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Rain, hail or shine, still a front runners goat track. Was hopeful the rain would even things out, but **** no.
Totally disgraceful. Will not be putting a dime on there again.
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  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    511 posts
    Bias getting worse if you can believe that. If i was a trainer whos horse settled further back than 2nd i would have demanded my horse be scratched. No point wasting a run on a biased bog for nothing

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  • MuldoonMuldoon    344 posts
    Got to agree.  If you haven't seen it, watch Estimator's race, was in driving rain.
  • Bomber1Bomber1    20 posts
    What's the main issue with Bunbury seems the straight is shorter since the upgrade,used to be a long run home the swoopers loved it.
  • RodentRodent    7,118 posts
    edited June 5
    I was busy and didn't see this meeting. Doing it now. Only 5 races in but can't see an issue yet. Hit The Lights was 1 out and 2 back and bolted in. Also in the 5th Cherry Can Run was 3rd last and only got outbobbed by Beau Talk who was 6th on the fence at the 600m mark.
     The first race I still can't believe. 56.71 for the first 800m. That's taking the pi$$. Of course the leader is going to win when it's the favourite.
    p.s race 6 winner was 5th at the 600m
     The last 3 winners were on speed mudlarks. Arnray ran 38.45 his last 600m and was there to be run over. Obviously there were no proper stayers who could handle the wet and he plodded his way to victory.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,063 posts
    rodent, there are no stayers in WA, full stop.

    have a look at any e.s. meeting and there is always at least 1 race, sometimes 2 at 2000m+
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,063 posts
    e.g. today 5/6...sandown 1 x 2100m, warwick farm 1 x 2200m, balaklava 1 x 2212m 
    doomben like belmont, nil.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    This was a philosophy of a past administration that has proven with the passage of time, to have destroyed the fabric of WA Racing on several fronts. 

    Staying types are no longer bred in WA as the focus is on 2yo bonus schemes that have bred inferior horses that can only win in closed competition of an isolated zone. 


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  • meatpiemeatpie    456 posts
    edited June 6

    This was a philosophy of a past administration that has proven with the passage of time, to have destroyed the fabric of WA Racing on several fronts. 


    Staying types are no longer bred in WA as the focus is on 2yo bonus schemes that have bred inferior horses that can only win in closed competition of an isolated zone. 


    Where is there any evidence that this was the philosophical position that past administrations took.

    It is a very long bow you draw.

    There hasnt been a focus on stayers in Australia let alone WA for decades upon decades.. Australian racing for decades relied on NZ to produce stayers, they now have in recent years moved away to more commercial stallions. There isnt another Zabeel or Sir Tristam on the horizon

    Even now there is just a handful of staying sires in Australasia, some that come to mind Americain, Puissance de Lune, Savabeel, Dundeel, So You Think and maybe Pierro.

    Name the last stallion in WA that had a Staying focus, I cant think of many post Admiral Lincoln. Spiritjim has a great pedigree to produce stayers whether he gets support is another issue.

    Racing Administrators arent totally to blame nor was it a purposeful intent, participants have set that agenda for decades. It is the racing participant that wants the early return.

    Australian racing not just WA have focused on races up to 2000 metres, dont see it changing in the short term.




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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    Then simply you were not listening.

    Perth Cup was reduced in distance and as a consequence everything else got hit on the head. 

    It was deliberate. 

    Stallions brought here in that same period couldn't get a winner past 1600M some not past 1400M. They of course were second rate that couldn't stand elsewhere and WA Racing got dumbed down. 

    Staying racing is not 2400M that is a baseline distance for a stayer. Can you name a single horse that has won at the shortened distance of 2400M in a Perth Cup, that has then gone onto to anything apart from Guyno? Which Perth Cup since it was shortened, has been any quality at all as a field ?  

    The last WA Stallion which had a genuine chance of throwing a stayer was of course Blackfriars. You just needed to send a damsire that got over a distance.

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  • meatpiemeatpie    456 posts
    I forgot Blackfriars, Cheraw and maybe Scenic.
  • meatpiemeatpie    456 posts

    Then simply you were not listening.


    Perth Cup was reduced in distance and as a consequence everything else got hit on the head. 

    It was deliberate. 

    Stallions brought here in that same period couldn't get a winner past 1600M some not past 1400M. They of course were second rate that couldn't stand elsewhere and WA Racing got dumbed down. 

    Staying racing is not 2400M that is a baseline distance for a stayer. Can you name a single horse that has won at the shortened distance of 2400M in a Perth Cup, that has then gone onto to anything apart from Guyno? Which Perth Cup since it was shortened, has been any quality at all as a field ?  

    The last WA Stallion which had a genuine chance of throwing a stayer was of course Blackfriars. You just needed to send a damsire that got over a distance.
    The French Derby was reduced from 2500 metres to 2100 metres.

    There is talk of reducing the Victorian Derby and Oaks from 2500 metres to 2000 metres.

    It is a consequence of what people want to race.
  • meatpiemeatpie    456 posts
    edited June 6
    The Perth Cup whether it was 3200metres or 2400 metres has seen a steady decline in quality for years as a consequence of the emergence of the Sydney Autumn Carnival, increased stakemoney over the spring carnival and the focus of Hong Kong.

    It wouldnt matter what distance the race has lost its relevance.

    I would vote 3200 metres for histories sake.


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  • RodentRodent    7,118 posts
    If you put up big money for 2yo racing, that is what people will chase. Big money, quick return. Forever and a day I have said that staying races need to be worth more money to reflect the time and money needed to develop a stayer.
     Imagine if all 2400m races were worth double their 1200m equivalent? What would buyers be demanding then?
     What if most races were 2400m and they only had 1 1200m race on the program? I'm not advocating for it but breeders will breed what buyers demand.
     Instead of continually pandering to the breeders, you need to draw a line in the sand and put your thumb on the scales in favour of classic bred horses. They need the help. Crap 2yos running for 80k in October with Westspeed on top are getting more money than horses winning Cups.
     I'd love to see 2yo prizemoney wound back or at least frozen with the savings put towards the longer races. 
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,846 posts
    meatpie said:

    The Perth Cup whether it was 3200metres or 2400 metres has seen a steady decline in quality for years



    For me racing in WA has been in decline in recent years. Very ordinary these days.

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  • Bomber1Bomber1    20 posts
    What's all this got to do with the Bunbury track.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,846 posts
    Races are conducted there

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  • Bomber1Bomber1    20 posts
    I'll rephrase the question what's the leader biased Bunbury track got to do with staying races.
  • JimmyPopJimmyPop    327 posts
    The Bunbury track is a disgrace. You only need to stand at the winning post and check the undulations.
    A leading jockey stated that Bunbury is the worst track that we race on in Western Australia. And, he is a leading jockey.
    It will not be dealt with as it should as RWWA spent $27m on the refurbishment and there will not be an admission of guilt.

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  • Bomber1Bomber1    20 posts
    Wow that's not good I have heard a few trainers express there concerns.

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,693 posts
    In real terms it is bloody brand new

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