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The slow pace did not suit our local hope. 528 did a tremendous coverage. 
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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,920 posts
    My post is more appropriate under this topic:

    Apart from a lack of initiative by Jnr, Never Ending was still disappointing compared to his previous run at Menangle. Jnr should have went before Kerryn Manning and High Above who justified the move by breezing and finishing 3rd beaten 2.7m. I am confident that Never Ending would have been very competitive from that position..

    Sectionals were not dissimilar in the two races and Never Ending did not hit the line as strongly in the Eureka.

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  • JayJayJayJay    7,924 posts
    Slot races have a place in racing, I don't think they should be overused, but put together correctly with participants who want to play with their cash at the harness blackjack table, go for your life.

    But a restricted race to 3 and 4 year old Australian bred horses that, via a disgusting stallion tax, rips money out of breeders Australia wide, is rightly condemned and it is not "garbage" to express such a view. It is quite untenable to have the "worlds richest harness race" for not even close to being the best horses in Australia that also devours money from the Industry.

    That it was an absolute snorefest is not the races fault but sadly initiative was in short supply. A good on track presentation on 528 can't hide the fact that the race itself was terrible.

    HRA are not the organisation to be leading Harness out of the wilderness. They have overseen disastrous decision after disastrous decision and have orchestrated the greatest exodus of participants, breeders and horses the Industry has ever seen.

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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    178 posts
    Good horses still need luck Great horses create luck.

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  • AbbysAceAbbysAce    608 posts
    Never Ending to be driven by Jeff from the Wiggles

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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,036 posts
    edited September 8
    Chariotsonfire said:

    My post is more appropriate under this topic:


    Apart from a lack of initiative by Jnr, Never Ending was still disappointing compared to his previous run at Menangle. Jnr should have went before Kerryn Manning and High Above who justified the move by breezing and finishing 3rd beaten 2.7m. I am confident that Never Ending would have been very competitive from that position..

    Sectionals were not dissimilar in the two races and Never Ending did not hit the line as strongly in the Eureka.
    That is an excellent and fair summation 

    I did post in the preview that id have no hessitation after 500-600 metres re Never Ending going to the breeze , the race panned out ideally for that , Kerryn ambled to the breeze in the home straight , Hall was directly behind that horse , he could have got the breeze on his ear 

    I will go one further than you Chariots , re if Hall had done that , saying very competitive , i say it gives the winner an all mighty fright , and at worst runs 2nd  , and what was 2nd prizemoney 400k or something , and he sits back in the field  !!!

    I did ask Rocket pre race , if he trained Never Ending what his instructions to G Hall would have been , but he wasnt prepared to answer it

    And as for the ones bagging the Eureka, what happens if there is a big uplift in young people getting interested / involved in harness racing in the next 6-12 mths as a result of the Eureka  , no they are just born whingers 
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  • JayJayJayJay    7,924 posts
    TABtouch only but win pool $125k  Farnley Quality at Belmont $64k, win pool $2 million Eureka was 18k. Industry savior? Yeah, right, pass the Kool Aid Gracie.

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  • ChariotsonfireChariotsonfire    2,920 posts
    Also Supertab only all in win, place and exotics for Eureka was $51.5k.

    I randomly chose Race 4 Belmont yesterday with a stake of $40k and Supertab turnover was $91.3k.

    Obviously fixed odds could have been vastly different but trend likely to be the same.

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  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    894 posts
    Chariotsonfire said:

    My post is more appropriate under this topic:


    Apart from a lack of initiative by Jnr, Never Ending was still disappointing compared to his previous run at Menangle. Jnr should have went before Kerryn Manning and High Above who justified the move by breezing and finishing 3rd beaten 2.7m. I am confident that Never Ending would have been very competitive from that position..

    Sectionals were not dissimilar in the two races and Never Ending did not hit the line as strongly in the Eureka.



    He ran his last 400 in 25.7 so it might not of looked like he ran through the line as strong but being a horse and not a car he can only go so fast

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  • AbbysAceAbbysAce    608 posts
    Rocket_Reign said:

    Chariotsonfire said:

    My post is more appropriate under this topic:


    Apart from a lack of initiative by Jnr, Never Ending was still disappointing compared to his previous run at Menangle. Jnr should have went before Kerryn Manning and High Above who justified the move by breezing and finishing 3rd beaten 2.7m. I am confident that Never Ending would have been very competitive from that position..

    Sectionals were not dissimilar in the two races and Never Ending did not hit the line as strongly in the Eureka.



    He ran his last 400 in 25.7 so it might not of looked like he ran through the line as strong but being a horse and not a car he can only go so fast
    Given no chance IMO

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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    178 posts
    Markovina said:

    Chariotsonfire said:

    My post is more appropriate under this topic:


    Apart from a lack of initiative by Jnr, Never Ending was still disappointing compared to his previous run at Menangle. Jnr should have went before Kerryn Manning and High Above who justified the move by breezing and finishing 3rd beaten 2.7m. I am confident that Never Ending would have been very competitive from that position..

