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Drivers trainers owners of first three would have known what was going to unfold before the race. And by the early driving tactics of one particular driver it was too obvious.
Nothing said nothing done.
leaves a huge opportunity for those in the know.
Meanwhile the general public continue to shake their heads.
"Cheats on chariots" I think is a common term used for such examples.
Manning in it's heat!
It took a sit in its bloody heat, was $1.75.
IT WAS DRIVEN THE SAME AS IN ITS HEAT!!!!!
Fair dinkum some of you need to have a break from the punt or something if you are going to get so fired up about that race.
The horse JP drove appeard to have the better gste speed from the heats and appeard to switch off a bit making it a good horse to sit on. Now admittedly it didnt ping the start but it was still a grwat horse to trail into it and being that it was its stablemate he was hardly going to hold it in.
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If the 2nd horse was trained by G Hall Snr - there is no chance in hell that it would of handed up
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Yes I am one of those owners, and I’m livid at the “boat race” that eventuated.
Disgraceful in the extreme
The villian was a "mad scientist" Hugo A Go Go.
Batfink's wings we were often told were "shields of steel". The villian had a mechanical baby - Goo Goo A Go Go haha
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Difficult position Justin was in really.. On Manning’s heat win with the turn of foot shown you’d think he would of outsprinted the other, Not like Justin didn’t give it every chance to beat him either he put the handlebars down coming into the back straight making sure Manning would get clear running. Too call it a boat race is a little harsh and unfair on Justin and frankly a little rude from a stable client
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Thanks for the blast gilga but I seem to have a few supporters chime in after your comments. All good though mate.....everyone is entitled to there opinion.
If some of these comments above about the owners not being told about Jnr's pre race tactic of handing up are true, wow wee I find that staggering. I'm not into bashing Justin at all, I have nothing but admiration for what he has achieved as a trainer and ambassador for this sport over the last 10 years or so.
Here's my theory on why he may not have told them. If he tells them pre race that there hot pot would be handing up they may have kicked up a stink and said no way mate.....it's a $100k race and we have the hot pot....we want to lead at all costs. He would had to have caved into the pressure from the owners and that would have completely stuffed up his masterplan. That's my uneducated guess anyway
When all that money came for Manning!
Always say to a few mates in this punting game - what's black is white and what's white is black.
Take nothing for granted and don't let anything surprise you.
Not being smart or anything but when Manning was sort of plunged - thought now I give that stablemate a big hope. Don't ask why - had no thoughts on how the race might be run - it was just the black and white theory.
Stewards report confirms no queries on driving tactics.
As a punter, owner or competing connections you are only left to conclude that the advice to the stewards was the pre race favourite was going to hand up the lead to the stablemate and second favourite.
Just doesn't make sense that such an important factor in a $100,000.00 dollar race is not released to the general public including competing owners, trainers and drivers not to mention punters.
If this had been released prior to the running of the race then we would not be having this conversation.
In my opinion the pre race tactics of "multiple runners" should be announced publicly at least 5 hours before the event running on RWWA website and should be noted in the stewards report to stop people guessing.
Long story short IMO the connections of the first two horses have guaranteed 1st and 2nd by driving the way they did.
That to me is a "boat race". No questions asked.
Problem is The controlling body are not smart or strong enough to have procedures in place to stop it.
Or they choose to ignore to prevent bad publicity.
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However all states have struggled even with 1 stable runner in the race - what are your tactics - are you going to vary them - Vic had a rule up to last year - where you made a public announcement - you may vary your tactics - doesnt mean you have to do- circumstances permitting
However the rule - that you must drive your horse - so it finishes in the best possible position - that rule should be the No 1 rule in the book - and supersedes any other rule re pre race and race tactics
And the 2nd horse ( not criticising Jnr at all because he was driving to the trainers instructions ) if that was driven by Trevor Warwick FRK Lou Austin Lindsay Harper - in fact you could make a list of 20 of them - and it was their only runner in the race - and they drew where the fave drew in a 100k race - not one of them would have handed up
Someone made the comment - the 2nd horse had every chance - what a load of nonsense - they came home in a touch over 56 for 2year olds . Its best chance of winning was to lead ( which it got on its ear ) all the way - and everyone knows that
As Morgan James said - terrible look for the industry
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Okay Marko just a quick one from the other side of things here.. Where in its form tells you that’s its best chance was to lead and win? Or are you basing it on the market? Not agreeing or disagreeing with you but on paper there’s no reason it should of led apart from market and speculation
(1) It got the lead so easily - if it had to be driven really hard for say for 400-500 metres in a real quick qtr - then if it handed up id have no problem
(2) Im pretty sure it had the quickest mile rate in the heats
I think Rocket - if you trained the 2nd horse- and especially if you owned it - 100k race - 60k to the winner i think you would have kept the lead - 1700 metre sprint race
However i think the rules are the big problem - and every state has grappled with this issue
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My horse once sat at the 1000 metre mark in the 100k sales race, does that ruin your theory? Haha
The question has to be asked if the leader held the lead over a 1700 mtr trip would the results have been reversed.
Very unusual for a short priced favourite to hand up over this distance at GP, yet no communication from the stewards.
As Marko says the rules stipulate the driver must afford every opportunity for their horse to finish in the best possible position.
You may say the trainer knew the best horse was the eventual leader. But if it was that cut and dry why would G Hall Jnr take the drive on the inferior horse (favourite) when he had the option to drive either on racing radio.
Instead he takes the drive on the short priced favourite and gives any opportunity of winning the race away by handing up the lead.
That to me is not giving your horse the best opportunity to perform to its best.
I still maintain the whole issue with this race is the lack of communication or action by the stewards.
Give the general public some feedback please !!!
And stop the innuendo.
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It's a race at the end of the day, it's not the driver and trainers jobs to tell you exactly how a race will be run. That's part of punting guys.
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