Twitter interviews are they worth it now ?Harness & Greyhounds

Frog

All to friendly.

Friday seemed they have become a political joke for drivers who are in a prickle.

Friday preview seemed to be a set up.

Too get the people in the know to listen to them.

I may be wrong and watching a different replay.

Its getting very hard too have a bet on.

But for punters listening its hard to find the truth.

Race 1 was a classic.Rasal $4.60 into $3.

warrenrobinson

Interesting comments Frog and i tend to agree. At times very unprofessional by some so called professionals' Presentation is everything and the presentation at times is very grubby.

JayJay

It was a Vinny Knight encore from the past for the FFA.....complete with assertions of some contortionists having their heads in anatomically difficult positions and tongue in cheek wink wink suggestions of boat racing. This is the professional image that we should be seeking to assist the image of the industry? Nope.

Rocket_Reign

Some drivers genuinely lie in there interviews regarding tactics which isn’t a good look but I think they’re good for the punter overall

warrenrobinson

Unfortunately the figures don't back up your view.

Rocket_Reign

warrenrobinson said:

Unfortunately the figures don't back up your view.

A few of my owners are big/pro punters and they bet more off the interviews and openly say it so not sure where you get that from

warrenrobinson

Certainly designed to boost turnover but again unfortunately turnover is in free fall.

sonny

Hi Rocket ,Are your Pro punters living of the punt or do they work??

Rocket_Reign

sonny said:

Hi Rocket ,Are your Pro punters living of the punt or do they work??

A couple off them are living off it as a full time income with no outside job and a couple have jobs and punt on the side profitably

Rocket_Reign

warrenrobinson said:

Certainly designed to boost turnover but again unfortunately turnover is in free fall.

Yeah I fail to see how that means the interviews aren’t helping

Gilgamesh

100% if you were doing it on professional or semi professional level you would be mad not to be listening to all intwrviews.

That said you would need to know what to take from it and what to take as a grain of salt but you would build that ability pretty quickly i assume. Rembering hearing Voaky say punters seemingly want it handed to them on a platter but its more just having some idea what the intentions are with a horse - listening in to any sort of interview and some times the driver/trainer of a horse is the worst person you want to be listening to regard a speed map I.E. that interstate driver that was over for the Nullarbor previously. "We will be leading" nec minute crossed in 3 strides.

IMO they do help with giving confidence that things are above board.

Gilgamesh

Also with that said aome drivers do tend to go over negative on what other connections intend or atleast say they intend to do instead of thinking about what their horse is actually capable of.

I'd love to see more of the Decampo style agression where "it's nice that you intend to lead with your horse but my horse is actually quicker" type driving. He isnt over the top IMO, example sportsportsports COULD have held up Friday but rightly did the smart thing and sat.

There is still too much waiting for the perfect scenario before we actually try to win a race.

Rocket_Reign

Punters only want to use the interviews for speedmaps and confirmation of what they’ve already worked out, drivers/trainers opinions on how the horse is going is irrelevant because they all over rate their own horses.

The Sport race is a good example Aiden said he was leading so he went from 4$ to 9$ October went from $1.65 to $2.6 as it now looked breeze horse and Rascal went $4 to $2.6 coz it looked to be 1/1. Aiden then meekly handed this is where interviews don’t help

Markovina

My opinion , got no interest in twitter , or what they are saying , and i found those on track , in the cart interviews very awkward , one interviewer use to say , if you get the lead will you keep it , well thats none of your business , thats tactics , and you cant ask them that 

As old time Qld trainer John Kann once said , the tip and the information is only for the owner , because they pay the bills 

One thing which could really increase the turnover of any code is the Sky Channel host , they have an ex newsreader and a son of one of the other  presenters , they read the form like they are reading it off a cue card thats no good to me , The Frid night Canterbury gallops circuit , they had this youngish tipster , enthusiastic , gave logical reasons eg beaten 3 lenghs in an Oakleigh Plate , 1st up run unlucky , its tremendous value at $8 , i could have had $100 e/w on every tip of his , but his strike rate wasnt good enough 

Punters want to be excited , if a Sky presenter had even a break even strike rate , and he comes on and says look im declaring this , this will brain this field , punters will bet

savethegame

Don't take much notice of prerace- interviews due to same few drivers porkies , Good for who ? the ones that know the truth re tactics, prior to interview's General in the marketplace the pea has already been backed prior to any interviews .So what Trent Cooper& the likes are waste of time and money?.
Strong Rumour, believe meetings will be called from Central location from control
room huge saving to codes re--flights etc so can't imagine pre-race interviews will survive if correct.

