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Track Manager resigns

West Australian Racing
DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,787 posts
West Australian Racing
Perth Racing's Track Manager, Cameron Sutherland resigned this morning.
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  • jumjum    3,555 posts
    edited February 2017

    And at a guess, to take up a role at the new Stadium. Where he has had all his fingers in the pie

    "Mr Cricket"     8->

    Was always using Perth Racing as a Stop Gap

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  • ChelseaChelsea    1,369 posts
    Great News, now go and get Nathan from Pinjarra who can prepare a perfect track.

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  • ChelseaChelsea    1,369 posts
    DamienWyer said:

    Perth Racing's Track Manager, Cameron Sutherland resigned this morning.

    Tell him to take his green paint with him

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  • spinkingspinking    3,916 posts
    There were a few on here myself included who had our uncertainties about him having it ready and getting it (the surface) ready and to stand up to the end of the carnival nearly, through what has been out wettest summer , not a bad effort, regardless of what ever position the bloke moves onto from here
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  • ColourfulRDColourfulRD    480 posts
    he didn't have it ready for when the actual carnival was on, plenty of happy trainers now

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  • RIORIO    14,892 posts
    Down at Pinnie today and that track looks a gem..I hope the young fella down there isn't tempted to the big smoke
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  • spinkingspinking    3,916 posts
    Have they missed a meeting over the summer . At the start of the Ascot season quite a few crew on here were potting the bloke about even having Ascot ready to race on . That was coming out of a wet winter fast forward 4 months after the wettest summer on record,and they have not lost one meeting . You are always going to hear the rumblings too hard, leader biased etc the fact is the show has gone on no meetings lost to track conditions

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  • BludnutBludnut    46 posts
    You can not compare Pinjarra to Ascot or Belmont. The race day and trial day workload and the time they have to prepare the tracks are completely different. Pinjarra had a complete makeover last year hence why it has come back in great condition. So many people on here saying the Masters were not going to go ahead, They did!

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  • BludnutBludnut    46 posts
    Plenty of happy trainers you say....it is only the ones who are not training winners that are unhappy!

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  • ChelseaChelsea    1,369 posts
    Bludnut said:

    You can not compare Pinjarra to Ascot or Belmont. The race day and trial day workload and the time they have to prepare the tracks are completely different. Pinjarra had a complete makeover last year hence why it has come back in great condition. So many people on here saying the Masters were not going to go ahead, They did!


    when was the first time the rail was in the true position this season?

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  • spinkingspinking    3,916 posts
    4 meetings into the Ascot season
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  • RIORIO    14,892 posts
    spinking said:

    Have they missed a meeting over the summer . At the start of the Ascot season quite a few crew on here were potting the bloke about even having Ascot ready to race on . That was coming out of a wet winter fast forward 4 months after the wettest summer on record,and they have not lost one meeting . You are always going to hear the rumblings too hard, leader biased etc the fact is the show has gone on no meetings lost to track conditions

    Chelsea stated it above. I think they put the season back 1 or 2 weeks from its original start date and they had the rail out for many weeks. That is all good track management for the conditions that are there..The reality is that those condition's were there due to some once again (second year in a row) poor decisions early in the off season.
    You cant allow someone or some organization to continually make the same mistakes year in year out.
    The work load between Pinnie and Ascot are obviously not comparable....However everyone has to prepare their tracks for what is being done on it. The bloke down at Pinnie has prepared his track really well for the traffic it has. I cant say the same thing about the guy in charge of Ascot.
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  • spinkingspinking    3,916 posts
    Rio isn't Caulfield cup day usually the first meeting back at Ascot . No difference to the start of Ascot season this year they had there first meeting on that day so no I don't think they delayed the start of Ascot for 1-2 weeks. It just seems to me there are a lot of people on here (myself included because I also potted the bloke) who for lack of better terminology ,want there cake & eat it too. Pot the bloke for thinking he wont have the track ready, and as I said after the wettest summer on record and Ascot not missing a meeting people are still potting him

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  • jumjum    3,555 posts

    Spink, Having a wet summer will only enhance grass growth. So this has more than likely has helped Mr Cricket out.

    As for a wet winter, it seemed like a we had a really wet winter because the previous 2 were the driest we had recorded in some time. Last year was not to far off our average. If you go back to 2011 and 2013 before he took over, we had almost an extra 100mm for the year and there were no problems. 

    I potted the bloke because he made the same mistakes as he did the year before. He never learnt his lesson. After all he "IS" suppose to be an expert in this field.

    Yes he did get the track up with help from the rail being out for the first couple of meeting. But if there was no issue with the track. Then why was there a need too trial horses on it before the first meeting.

    I feel his moving on will be a blessing for Perth Racing, as I feel he had fingers in to many other pies, instead of worrying about the position he was employed to do.

