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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    And how was the rest of the sale? Thought you were going.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,127 posts
    I made a economic decision based on the feedback from my clients who asked for my shortlist. They simply lost the desire to purchase with the exception of one, who I passed onto David Houston directly.

    Of those lots I liked the look of on paper, they made the following results.

    Lot 31 passed in at $200,000 with a reserve of $220,000 (I was told he was a withdrawal and this largely influenced my decision to stay at home)

    Lot 127 sold for $27,000

    Lot 133 withdrawn

    Lot 168 passed in at $10,000 Reserve $25,000

    Lot 170 sold for $170,000

    Lot 178 sold for $44,000

    Lot 225 withdrawn

    Lot 255 sold for $210,000

    Lot 260 sold for $210,000

    Lot 290 sold for $290,000

    Lot 310 passed in for $300,000 reserve $350,000

    Lot 406 withdrawn

    In total, 18 lots made $100,000 or more over the two days. The broodmare sale commences in the morning. Anyone who would like my shortlist for those lots is most welcome by dropping me an email to damien.wyer.racing@bigpond.com  
  • senseisensei    100 posts
    Casino Prince fared a little better in the Broodmare category.

    Longport $800,000
    Sookie $700,000
  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Another good start for a new stallion he covered 176 mares in his first season at $66,000 .
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited February 2014
    Legless prediction *-:)

    15 of his first crop will sell at above 100k (money back)
    5 will win their fee back.
    159 will do their ar*es

    That wont matter though - their names will be on the A list and they will get invites to the "right" lunches ;)

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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    And what brought this on! Perth is about to experince some of the above from about now to 18/19/ of Feb =))
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited February 2014
    :O Perth has a 1st season sire for a fee of  $66 000.00 ? :O
  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    well thats never going to happen. What about Bob Peters having 2 redoutes choice at Lark Hill trials Monday!
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited February 2014
    no idea how much of this bloke he owns however I would assume that a few of his better mares will be on there way over and we will see a couple of All Too Hards at Lark Hill in a few years.
    =D> Good on him

    8-> one powerball!!!

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,308 posts
    Into It said:

    well thats never going to happen. What about Bob Peters having 2 redoutes choice at Lark Hill trials Monday!

    Witch are the 2 Redoute's?
  • dungydungy    9,278 posts

    Into It said:

    well thats never going to happen. What about Bob Peters having 2 redoutes choice at Lark Hill trials Monday!

    Witch are the 2 Redoute's?
    One out of the good mare Broadway Belle
  • JordanJordan    1,827 posts
    I see Jason Pateman training the well bred babies for Bob Peters
  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,308 posts
    edited March 2014

    All Too Hard claimed the Champion 3yo Colt Award last season in what was acknowledged as a stellar year for three-year-old colts and geldings, polling 264 votes with Pierro on 148 and It's A Dundeel on 119.

    Indeed in any other year, All Too Hard would have been the nation's undisputed Horse of the Year, but while his half-sister Black Caviar was still racing, he was going to find it hard to deny her despite his four Group 1's and a Cox Plate second.

    All Too Hard earned the Champion Colt title during an awesome three year-old season. After powering past Pierro in the G1 Caulfield Guineas, he lost no friends when caught on the line by Ocean Park in the G1 Cox Plate at Moonee Valley.

    Team Hawkes brought him back for an unbeaten WFA Autumn campaign that included the G1 Orr Stakes and G1 Futurity Stakes in Melbourne before a break and finishing with a thundering victory in the G1 All Aged Stakes at Randwick.

    “All Too Hard is just an absolute athlete and is right up there with Lonhro,” co-trainer Michael Hawkes said. “He’s got the family, the pedigree and a big heart.”

    All Too Hard's first season saw him cover an initial book of impeccable class and quality.

    He covered no less than 18 Group One winners including Allez Wonder, Bel Mer, Bollinger, Devil Moon, Fashions Afield, Headway, Mid Summer Music, Maybe Diva, Mirjulisa Lass, Regimental Gal, Scarlett Lady, Serious Speed, & Sun Classique in addition to covering another 54 individual Group or Listed winners.

    Also in the first book were the dams of a dozen Group One winners including that of NZ Champion 2yo of last season Ruud Awakening, 3 times G1 winner & Champion Miler in Singapore Better Life, Cox Plate winner Savabeel & Golden Slipper winner Polar Success.

    All Too Hard was also the chosen mate for the dams of another 22 Group and Listed winners and the full or half relations to a further 16 Group One winners including Carry On Cutie, Catbird, Hurtle Myrtle, Igugu, Laisserfaire, Royal Descent, Samaready, Snitzel, Snitzerland, Typhoon Tracy, etc.

    All Too Hard’s initial book is an A to Z of mares who won or have foaled Group 1 and Group 2 winners.

    “It was a difficult decision for us to retire a colt with so much more to offer as a racehorse, particularly with The Championships on offer this year,” said Vinery Stud’s general manager Peter Orton.

