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I assume this is Barry Hamilton's position?
Hopefully we all want the most effective handicapping system and not just the easiest to understand.
RWWA and the HRA have both produced systems which are intended to benefit the industry and running them at the same time will enable comparisons based on facts and not opinion.
One may out perform the other or possibly they may out perform each other in different areas which could see changes made to one or both
Regardless of whether in the long term the WA system, the HRA system or a hybrid prevails the end result we should all be wanting is for an effective handicapping system that benefits harness racing
My preferred option is obviously the WA system as I believe it protects the lesser horses better
Attached is comparison of the two systems effectiveness at the change of season for 2yos turning 3yos based on my interpretation of the HRA ratings system - franco Edward and dracarys
There seems to be various documents circulating regarding the new HRA ratings based system. The latest I could find was this one: https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/media-releases/23-april-2019-hra-ratings-based-handicapping-system/ which does not discount 2yo earnings per race, but gives a transition of points when they turn 3. It make a difference to both examples you posted.comparison correction
maybeso - interpreted right this time?
Jay Jay - he was a C0 at transition and transitioned at $12,500
Win$ this season = 34,261
75% of 34,261 = 25,694
+ 12,500 = 38,194
If retrospective he would be $42,775 as per your figures
Jay Jay - Franco Edward attachment updated
jay Jay - I didn't include the transition figure as it was meant to be a direct comparison as if the horse had raced completely under either system from when he commenced racing
Under that scenario he isn't eligible for a HWOE LT $40,000 race
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In terms of claiming races, i thought that could be some option, since no drop backs maybe some option to go into them instead for longevity.
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there are 6 drop back races which in many ways act like claimers except you don't lose your horse - see attachment
HRA ratings - I must be missing something as from figures I have done I can`t see it working
4) race over a period of time if not winning for five starts in each of the L5$
LT races.
Eg - A fast class horse could drop to level 4 if it failed to win at
five starts in fast class, five starts in level 14, five starts in level 12,
five starts in level 10, five starts in level 8 and five starts in level 6"
Getthechange, looking at forward race meetings, I don't see any of these type races constant enough to even achieve what you are saying here? I must be missing something.
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Betonme - agree level 14 has been a problem and that there is a need for more level 14 races -- notice an extra level 14 code has been added to the 31st May program and to be eligible $100,000+ horses don't have to have been balloted from the fast class race which should help it hold up
however
Newtons law of equal and opposite reaction could apply as that change could adversely affect the fast class race