USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2024.Sport

Rodent

p.s Trump back in to odds on.
Just how bad a President do you have to be when a country prefers a convicted felon over you.
The Trump haters just don't get how corrupt the system is.
I'm not pro Trump. I'm against rotten government.
Trump at this time is the only option.

Chariotsonfire

The fact that Trump has so much support is a clear indication of the widespread lack of intelligence of the population in the USA.

What he does have going for him is the Democrats sticking with Biden for the election when it is clearly obvious that he is not up to the task.

Whichever the result the USA and the world will be the losers.

meatpie

Rodent said:

What experts? Always interested in playing the man and not the ball. If you did your own research you'd be aware of why the trial was worthy of third world show trial status.
The Dems say Trump is a threat to Democracy. Trying to jail your political opponents is not?
They paid for the Russian hoax and got their mates to lie about Hunter's laptop. But that's not election interference. Rooting someone and paying them to keep quiet about it is?

Your God complex must be a burden you carry every day.

Playing the man? Who said " If you cant see how flawed it was there is no hope for you"  

Do your own research is another way of saying, I got nothing! Fox like CNN arent reliable sources.

He got done for falsifying business records, which in America is against the law. He didnt get done for the sex bit and you know it, the salacious stuff in court was for effect. My original point was that in a jury of 12, they couldnt all been Democrats and he only needed ONE to be found not guilty.

In the Georgia case, several of his co conspirators have taken a plea deal and pleaded guilty, including some of his most senior advisers. They are not pleading guilty if they were NOT. So there is a possibility he is a threat to democracy.

Think they will get there chance to pursue Hunter in January.

meatpie

Chariotsonfire said:

The fact that Trump has so much support is a clear indication of the widespread lack of intelligence of the population in the USA.

What he does have going for him is the Democrats sticking with Biden for the election when it is clearly obvious that he is not up to the task.

Whichever the result the USA and the world will be the losers.

100%

What is worrying for the choice of leader of the Western World is there is a choice between a guy that is clearly old, showing signs of dementia and clearly wont see out four years and is being propped by others. The other is a compulsive lying narcissist.

Xi and Putin are playing the long game, must be sitting back wringing their hands.

Bushbookie

What part of breaking the law dont you agree with Rodent . Money Laundering and Tax evasion , falsefying and Cooking your companies books . Blokes that stingy and tightarsed he could'nt find 130 gorillas in cash ffs to pay off Stormy , had to put it through his companies books .

Rodent

Falsifying business records? The misdemeanour whose statute of limitations had expired?
This is what they thought worthy of being so bad as to go after a former president?
Wasn't Hilary fined for the same thing?
Justice isn't blind. Jury pool 90% Dems. Judge and his daughter impartial?
I'm sure you'd be fine with a Jew on trial as long as at least one of the jurors wasn't a Nazi.
You lot can justify anything. Useful idiots.

Bushbookie

Source and proof please on 90% of jury being Dems . Smartest Lawyers in the USA on 3 million a day could'nt get Trump off on a " MISDEMEANOUR " whose statue has expired ha ha ha ha .

Rodent

Bushbookie said:

Source and proof please on 90% of jury being Dems . Smartest Lawyers in the USA on 3 million a day could'nt get Trump off on a " MISDEMEANOUR " whose statue has expired ha ha ha ha .

Source and proof of something I didn't say? Did you fail comprehension? I won't waste any more time on you.  :-h

Bushbookie

The Rat sounds exactly like Criminal Trump. Just repeats Fox and Trump Lies .

meatpie

Bushbookie said:

The Rat sounds exactly like Criminal Trump. Just repeats Fox and Trump Lies .

"Jury pool 90% Dems"

" 90% of jury Dems"

Sounds the same intent to me. Somebody playing semantics.

meatpie

one of many charges they thought WORTHY of bringing against a president.

* Lost Civil case for rape, ordered to pay $100mill

* Got fined $400 million. Had to get a bondsman to put up the money. 

