Busso 23/24Harness & Greyhounds

Gilgamesh

Markovina said:

Gilgamesh said:

Back on my initial comment re track size. You can have a 600m track or a 1600m track but the thing that we had different on boxing day was actual handicapping (combined with the unpredictability of the stands).

This resulted in what i would guess about 80% of the connections in each race turning up to the course thinking they were at least some chance. Ultimately this results in moves, action, dare I say it entertainment.

Compare that to your usual Gloucester Park meet where no handicapping results in 80% of the connections turning up (if they even nominate for the "feature meeting") thinking they are no chance. Resulting in racing that is barely worth wattching on replay where you can watch the first 400m then fast forward to the last 400m, where all the horses are still in the same position trying to break the land speed record home to be in the finish.

Ive harped on it for a while but for the sport to actually survive you need to be attracting losing punters. You don't want people losing all the time but if you don't have losers, you don't have prizemoney. If those losers are finding zero entertainment in their night they are highly likely to rather throw their $50 on same game multi's over the weekend then to whack it on a borefest at GP.

I dont take sides , i just look at the facts , and i have just given Cant Refuse my 1st and probably only like , because someone quoted the Tote pools and they have become totally irrelevant , and you look at Syd and Melb re their quinella and trifecta pools have they dropped off at some tracks 

Your quoting Busso re standing starts - i go way way back and standing starts gave Trotting the unfortunate nickname of the Red Hots , and i dont care what anyone says it caused mass cheating , and if you decide to bring in alot more standing starts at every track thats what you can encourage , its so easy to bust something up at the start

I knew a trainer at the Royal Melb Showgrounds, his horses could ease from 5 to 2 to 15-1 and they didnt break at the start , instead  they would stand their like a camel  , the field would release , it would turn its head to the left , then turn its head to the right , maybe even have a look at the crowd , then when the field had gone 50 metres it would take a couple of baby steps and finally step away 

All these figures being quoted , like 12% etc , i want to see the Corp bookie holds , pick a race at GP and Busso say the Cup race , i want to see the total Win and Place invested with the Corp Bookies for each race then you are comparing apples with apples 

And just a question re the Finances , not into the detail but V,Landys just recently got the Syd gallops mob an etc 70 million in revenue by having some tax rate lifted , how does that work and can WA do the same thing

https://www.taxathand.com/article/29863/Australia/2023/Point-of-consumption-betting-taxes-Victoria-proposes-increased-rate-of-15

Gilgamesh

Marko it's not so much about the tax rates but about how much of that the various governments give back also has nothing to do with Mr V, its a state goverent tax. He however can campaign to get a better share of that revenue but its not like the old tote system where the money was just skimmed and put straight back in, big chunks of these taxes arent returned to racing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw/unfathomable-the-new-tax-fuelling-racing-s-growing-power-20231201-p5eodq.html

This is a good article on it, NSW returning 33% of the revenue.

Comparatively SA has recently increased theres from 10% to 20% so they would have a far smaller pool and are getting a lesser share back.

It's hard to find recent information but i think we are currently at 30% return.

Ive mentioned it before but Queensland racing are the ones-they are returning 80% of the revenue which has seen some strong growth in prizemoney scross the codes.

Gilgamesh

Lastly not cert not calling for all stands, although i would like more.

But you cant certainly use the mobile draws (as they previously have) to similar effect.

AbbysAce

Cant_Refuse said:

AbbysAce said:

Rocket_Reign said:

JayJay said:

Gil, been going there forever, never ever seen a crowd like last night, it was an outstanding promotion by the club for it's 75th Anniversary. Like being in side show alley at the Royal Show.

The Tote Area was jam packed, 8 machines operating with queues of 10 to 12 in line throughout, food vans ranging from Indonesian, Big Spud and the famous Donut stall.

No doubt some churlish comment (or complete silence) from the "all you want to do is race in front of a 100 people and drink $5 buck stubbies" brigade, they can think and say what they like, but an unreal atmosphere and super competitive racing and a hates off to Dennis Russell, Sara King and Michelle Charman and all the volunteers.

I’ll chime in just so you don’t think I’m radio silent, it’s great that they get a big crowd etc atmosphere is great.
This is all brilliant same with Collie.
This doesn’t change the fact that they’re our most expensive tracks and are hemorrhaging money, for them to become only a small loss they’d have to race for half the stakes they do now and I guess that wouldn’t change the crowd etc so would probably be a possibility rather than ceasing racing there

Who held more in the win tote pool?

Race 7 last Friday night at Gloucester Park or

Race 7 last night at Busselton

who bets into the tote pool?

P.s Cherry picking at its finest

What % of every $ bet goes to RWWA from the tote pool?

What % of every $ bet goes to RWWA from the fixed pool?

warrenrobinson

Afternoon all, I attended the Busselton Trots on Tuesday for the first time in 40years and i must say the Busselton Club need to be congratulated. All other racing clubs  could certainly learn how to promote a night of entertainment, firstly i couldn't believe the crowd  it was like a trip back in time a carnival atmosphere food stalls everything from Asian to Hot Dogs and Doughnuts( 2 bags thanks Tim) children's face painting, the tote windows at least 8 were 10-12 deep and i noticed the turnover was  very good Tabtouch over 150k for a 7 race program plus small fields. I would think you would have to be a little simple to think that closing or even reducing more meetings from a club like Busselton would help our industry when history tells us this is not the answer(fact). My wife commented that it was the best Harness Meeting she had been in years. Again congratulations Busselton.