Last deliberate interview made a point listening to was when Machlani won on 12th Jan race 1. It was a massive tip.going on its previous start was huge drop in class opened 16s around 5am, by 7am it was 5.50. Trent Cooper didn't get direct interview but said Voak was hoping to go back three back the marker line.

Was told that it , was strong chance of leading and still good enough to win this race from breeze. Ritchie Bell had it on top Gilga tipped it mentioned The Fav. Barrier1was good chance of getting crossed so at the death knock it drifted 5.50 fixed to paying 7.50 tote and fixed odds thought then ,was the drift associated with Voaks comments, and what did Trent Cooper think of his driving tactics he had to relay to the general public. Of cause it was hard driven to cross lead won by 11metres.


But what lies do they reinforce, the punters that have left following the industry, to justify tags Crims on Rims. .Cheats on Chariots? that's how they do it. Participants forget Harness had a enormous following once and they are all not dead yet.

Gilgamesh

Rocket_Reign said:

Punters only want to use the interviews for speedmaps and confirmation of what they’ve already worked out, drivers/trainers opinions on how the horse is going is irrelevant because they all over rate their own horses.

The Sport race is a good example Aiden said he was leading so he went from 4$ to 9$ October went from $1.65 to $2.6 as it now looked breeze horse and Rascal went $4 to $2.6 coz it looked to be 1/1. Aiden then meekly handed this is where interviews don’t help

Well there you go that's a perfect example of me saying you have to take some of the comments with a grain of salt, I didnt realise he said he was going to hold up but face value you can easily look at that race and realise he is smart enough not to hold up.

There is also obviously the case where someone might have intentions to hold up but the horse warms up like a busted and they decide to sit.

If you are doing the form on a regular basis if the racing is being carried out with integrity then the interviews should almost be superfluous to your thoughts other than to just reaffirm anything.

Frog

Just listened to the interviews after work today.

A big difference between parade interviews and single 

interviews

No open mic at the comedy club. 

getthechange

how times have changed

my father liked a bet and was a very good trainer - his saying was if he went out of his way to tell you to back his horse you would get the truth but if you asked you could be told a lie - he did get 12 months ith Oros Flash at the trots and 12 months with Jinogra att th gallops when horses won and were well backed after nor being backed in previous starts - also copped stewards pleasure after blowing up in the stewrds room and had to wait until a committeeman that was blackballing him died before he got his licence  back  -  he always said he got time for winning not getting beaten - 

there are a few drivers that  dont do interviews and I think Peter Schrader is one of them which isn't surprising as Jimmy the jet played his cards very close to his chest and would need to be "on" before telling anyone - old school drivers wouldnt have been keen to do interviews

ddint it used to be an offence to give info to anyone other than the owners

just returned from Sweden Norway and Denmark after attending the Eliteloppet in May - will post some pics and videos from the three days we were in attendance in the next week or so

getthechange

Eliteloppet 2024

After watching Just Believe in the 2023 eliteloppet we hoped he would contest the 2024 but alas NZ put on a big race and just Believe went there instead - 

We being my wife and myself and Craig and Yvonne Abercromby

We were aware that restaurants became booked out fairly quickly and as such we booked tickets five minutes after restaurant/tickets were opened for sale and opted for a three day pass

Day 1 Friday -ticket for admission only so we decided to have a hot dog - all took one bite and through them in the bin ( either the young bloke cooking them didnt know what he was doing or they are the worst hot dogs in the world)

Races on Day one are probably something like a midweek meeting but we got to have a good look around and watched races from the grandstand - top of straight and from near the finishing post but couldnt get access to the stabling area

On returning to our hotel I overheard two guys talking about GP trots and introduced ourselves.

Good luck for us as the two guys were Duncan Macpherson and Michel Taranto and they very kindly said they would try to arrange stable passes - at breakfast on the Sunday Duncan produced two stable pass tickets for Carig and myself

Day 2 - As mentioned earlier we booked as soon as tickets were released and we ended up on the windows overlooking the presentation area which we also had for the main race day. Seated at our table was a form analyst and Oscar who was providing the funds and both were very informative. At the end of the day when we went to pay for the drinks Oscar had settled the account - he said we were guests in his country

Day 3 - Oscar came and said hello - he had a losing day on the Saturday but he was lining up again -  On our table was a guy who owned 20 broodmares and a number which were in foal to stallions in a number of countries - His trainer was also on our table (also an Oscar) and his idol

and mentor was Eric Raffen who drovet rhe winner  of the Eliteloppet Horsey Dreams

Duncan Macpherson  described the Eliteloppet as Theatre and that isa pretty accurate call - 

hopefully the attachments capture the theatre of it all - if I can get them to download !!!