* Lost the NY case

* Facing charges in Georgia (saved by a Republican Federal Supreme Court)

* Classified Documents case ongoing (saved by Republican judge)

Judge Cannon, Federal Supreme Court impartial? Dont think so

Comparing anything or including us with Nazis is a disgrace, you should be embarrassed.

Useful idiots? Brainwashed Trump Cultists

Bushbookie

Build the Wall, build the Wall. I promise to build a Wall that will keep out all criminals and Mexico will pay for it . Trust me it will be done . Result 40 kms of Wall built in 4 years and then the money run out . Mexico never stumped up a cent ffs. Bloke breaks election promises by the bucketful and MAGAs dont give a toss .

Rodent

At the 2020 election, Biden received 86.4% of the vote in Manhattan. This means that for every 8 potential jurors, there will be 7 Democrat voters to 1 Republican.

  It is pretty easy for the prosecution to remove likely Republican voters from jury selection as they won't exhaust their vetoes before the defence exhaust theirs. Pretty easy to end up with 12 Democrats on the jury.

 So obviously not a fair trial. Democrat donor Judge Merchan whose daughter Loren Merchan is President of a company fundraising for the Democrats. 

 This doesn't even pretend to look impartial. 

 These are facts. No amount of using the words "MAGA" or "Fox News" or "brainwashed" will change them.

 Anyone who is ok with it really is disqualified from reasoned debate. 

 Once again with Lefties, it's always the team and never the principle. 

meatpie

This is the problem with the Maga Right.

if you have a differing opinion you get patronising put downs like you have inferior intelligence. It's the Dunning-Kruger mentality.

No hope for you

failed comprehension

disqualified from reasonable debate.

Always the person never the principle

Still think the most laughable comment on this thread is 

" I'm not pro Trump..... Trump at this time is the only option"

Rodent

This is the problem with the Maga Right.

1. if you have a differing opinion you get patronising put downs like you have inferior intelligence. It's the Dunning-Kruger mentality.

No hope for you

failed comprehension

disqualified from reasonable debate.

Always the person never the principle

Still think the most laughable comment on this thread is 

2. " I'm not pro Trump..... Trump at this time is the only option"

By making point 1 you imply that this is exclusive to the Maga Right. Surely you can't be suggesting the left doesn't at least do the same?

 On point 2, the choice is binary. In my opinion, Trump is the lesser of 2 evils.

 As far as being disqualified from reasonable debate, why not? If you're trying to argue with facts and logic and you find yourself wasting time with someone who won't concede facts, what's the point?

p.s I noticed you latched on to "disqualified from reasonable debate" and

"Always the person never the principle"  but you gave a wide berth to the substantive argument of why the trial was unfair. I can only assume your counter argument is weak.

Bushbookie

Possibilities and Probabilities , The science and varibilities of odds and percentages in a market over a timeframe . One time $4.00 Chance Florida Governor Ron De Santis in POTUS Election with 10,000,000 in the Betfair pool at the time is now currently $480.00 on Betfair with over 35,000,000 in the pool. Get the feeling he has burnt some big bridges battling with Trump and MAGA fanatics and might never have a crack again in the big race .

meatpie

Rodent said:

This is the problem with the Maga Right.

1. if you have a differing opinion you get patronising put downs like you have inferior intelligence. It's the Dunning-Kruger mentality.

No hope for you

failed comprehension

disqualified from reasonable debate.

Always the person never the principle

Still think the most laughable comment on this thread is 

2. " I'm not pro Trump..... Trump at this time is the only option"

By making point 1 you imply that this is exclusive to the Maga Right. Surely you can't be suggesting the left doesn't at least do the same?

 On point 2, the choice is binary. In my opinion, Trump is the lesser of 2 evils.