    Sectionals were not dissimilar in the two races and Never Ending did not hit the line as strongly in the Eureka.
    That is an excellent and fair summation 

    I did post in the preview that id have no hessitation after 500-600 metres re Never Ending going to the breeze , the race panned out ideally for that , Kerryn ambled to the breeze in the home straight , Hall was directly behind that horse , he could have got the breeze on his ear 

    I will go one further than you Chariots , re if Hall had done that , saying very competitive , i say it gives the winner an all mighty fright , and at worst runs 2nd  , and what was 2nd prizemoney 400k or something , and he sits back in the field  !!!

    I did ask Rocket pre race , if he trained Never Ending what his instructions to G Hall would have been , but he wasnt prepared to answer it

    And as for the ones bagging the Eureka, what happens if there is a big uplift in young people getting interested / involved in harness racing in the next 6-12 mths as a result of the Eureka  , no they are just born whingers 
    Markovina said:

    Chariotsonfire said:

    My post is more appropriate under this topic:


    Apart from a lack of initiative by Jnr, Never Ending was still disappointing compared to his previous run at Menangle. Jnr should have went before Kerryn Manning and High Above who justified the move by breezing and finishing 3rd beaten 2.7m. I am confident that Never Ending would have been very competitive from that position..

    Sectionals were not dissimilar in the two races and Never Ending did not hit the line as strongly in the Eureka.
    That is an excellent and fair summation 

    I did post in the preview that id have no hessitation after 500-600 metres re Never Ending going to the breeze , the race panned out ideally for that , Kerryn ambled to the breeze in the home straight , Hall was directly behind that horse , he could have got the breeze on his ear 

    I will go one further than you Chariots , re if Hall had done that , saying very competitive , i say it gives the winner an all mighty fright , and at worst runs 2nd  , and what was 2nd prizemoney 400k or something , and he sits back in the field  !!!

    I did ask Rocket pre race , if he trained Never Ending what his instructions to G Hall would have been , but he wasnt prepared to answer it

    And as for the ones bagging the Eureka, what happens if there is a big uplift in young people getting interested / involved in harness racing in the next 6-12 mths as a result of the Eureka  , no they are just born whingers 

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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    178 posts
    Unusual for Rocket not to make a comment.
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  • Rocket_ReignRocket_Reign    894 posts
    warrenrobinson said:

    Unusual for Rocket not to make a comment.




    No handicap no turnover no future

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  • warrenrobinsonwarrenrobinson    178 posts
    Good boy Rocket

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  • OffthebitOffthebit    608 posts
    It’s easy to say in hindsight but jnr could have gone to the breeze and then taken cover on kerryn. From the 1x1 he would have been extremely hard to beat.
    It looked like a pre conceived plan to settle at the back of the field and come with one late run.
    But with the lack of pace jnr needed to move early and it is a tactic he is usually brilliant at doing.
    I wonder if he was tied down by driving instructions?
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  • sonnysonny    1,206 posts
    When has that ever stopped him.. 
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  • OffthebitOffthebit    608 posts
    edited September 8
    Probably never. I’m just trying to be diplomatic because jnr is a champion driver.
    He was either tied down to instructions or simply got it wrong. He is human after all

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  • savethegamesavethegame    2,922 posts
    Too much money to roll the dice early, only two that made early moves were the leader ,Don Hugo, HIgh Above only two horses that had stablemates,

    Jnr said pre-race he wasn't changing back & late that he was totally reliant on the pace being on. Bad luck it wasn't.

    Kerry Manning went forward to ride shotgun for stable-mates who drew 1&2 but neither could hold the lead . Just imagine if no camp had tworunnners, you would have to set your alarm..
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  • MarkovinaMarkovina    3,036 posts
    Offthebit said:

    Probably never. I’m just trying to be diplomatic because jnr is a champion driver.
    He was either tied down to instructions or simply got it wrong. He is human after all

    Well it was a bad race to get the tactics wrong  $1 million to the winner and great prizemoney for the place getters 

    The form card of horses speaks for everything , Kerryn Mannings drive 3 starts back at Melton 2200 metres they go 1.56 ( average time ) it runs 2nd , look at some of the other horses in the race , Jaccka Connor runs 3rd , Radius was in the race , they are ordinary horses .

    Never Ending is a Cups quality  horse , i think the best and safest option is to put a top class local reinsman on an interstate pacer  , because they know the track the sectionals the whole lot , and  for example Gavin or Blake Fitzpatrick would have been ideal , and Menangle is a unique and totally different harness track to any other in Aust , like in my opinion Albion Park and Melton would be far easier for an interstate driver to drive in , because they are normal harness racing tracks 
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  • G-MacG-Mac    1,603 posts
    Luke McCarthy should have charged the other drivers for that tutorial.

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