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Many many years ago - i was giving the Pro Punt a go
And i went up to the York gallops ( midweek meeting ) and i was betting predominantly on the Syd and Melb interstate races
There was 1 bookmaker fielding on those - i can see him now - short in stature - but an immacutely presented bloke - beautiful checked sports jacket etc - was it Myles or Martin someone
But what he was doing - say there was 3 price calls per race - coming over from the E/S tracks ring - he would wait till the 3rd and final call came and just bet those odds . So if you liked something and the money had already come for it on track over East then you missed out
I actually went to the betting supervisor and complained about that - and he came out ( because i remember seeing it ) and told that bookmaker that he had to bet from the 1st call
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Met him 9 or 10 years ago for the first time and several times since, found him quite funny and an interesting character, always likeable and free with his "information". He was pretty close to the mark, not always but not bad just the same - he liked to back two or three in a race sometimes. ( For somebody else I think ).
However did say to him several times..."Dennis just how did you survive in the punting game without a mobile phone ?" Never seen a guy use a phone that often!
Between race 2 and race 3 at Harvey or Northam their were 47 phone calls!
Did he try his hand at bookmaking as well ? Not sure if his surname was Martin..think it was. Haven't seen him for awhile now but imagine he's still a regular - he was a bit like me just for the fact of loving Racing & Pacing.
Was a bit of an issue for awhile - perhaps Rod White - Daily News or Gino Da Barri - The West wrote up on it.
Also didn't they at the trots for a litte while change it from a "bookies ring" to whereby you guy's went in a line or back to back - so bookies couldn't copy as easy - then the pretence being that punters would get a better deal with the odds with bookies not being able to "see" others prices or supposedly making it more difficult to see ?
Don't think it lasted that long ? Then you went back to the "circle".
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He had a posh name - as in christian name - but i cant remember it - like i say short in stature - glasses - and very well presented - suit/sports coat checked /jacket
However now trying to work it out has got me bamboozled again - it went along the lines of backing a horse in seperate races and it assured you couldn't lose - but I can't work it out now.
To your bookmaker you'd say...it went something along the lines of....
I want 1k @7/1 on Robert The Bruce in the first race as long as Beltane loses in race 7.
Then to another bookmaker I want 1k on Beltane in Race 7 @5/1 as long as Robert The Bruce wins race 1.
However that still doesn't make sense!!
But it was something like that, just can't work it out, as said its something to do with why a bookie will never bet you "backwards"...but for the life of me just don't get it now.
Market would come through and the two toppies called out at 6/1 and 8/1 and he'd go 7/1 and 9/1 or better. Others in the race he would keep to the odds called through.
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Could never work out how anybody could possibly decipher what was written especially the clerk paying out - but really what was the most important was the bet was recorded correctly on the bookie's duplicate or triplicate sheets of paper. The ticket of course had a number on it too.
Did witness the occasional argument but it was very rare.
He wasnt that fair at York that day - thats why i dobbed him in to the Betting supervisor
When you said no dual licence thought that'll be him because he was never at the trots.
Did have a good collect with him one day - it was Belmont Park and he was betting on Kalgoorlie after the Eastern States races were over.
There was a horse in the last at Kal I liked, it was handy - Buckshot Bandit - hoop Marilyn Fagan and was top weight.
Knew he would go that point or two more - approaching start time 8/1 - he went 10/1, I had 2000/200 ( I was probably close to 2k down for the day! )
No vision those days - it was before Sky - gosh how important were those race descriptions on the radio back then -perhaps up to dozens of punters in the eastern states ring voices now hushed as the race commentary from Kalgoorlie came through.
All can recall is those wonderful words you want to hear to at least give you a hope..."and here come's Buckshot Bandit right down the outside"...things from their just got better.
I've let out the "you ripper" roar....and heard the bookies clerk say to him "200" haha that was my bet...possibly the only bet he held on the horse.
Buckshot Bandit finished up running second in a Perth Cup at about 50/1 - mid 80's possibly to Linc The Leopard - the reason remember his runner up - I gave him no bloody chance!
Was a good horse overall though.
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Here's his foolproof plan - popular trustworthy guy - decides to run a sweep on the Cup - gets all the money in - and then afterwards goes and tells everybody they've drawn Old Rowley...he then takes the money around town to the SP bookies and backs it each way.
End result Old Rowley wins Melbourne Cup at 100/1.
Sweep winners everybody! There all happy and he's happy to pay them.
He got on at the 100/1 - set him up for life.
Now that's what you call a win/win situation.
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Was on Max as well as 3rd,4th,5th... oh Frankie Dettori you just had to beat Michelle Payne to the run and the Cup is yours. Think he did knock a few over just the same.
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Anyway I use to step into a couple of those from time to time - and some photo's at Ascot were tricky and would rely on three things to decide - Max Simmonds, the tv monitor and my gut feeling!
Anyway had a bet on the photo and the clerk called the wrong odds back to me way in my favour as the bookmaker was accepting the bet and writing out the ticket...then hold your horse's the bookie as handing me the ticket realised that wasn't correct - and my goodness did that clerk cop a bollocking.
I would've been ok with the bookie saying look that's a mistake, but in his good honour he had written the ticket and so he accepted the bet.
Now if you think the clerk copped it before the result it was somewhat more so after the print was decided. Was just one of those things - but I wasn't knocking back the money either - bet put on and called - bet accepted - ticket written was good enough and full credit to the bookie he payed.
Good East Perth supporter and well known in that area!
Now never quite understood back then what that was all about ? I'm guessing a larger version of the photo ?
Why would he/they wait to look at a "developed print"....not the brightest but never got that.
Sometimes a second or third developed print would be required.
Talking of photos last race at the main Queensland meeting last Saturday at Toowoomba - judge placed number 5 fourth when it was actually number 15.
Correct weight announced and paid out on the incorrect numbers - I mean seriously it's 2019 - there's surely some checks and balances done on these thing's before their made official.
Tabcorp in its wisdom is going to pay out on all first four results - the wrong numbers and the correct numbers. We live in amazing technological times and yet the mistakes made 8-|
I did see that race and had the 5 in the quinella - not a bad run to finish about 7th, got blocked for a run a little - then strike me pink - heard the guy on Sky about 15 mins later say "yes its definetly the 5 that ran fourth and correct weight."
Thought bugger me that didn't run fourth...oh well must have been seeing things...then read a couple of days later - wrong numbers semaphored.
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Duncan did bet better odds - and yes the call coming from the biggest bookies in the land, but quietly and nonchantly especially on the top weighted horses he could go anywhere from one to four points better, and never flinched. Some large bets went on - it could be a very busy ring the ES.
A top weight might come through the call as 6/1 - Duncan goes 7/1, but next call if 8/1 he'd go 10/1 and often he wouldn't even wait for the call - next moment he's gone 12/1 before the price has come through. No mobile phones or any communication he could have received. He just didn't like the toppies!
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