 As far as being disqualified from reasonable debate, why not? If you're trying to argue with facts and logic and you find yourself wasting time with someone who won't concede facts, what's the point?

p.s I noticed you latched on to "disqualified from reasonable debate" and

"Always the person never the principle"  but you gave a wide berth to the substantive argument of why the trial was unfair. I can only assume your counter argument is weak.

Your 'facts' are your opinion you arent the arbitrator of facts.

Rodent

Your 'facts' are your opinion you arent the arbitrator of facts.

 Election results are facts aren't they? At the 2020 election, Biden received 86.4% of the vote in Manhattan. That is a fact and if you don't agree, simply put up what you think the figure is.

 Judge Merchan is a Democrat donor despite it being unethical for a judge in New York. His daughter raises funds for the Democrats. Facts. 

 Why don't you look it up?

 "Your 'facts' are your opinion you arent the arbitrator of facts". Said like someone too lazy to do their own research. 

From CNN https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/06/politics/judge-merchan-trump-biden-contribution/index.html

Stephen Gillers, a legal ethics professor at New York University, said that New York, like most US jurisdictions, has adopted language from the American Bar Association Model Code of Judicial Conduct, which prohibits judges from “soliciting funds for, paying an assessment to, or making a contribution to a political organization or candidate.”

meatpie

More obfuscation and deflection

Who has questioned the percentage of Democrats in Manhattan? So dont need to put up a figure because i havent suggested otherwise.

So you presume (not fact) that the same percentage was the jury make up, you dont know that as fact

You presume (not fact) that there wasn't Independents or Republicans on the jury. It would have taken only one to find him not guilty. 

You presume (not fact) that not a single Democrat on the jury respected the law enough to objectively listen to the evidence and find him not guilty.

Your own reference says Merchan donated a total of $35 in three donations, the same article said it wouldnt come close to cause a recusal. No different from Cannon deliberately holding up a trial to support Trump or the Supreme Court delaying Trumps request for immunity.

Seeing you initiated the emphatic statement, still waiting for the independent jurists who said it was a third world sham trial. Waiting?

You are still not the arbitrator of what is fact. Neither am I, mine is an opinion.

Rodent

meatpie: "You presume (not fact) that there wasn't Independents or Republicans on the jury. It would have taken only one to find him not guilty. 

You presume (not fact) that not a single Democrat on the jury respected the law enough to objectively listen to the evidence and find him not guilty."

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 Can't you see the idiocy of these statements? I don't think it would be very difficult for 11 people to persuade one that he was guilty. Especially when 2 of the 11 were lawyers.

 I look forward to you being on trial one day and being happy so long as you have 1 potentially sympathetic juror and the other 11 baying for blood. Also a judge donating to your opponent despite it being unethical to do so.

Selecting a jury from Manhattan when the person being tried is Donald Trump is patently unfair. There are many other jurisdictions in New York State that would have had a jury pool with much less potential bias.

 Ordinarily this should happen.

 The OJ Simpson murder trial jury consisted of 8 Blacks, 2  Hispanics, 1 half Caucasian half Native American and 1 Caucasian female. Do you think 11 Blacks or 11 Caucasians and 1 other would have been fair?

 Of course! We can't just presume that they won't respect the law enough to objectively listen to the evidence!

 As for the $35, why would a Judge behave unethically for such a token sum? Surely it wouldn't be worth it. It's utter stupidity. This is the support he has given the Dems that is provable and not in dispute. Let's just say that the Dems would have been very happy with the way he handled the trial. They would be very happy with him and his family. His daughter has raised them millions.

 Anyway, it all falls on deaf ears. I might as well be arguing with a wall. If you think this is good legal practice and Trump had a fair trail, I can't help you. Have a nice day.

Bushbookie

Dont bother Meatpie , totally brainwashed and delusional .

meatpie

Rodent said:

meatpie: "You presume (not fact) that there wasn't Independents or Republicans on the jury. It would have taken only one to find him not guilty. 

You presume (not fact) that not a single Democrat on the jury respected the law enough to objectively listen to the evidence and find him not guilty."

