4: No9 Shes A Lucky Penny EW@20/1. If there's a bit of speed on here she will be running on.

R8: No3 Star Of Kaos. Tonight's the night, start 47 is the charm!

Good luck all.

A real positive from Friday night is the only way is up for me!

Markovina

As ive posted previously , im a huge fan of the 2 WA  Friday night WA meetings - and i wish it was every Frid night - and with the time difference , the last 3-4 races theve both basically got Sky 1 to themselves which is fantastic - plus we get the pleasure of hearing the dulcet tones from Panda  !!!

And from a participant point of view it gives others a chance to earn

You take Turvey ,now Nathan is no battler but he didnt have a runner at GP , so he heads to Wagin , full book of drives , so whats that 8 times  is it $75 a drive that $600 , in Vic they get Super as well , if that applies here that is another $60 , plus he won a race so that is 5% of 3k , so all up he grosses $800 - as Geoff Webster would say thats a nice earn - and his only cost would be about $40 in juice to get their and back 

On a separate issue - turnover has gone down all codes not just the Trots - the VRC or those big carnival meeting both Caulfield and Flemington  around 10-12 % - and the club who run Caulfield said they will make a loss this year - but they have ample funds from the good years to weather it out ,fund it 

And i found out this week there are 2 reasons not 1 why turnover went through the roof during the COVID days , the obvious 1 boredom so people bet 

The 2nd 1 , i heard that finance guru Nick Bruining on the radio a couple of nights back , and he said in both 19 and 20 , if your income went down by at least 20% then no matter what your age you could pull out 10k both years from your Super tax free 

And an ernormous amount got drained from peoples Super , and he had the breakdown how that money had been spent , and guess what 14% had been wasted on Gambling .

Gilgamesh

I know of people who did that very thing-took money out of super and pissed/punted it up the wall, the checks on wether you truly needed the money were almost non existent.

Another reason is increased tax rate on gambling resulting in people losing their funds quicker thus reducing turnover.

Just comparing a 10% tax rate effect on $100 turned over 25 times vs a 15% tax rate.
Bank Size.
10% 15% tax collect
100. 100. 10.00. 15.00
90. 85. 9.00. 12.75
81. 72.25. 8.10. 10.84
72.90. 61.41. 7.29. 9.21
65.61. 52.20. 6.56. 7.90
59.05. 44.30. 5.91. 6.59
53.14. 37.71. 5.31. 5.65
47.83. 32.06. 4.78. 4.81
43.05. 27.25. 4.31. 4.09
38.74. 23.16. 3.87. 3.48
34.87. 19.68. 3.49. 2.95
31.38. 16.73. 3.13. 2.51
28.25. 14.22. 2.84. 2.13
25.41. 12.09. 2.53. 1.81
22.88. 10.28. 2.29. 1.55
20.59. 8.73. 2.06. 1.31
18.53. 7.42. 1.85. 1.12
16.68. 6.30. 1.68. 0.94
15. 5.36. 1.50. 0.80
13.50. 4.56. 1.40. 0.69
12.10. 3.87. 1.20. 0.58
10.90. 3.29. 1.05. 0.49
9.85. 2.80. 0.99. 0.42
8.86. 2.38. 0.89. 0.36
7.97. 2.02. 0.80. 0.30
7.17. 1.72
Turnover
$835.26 vs $556.79.

So a 5% increase in the tax rate can (and will) lead to a 33.33% drop in turnover if peoples disposable punting amount were to stay the same, effectively sending people broke far quicker having $7.17 left vs $1.72.

On turning it over 25 times you collect $92.83 @10% and $98.28 @15%. As you can see from the numbers though you are still collecting around 80c a spin @10% vs 30c @15% so if you were to continue on you would get close to parity.

Seemingly whoever is implementing these tax changes do not understand how gambling works and believe joe blogs rocks up for a bet with his $100 each week and bets it once so skimming $15 is better than skimming $10 and he will be back with $100 again next week and we can skim another $15 off him.

We all know reality is Joe might rotate that $100 through 10-15 times over a weekend depending on how he's going-increase bookie percentages via increased taxes and he is far less likely to be able to keep turning it over, also less likely to come back another week with $100 if he didnt enjoy losing the last lot so quickly.

Couple that with other tax changes that disincentive bookies to grow their turnover- Tristan Merlehan from Topsports does some great podcasts on this and how they have had to change their business model to keep under a certain size to not cop further tax implications.

Effectively multiple actions have been put in place to shrink turnover while also coupled with the current financial situation, seeing people not having the disposable income for something like gambling and its a perfect storm.