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  • BludnutBludnut    46 posts

    2015 was his or someone else's fault I grant you that as it was the incorrect application of something onto the turf that was to blame for the poor condition of the track.2016 they completed major drainage works which were five or six years late in coming and the turf did not grow back due to weather conditions. Now there were plenty of experts who said they would not be running on Ascot until the new year. Did not miss a meeting and whilst they did not run on the true for the big days I think you run on the best available pad. Nathan does a sensational job at Pinjarra but do not compare the two jobs as it is a ridiculous argument.

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  • BludnutBludnut    46 posts
    I will correct myself. They ran in the true the third Saturday meeting of the season and also on Railway Day..
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  • jumjum    3,555 posts
    And the major Drainage works were started in August 2015

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  • RIORIO    14,892 posts
    edited March 2017
    In my opinion....this is the most important summary

    I feel his moving on will be a blessing for Perth Racing, as I feel he
    had fingers in to many other pies, instead of worrying about the
    position he was employed to do

    Major drainage works starting late, application of wrong product - or right product at the wrong rate!!!...These are all management issues, and i think he was the manager....which then reverts back to the above statement.
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  • spinkingspinking    3,916 posts
    I am no expert on grass growth Jum . The average temp for this summer has been 26.7 as opposed to 29.1 for the previous 2 summers , we had the coldest winter in 6 years and the wettest in 5  these figures most probably don't equote to good growing conditions . Add to that the work rate the track experiences  basically 2 meetings a week for the season  I don't think that all these combined would mean good recouperation  for turf management, but as I said not really sure just my opion. As for him having his fingers in to many other pies I don't see that as any fault of his own , unless he was asked this at the interview stage of his application and he did not disclose ,and if that not being the case I see it more as RWWA or Perth Racing which ever one who employed him not duing there due diligence on him in the first place. I am not sticking up fore  the bloke I don't even know him  just saying it the way I am looking at it , might be a million miles away just my opinion

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  • spinkingspinking    3,916 posts
    Regardless lets hope for all concerned punters owners etc that his replacement does a good job wouldn't be the easiest gig in the world  specially if he reads PTT :))

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  • jumjum    3,555 posts
    spinking said:

    I am no expert on grass growth Jum . The average temp for this summer has been 26.7 as opposed to 29.1 for the previous 2 summers , we had the coldest winter in 6 years and the wettest in 5  these figures most probably don't equote to good growing conditions . Add to that the work rate the track experiences  basically 2 meetings a week for the season  I don't think that all these combined would mean good recouperation  for turf management, but as I said not really sure just my opion. As for him having his fingers in to many other pies I don't see that as any fault of his own , unless he was asked this at the interview stage of his application and he did not disclose ,and if that not being the case I see it more as RWWA or Perth Racing which ever one who employed him not duing there due diligence on him in the first place. I am not sticking up fore  the bloke I don't even know him  just saying it the way I am looking at it , might be a million miles away just my opinion



    He took on a Consultancy role with the new stadium after he was appointed Track Manager. Surely this would have to been approved by someone at Perth Racing. Because I would imagine the stadium would require significant study and involvement.

    Looking after our 2 Tracks and consulting on the new stadium would require plenty of hours in the day.

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  • spinkingspinking    3,916 posts
    You would think so mate .Agree be a long day allright
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  • JellJell    1,202 posts
    edited March 2017
    I'm working on the new stadium. I'm sure he'll be around on site once the turf starts to get laid. We can compile a list of questions from PTT users and I'll try to corner him and fire them off A Current Affair style :-@ :))

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  • spinkingspinking    3,916 posts
    how advanced is it inside Jell as opposed to what we see outside
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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    edited March 2017
    @notapunta you putting in for the gig ?
    I hear your efforts have been nothing short of extraordinary 
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    not sure what they do with their clippings but hope they have plenty of room for them
    :))
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  • JellJell    1,202 posts
    edited March 2017
    spinking said:

    how advanced is it inside Jell as opposed to what we see outside

    As usual on government jobs, the outside gets pushed first to create the illusion that the jobs getting done quickly. In reality every government job I've worked on blows out in time and cost, this is no exception. The main reason being delayed plans and changing plans. The inside doesn't reflect the outside, behind a long way.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    you could ask him a few questions like this: 

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  • jumjum    3,555 posts
    ^^^^ this had me :))  :))  =))  =))  @TheDiva

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  • buffybuffy    277 posts
    To Jell. Stadium behind a long way? Budgeted to finish Feb 2018. Now going to finish Nov/Dec 2017. That should mean its in front of schedule.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,301 posts
    that stadium will be the show-case of perth, and the envy of our eastern states cousins plus generate 100's of millions into the economy, within the next decade but in the interim it will pay for itself.
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