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- G-Mac March 2022
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- getthechange October 2023
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- Glen September 2019
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Why should anyone have to avoid them at all ?
This is the exact B.S. attitude that RWWA allowed to go on for too long and ultimately destroyed our breeding industry.
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re curmudgeon comments
Agree that 2yos should take more than 25% and that the 3yos should take a full penalty - having said that taking 75% forward is in my opinion much better than having 3yos win numerous 2yo race and two 3yo races and being eligible for a C0 R0 - they are only stopped from racing in an R0 by the condition "restricted to non winners"
I think Bill Delaney answered that and think he got a bit tongue tied with that answer - my guess is he was trying to say that Lord Lombo, Mighty Flying Thomas, CourageTells type horses that had won through to fast class or almost fast class and had dropped back to M1 or M2 couldn't be put back to fast class as it wouldn't be fair on connections if they had bought them as M1 horses - you would have to check with Bill as to if that was what he meant because his answer wasn't clear
we all have opinions and fair to say we all think we are right and we are entitled to express them - clearly I am in favour of the new system and will continue to highlight what I see as baseless negative comments but at the same time I respect your right to express an opposing view
re g hall field sizes - starters after acceptances
9-2-18 Wagin - 9 races = 82 starters 8-2-19 Albany = 9 races = 83 starters
9-2-18 - GPM - 10 races = 102 8 -2 19 - GPM = 10 races = 111
10-2-18 - Bun - 8 races = 80 9-2-19 - Bun - 8 races = 88 (2yo race not counted)
11-2-18 Bridge - 7 races = 65 10-2-19 - Collie - 7 races = 58
12-2-18 Pin - 8 races = 83 11-2-19 - Pin - 8 races = 82 (2yo not counted)
13-2-18 - GPC - 8 races = 76 12-2-19 - GPC - 8 races = 86
Total 488 508 ( 2yo not counted)
8 races with less than 8 at acceptance 1 race with less than 8 at acceptance
GPM 16-2-18 field sizes - 12-9-8-9-10-12-7-7-10-9 = 93
GPM 15-2-19 field sizes 12-12-12-12-11-10-8-12-12-12 = 113
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re cherrypicking
left the two 2yo races out so that there were even race numbers as last time the numbers were up because RWWA are running more races - add the 2yo races in if you want
Feb 2nd 2018 = 9 races = 92 starters after acceptances - 9-8-12-9-10-10-12-12-10
Feb 1st 2019 = 10 races = 89 starters after acceptances - 9-12-10-8-7-11-9-8-7-8
Can only imagine what you would be saying if this Friday was down 20 starters instead of up 20 starters
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Aus bred starters 346
NZ bred starters 125
Aus winners less than $1.50 4
NZ winners less than $1.50. 8
Aus winners more than $1.50 27
NZ winners more than $1.50. 16
% Aus vs NZ horses 73 vs 26 %
Winning ratio Aus bred 9 %
Winning ratio NZ bred 19 %
Just a snapshot but read it how you want.
Just hope it's not considered baseless or negative.
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But race 4 at Albany is the worse handicapped race of all time - its 2683 metres too - which wont help the poor ones
Youve got Art Tutor gate 1 and Art Lover gate 6 - they are both decent horses - they have run at GP on Friday nights in the past and they could pinch a weak race their
Just A Legend its won the most races (7) and its got gate 3 . Mariyln Said - gate 4 a horse on the up - ran slicktime - won 3 of its last 5
Now here are the 2 i just cant understand - Penola Girl gate 8 - won 2 from 150 - and heres the biggest lemon of the lot Phi Phi Island - its had 5 starts for 1 win and 1 place - total stakes of 6k - and they give it gate 9
Like i say i dont have to worry about it -i just rate them and then bet
Meeting with pacing consultative group owners,trainers,breeders and reinspersons (don't know what happened to BOTRA or maybe it was she just didn't know who they are) which meet regularly just not for the past nine months !!!!
Reason for new model "don't fix what ain't broke". In other words the current state of the industry is broken.
industry participants have been concerned for the past decade regarding the demise of the industry. Why hasn't somebody done something sooner ?
Invest in land to increase income. Please is that a joke, the industry needs to be able to stand on its own two feet.
Pacing is a product with a lot of challenges in regards to presentation to punters and the general public. Victoria and NSW seem to be doing ok.
The way the discussion went the new "model" is the last attempt in WA by RWWA to get pacing back on an even keel.
Sorry guys I believe it won't change anything except maybe make it worse. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Clasping at straws comes to mind for the new model. Maybe a standard approach and uniform with the rest of Australia may have been a better one.
I keep saying it but they refuse to look at what they have been doing wrong for the past decade, instead they keep blaming the product itself.
The only saviour we have is if the TAB is sold and RWWA is dismantled.
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Can we get Leigh Sales to do the next interview then there might be some hard questions asked.
Appears the next option will be stakes decreases, less meetings etc.
It is like any business.
Once it is mismanaged to a certain point, it is very hard to drag it back. I would say that is where it is at now.
Sorry for appearing so negative but the reality is Pacing in WA is at its lowest point ever and getting worse and those that care about it most have absolutely no control over its future.
The sale of the TAB will be the only choice we are left with to regain some control if it's not too late !!!
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re marko - penola girl - phi phi island
looking at the noms both Penola Girl and Phi Phi Island had first preference to other races that didn't stand up which happened in the old system as well - Phi Phi Island was nommed for a HWOE LT $6,000 which was clearly his best option - Penola Girl was nommed for a west bred mares race that didn't hold up - line ball which would have been more suitable
As you said Penola Girl has had 151 starts with 143 of those in the MCR system - her last win in the MCR system was in april 2013 - last season she had 27 starts for 1 placing and $3,500 in stakes
This season she had 9 starts in the MCR system for three 3rds for $2150 in stakes
Under the new system she as had 8 starts for 1 win and 3 placings for $7,200 which is more than her last 36 starts
Since winning she has been placed twice from four starts once in this race type and the other in a mares race so despite rising in class she has been competitive
If you are saying there should be a pref draw then I partially agree - my preferred option for the pref draw would be Win$ Last two starts this level or higher.
Think drawing wide for two starts after winning would be ok with most but where a horse rises a level he shouldn't be double handicapped
Under that scenario only Marilyn Said would be drawn wide as Smart Fortune won a HWOE LT $6000 last start
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no problem marko
you have probably already worked these out but just in case you haven't
Of the horses over $12,000
Art Tutor has a novice driver concession
Marilyn Said had a mares concession
Justa Legend and Art Lover get in under the also eligible clause which allows a horse to drop one level if they have earnt in this case less than $2250
Some have a problem with the also eligible clause but I quite like it albeit I think it is set a bit high - $2250 is about five 4ths and I think five 5ths which in this case would be about $1300 would be better
Only my opinion and others have different opinions
happy to attempt to answer any queries you have on the new system
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Get the change your opinion race 5 Tuesday re transition into system of horses like dreadlock rockstar and the Barrier Draw of that race and in general your opinion of the 2 new barrier draw systems they have introduced being the GPPBD/HWOE and GPPBD/HWOE
Get the change your opinion race 5 GP Tuesday re transition into system of horses like dreadlock rockstar and the Barrier Draw of that race and in general your opinion of the 2 new barrier draw systems they have introduced being the GPPBD/HWOE and GPPBD/HWOE L2
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don't know whether curmudgeon knows the words to the seekers songs think he had the mullet happening same era.