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 Can't you see the idiocy of these statements? I don't think it would be very difficult for 11 people to persuade one that he was guilty. Especially when 2 of the 11 were lawyers.

 I look forward to you being on trial one day and being happy so long as you have 1 potentially sympathetic juror and the other 11 baying for blood. Also a judge donating to your opponent despite it being unethical to do so.

Selecting a jury from Manhattan when the person being tried is Donald Trump is patently unfair. There are many other jurisdictions in New York State that would have had a jury pool with much less potential bias.

 Ordinarily this should happen.

 The OJ Simpson murder trial jury consisted of 8 Blacks, 2  Hispanics, 1 half Caucasian half Native American and 1 Caucasian female. Do you think 11 Blacks or 11 Caucasians and 1 other would have been fair?

 Of course! We can't just presume that they won't respect the law enough to objectively listen to the evidence!

 As for the $35, why would a Judge behave unethically for such a token sum? Surely it wouldn't be worth it. It's utter stupidity. This is the support he has given the Dems that is provable and not in dispute. Let's just say that the Dems would have been very happy with the way he handled the trial. They would be very happy with him and his family. His daughter has raised them millions.

 Anyway, it all falls on deaf ears. I might as well be arguing with a wall. If you think this is good legal practice and Trump had a fair trail, I can't help you. Have a nice day.

Don't need your help.

I believe you presume to suit your argument without fact to back it up. Yours is an intransigent position, I have no interest in changing your opinion, just stating my opinion.

The OJ trial was a great example in the quality of defense teams. OJ's put serious doubt into the jury due to an average prosecution performance and poor police decisions. In Trumps case it was an inept defense coming up against a strong prosecution team. OJ was guilty, just had a great defense.

That you think all people carry a bias even into a court case reflects poorly on your thoughts of peoples integrity.

Im sure Trump and his team are doing backflips that Cannon was given the chair, her perceived bias is every bit that of Merchan.

Good punting.

Rodent

Trump $1.85 Biden $2.86 Kennedy $42 Obama $29!

Interesting Trump is now shorter than before he became a felon. 

Dems seem to be allowing negative publicity about Biden's cognitive abilities. Probably means they intend to sub him out. Great news for me if it plays out that way.

Rodent

Nice to see the U.S prosecutor in the Hunter Biden case introduce Hunter's laptop into evidence proving it to be legitimate.
The lies told by Joe Biden about it being Russian disinformation and the banning of the story by Big Tech surely amounts to election interference in the 2020 election.
The New York Post's story has been vindicated. The FBI was complicit. Totally unacceptable that the FBI would be so partisan. No wonder a convicted criminal is favoured to win the next election. He's the only one promising to clean the joint out.

Bushbookie

Just see that the majority of the empaneled jurors on the Hunter Biden trial when asked juring the enpanelment process the Question " Have you or do you know anyone in your family or friends circle that has used drugs and the trauma that comes with drug use . Majority apparently have . Could enpanel any 12 people in Australia or any piont of the Western World and the majority would be the same . Prohibition has never worked anywhere .

Rodent

Trump $1.82, Biden $2.92, Kennedy $65, Obama $34 and Gavin Newsom $42. I really think Sleepy Joe is going to retire or be retired and not contest the election.

thefalcon

if hunter is convicted then "yes". but seeing his confusion at the recent summit when his wife had to molly-coddle him i'd say he has to retire regardless of hunters trial.

would that leave kamala harris POTUS?

Rodent

Joe was found incompetent to stand trial so it is taking the pi$$ to say he's competent to serve another term as Prez.

Rodent

Trump $1.78 and Biden out to $3.25.

Bushbookie

Michelle O'Bama versus Trump in the last 4 months would be interesting . While not a Natural Politician shes as sharp as anyone out there . Her odds have halved in last week . Polls are showing its Still marginally very close in the 6 swing states that will decide this election .Dem Polls are showing shes more popular then Biden .