    “All Too Hard did all we could have asked for and more on the track and is now excelling in the breeding barn.”

    This is from racing and sport and im not usually one to pick on this sort of stuff but i find it funny that they can say that All Too Hard is excelling in the breeding barn dispite not even having a runner, yes he has covered an exceptional book of mares but how is it that he is excelling?

  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    For people who have never worked a stallion some of them do not have a clue what to do in the breeding barn obviously ATH knows exactly how it all works that is why they have used the word excelling.

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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    not firing blanks is a good start
    =))

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  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,308 posts

    Makes sense.

  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    1,939 posts
    I really don't think Damo's comments on this horse hold much credibility, from memory Damo's valuation of this horse was somewhere between 500 and 700 k or was it 200 - 300k ?, and very suitable for Tasmania I think it was
  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    You never know, he may still throw goats, that's the thing with breeding..... You just never know
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,127 posts

    I really don't think Damo's comments on this horse hold much credibility, from memory Damo's valuation of this horse was somewhere between 500 and 700 k or was it 200 - 300k ?, and very suitable for Tasmania I think it was

    So what has changed ? He has served one of the best group of mares that any first season sire has ever got. If he can't throw black type from that lot he won't need comments from me to influence the market. So what we have now is world class hype and marketing. He may eventually when those first season yearlings reach sales rings around the East Coast, make huge sums, and that will still mean nothing. He has to PRODUCE.


  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    ATH has it all in front of him and will get every opportunity, at $66000 stud fee his connections will be keen to get returns asap. Hype and marketing is something you know all about Damien....after doing homework on Shinzig I was disappointed Damien that you would try to flog WA another second rate stallion. WA has the reputation as a dumping ground for staallions. As a person in a position of responsibility you should not be encouraging this, If AtH fails then you could have the ultimate revenge of bringing him to WA. =))
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,127 posts
    Into It said:

    ATH has it all in front of him and will get every opportunity, at $66000 stud fee his connections will be keen to get returns asap. Hype and marketing is something you know all about Damien....after doing homework on Shinzig I was disappointed Damien that you would try to flog WA another second rate stallion. WA has the reputation as a dumping ground for staallions. As a person in a position of responsibility you should not be encouraging this, If AtH fails then you could have the ultimate revenge of bringing him to WA. =))

    The only comparison that you can possibly make is that I have spoken about both Stallions. Other than that they have no connection whatsoever. The asking price on Shinzig is slightly more than half that of a service fee for All Too Hard, and for anyone looking to stand a breeding to race proposition, that is value.

    All Too Hard without doubt will throw winners from that group of mares he covered. Almost anything would. But is it OK if I shop elsewhere ?
  • Thoroly_BreadThoroly_Bread    2,308 posts

    Like you said Shinzig is a breed to race stallion and i can tell you from first hand experance it is a hell of a lot cheaper to buy from the sales unless you have you own property...at least some of the risk is taken out.

    Back to ATH tho I think he could be a success with the mare he covered he should but you never know he might be like Occy a one horse wonder then put out the back for hobby breeders.

     

  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,127 posts
    Day One of the MM Gold Coast Sale and 13 All Too Hard yearlings were offered. 10 sold to a maximum of $300,000 being five times his service fee (which has now dropped from $66,000 to $55,000 almost identical numbers being served in three seasons). The 10 averaged $235,000 with the three passed in not attracting bids past $80,000 $110,000 & $100,000. His sire Casino Prince had three on offer but only one sold for $115,000.

    It will be interesting to see the next few days to see if he can remain commercially viable.

    Pierro struggled as well for such a high profile stallion. He sold 11 out of 15 offered. A high of $360,000 with an average of $134,090.

    The sale was topped at $800,000 with most of the proven stallions getting reasonable money, but a lot have come back to the market. Fastnet Rock doesn't seem to have that immunity of years past.

    Day two should be interesting.
  • TiversTivers    7,274 posts
    edited January 2016
    And that's only 11 and 10 of the 200 or whatever by each bred..................
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,127 posts
    145 live foals, 45 offered at this sale al
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited January 2016
    Oh how unlucky for some vendors =))

    Seems to be a lot of lots passed in at one bid below the reserve 8-} :-j
  • TiversTivers    7,274 posts
    That's how it works.
    If the reserve is firm the auctioneers just call bids up to it.
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    :-? and who makes the bids for them to call - genuine buyers?
  • TiversTivers    7,274 posts
    No one.
    They get a card with the reserve written on it, and told whether firm or soft - and just do it.
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited January 2016
    not the way I understand it.
    If it was that way every lot that did not meet reserve would be listed as passed in at one bid under reserve. This is not the case.

    My take on it is that vendors throw dummy bids and stop at one bid under the reserve. For some reason vendor bids are not declared at the MM auctions I have attended and they should be IMHO

    But then again what would I know - to the Vendors I am just another sucker 8-}
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