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Cant_Refuse, Kane_26, Rocket_Reign likes this post.
Why shouldn’t Lindsay be able to pursue his driving career again?
Had his time in the game???
He had 15 years taken away from his time.....
Why shouldn’t Lindsay be able to pursue his driving career again?
Have you seen his drives since he's been back? Seriously OTB you can't pick on Curly Warwick and defend LBH, it's apples and oranges.
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JayJay likes this post.
Not saying mark shouldn’t have jumped off but merely stating he would have had the choice of drives
Offthebit likes this post.
Not suited but didn’t give much! Won’t get me again
Wonder what this replay is gunna tell.
Backing odds on faves all the time - good luck!!
Those Morris minors go 5 lengths better when Kyle drives them
Cant_Refuse, PackedMetalPanda likes this post.
On that theory maybe bailey McDonough should give it away as well because he clearly isn’t as good as Mark reed
Gavin Lang is in his early 60s - and he is still as good as anyone - still a champion driver
Offthebit likes this post.
Yeah and Baileys drive was nothing short of disgraceful but he’s learning
Cant_Refuse likes this post.
Can't take anything away from the winner, that was impressive from the breeze @25/1.
The Midas Touch leading and Vincenzo breeze would've been interesting but you'd have to lean to The Midas Touch still winning, even with the other guy applying the pressure.
Charoits will be making a comeback to bookmaking soon with some of these $1.10 - $1.20 pops going around - that are beatable.
Tonights meeting 7 race card - the winners $1.20 $1.20 $1.40 $1.20 $1.50 $5.40 ( fave $3) and $1.10
Betonme likes this post.
That’s a disgrace. I don’t profess to be up to date with what we are doing here with the handicapping but surely that is vindication for what we are trying to eradicate?
getthechange, Chariotsonfire likes this post.
Tonight at Ballarat, get quite a few of them in Victoria especially at Cranbourne and Shepparton as well.
The odds on pops have their great nights and so they should! Overall a disastrous bet type to succeed on imo.
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From an owners point of view you are right - and i can understand your frustration - its a bit like when they change the Superannuation laws yet again
However you are totally wrong when you come to TAB punters - because the new system is totally irrelevant to any astute punter - the key factor ive allways used is the clock - mile rates - and you need to know what is a decent quick mile rate for every track you bet - particularly interstate
A good example i can give is Bathurst ( 1700 metre races which is 80% of them ) my rating or cut off is 1.57 - go under that it is decent - go over that it is average to slow . So if something gets beaten 20 metres and they go 1.55 and a bit - and its in the running line - then its a good run
Their was a horse at Stawell on Monday- Asincharge - had 1 run for 1 win at Bathurst - but the mile rate was 159.9 - that is terribly slow - they put up 2s on - got out to 6/4 sat in the breeze got beaten 60 metres ( 1.58 rate which is quick ) they queried the run - but it ran to its ability
You assess every trotting track in Aust - or whichever states you like betting what is a quick/ slow mile rate - and you will win on the punt - it is as simple as that
What class of race or clauses which horses are eligible stakes won - discounts given - is totally irrelevant when it comes to betting
The WA system whilst presenting as one system is actually two systems loosely joined together.
The two systems are only joined in order to stop horses dropping back to quickly
The only drop back in HWOE races is via the also eligible clause and the HWOE races are one part of the two part system
The L5$ LT races are the drop back races which enables horses with profiles but which have reached their marks to continue racing and be in the market
There are six L5$ LT races and horses can rise and fall in these races but can only do so after five starts in the next highest L5$ LT races without winning
These six races currently occupy levels 4 - 6 - 8 (non metro Friday's) and levels 10 - 12 - 14 which are Friday G Park races
Possibly these races should have been called A B C D E F to differentiate
In effect these six races are claiming races but you don't lose your horse - if your horse wins he has to go up to the next level for the the next five starts in these type races - if the horse starts in that level for five starts he drops back a level in these races
Courage Tells for example had raced five times without winning in level 10 Friday races and so he was able to drop back to a midweek level 8 race - if he doesn't win in level 8 races at his next five starts he can drop to a level 6 in these races or if he wins in his next five starts he will go back up to level 10
The L5$ LT races are conditioned races based on their last five starts and not on their HWOE figure
Horses coming up the HWOE scale can go in these races if the trainer chooses or can race in HWOE races where they have protection from drop back horses as the only horses dropping back on them are those in under the also eligible clause
Punters and those setting the markets obviously take into consideration all factors but the L5$ LT races are conditioned races where the criteria is the class they have been racing in and the $ they have won in their last five starts
It is envisaged that in time these L5$ LT races will be mainly courage tells type horses while lesser horses will find the HWOE races without horses dropping back on them to be their best option
As mentioned in a previous post I believe the WA system protects the lesser horses better than the new ratings based system
The WA system will be able to be measured against the soon to be introduced ratings based system as all horses in AUS including WA will have both a HWOE figure and a ratings figure
As jay jay said time will tell
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