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Eddie Mcguire - That's Amazing!

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Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
One of the great things about a racing day anywhere in Australia is that anything can happen and sometimes when least expected. Coincidence's and odd happenings can abound at the track even on a mundane day.

When checking the final two races today and their respective dividends thought wow there two long priced winner's at better than 50/1 and 33/1 - then noticed the double tote divvy was a bit light at $687 - considering an all up tote bet or multi fixed odds double would've returned much more.

Then out of curiousity - who trained those two bolters - Eddie Mcguire had leg one, now leg two, same colours and Eddy McGuire again!! That sort of explained the double payout being abit short ( not that you'd be complaining if you got it ) - but Eddy McGuire's effort definetly qualifies for a "I've seen everything!"

That's a tremendous training effort from the Geraldton based trainer.

*Hoofnote* Noticed the 33/1 winner Golden Acres is by Starcraft - what a horse he was - a name forgotten abit now - but that Kiwi horse on his day had a scintillating finishing burst and won many races. Was top shelf that guy.
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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited May 2019
    Daily double to be precise was $668.70 on tote.

    Coming to think of it am pretty sure Starcraft has a race named after him in Victoria and deservedly so. Could come from an impossible position and mow them down.
  • spinkingspinking    3,739 posts
    Saxonsaxoff said they were going to have something on larking in the 5 race, because it was out of Starcraft, must have meant out of a Starcraft mare. Whatever way hope he followed the theme in the last

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    When a horse is "by" ...that's from the sire ( dad ).
    Then "out of"...that's the mare ( mum! )

    Star Exhibit by Veandercross out of Makybe Diva.

    Just using those names, Veandercross was a gelding haha.
  • GaryHGaryH    1,012 posts
    edited May 2019

    *Hoofnote* Noticed the 33/1 winner Golden Acres is by Starcraft - what a horse he was - a name forgotten abit now - but that Kiwi horse on his day had a scintillating finishing burst and won many races. Was top shelf that guy.

    As @spinking has pointed out, the race 5 horse Larking is 'from' Starcraft as well.  Just shows most of the times the outcome is more about where the horse was 'out of' as opposed to 'from'.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited May 2019
    Yes knew where Spink was coming from.
    Lots of by, out of and froms - now I'm confused, but that's not hard.
  • RodentRodent    7,024 posts

    Daily double to be precise was $668.70 on tote.

    Coming to think of it am pretty sure Starcraft has a race named after him in Victoria and deservedly so. Could come from an impossible position and mow them down.

    Only roughly $12 on the winning combo. Would only take a strapper or some stable connection to have thrown $5-10 on the double to destroy the dividend.
     Tote pools are a joke now due to corporate bookies.
     I got a massive 1st 4 in 2002 where there was over 100k in the quartet pool for the last race at Belmont on a Saturday. Fast forward 17 years and the last race at Ascot had a first 4 pool of 53k

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts

    One of the great things about a racing day anywhere in Australia is that anything can happen and sometimes when least expected. Coincidence's and odd happenings can abound at the track even on a mundane day.

    When checking the final two races today and their respective dividends thought wow there two long priced winner's at better than 50/1 and 33/1 - then noticed the double tote divvy was a bit light at $687 - considering an all up tote bet or multi fixed odds double would've returned much more.

    Then out of curiousity - who trained those two bolters - Eddie Mcguire had leg one, now leg two, same colours and Eddy McGuire again!! That sort of explained the double payout being abit short ( not that you'd be complaining if you got it ) - but Eddy McGuire's effort definetly qualifies for a "I've seen everything!"

    That's a tremendous training effort from the Geraldton based trainer.

    *Hoofnote* Noticed the 33/1 winner Golden Acres is by Starcraft - what a horse he was - a name forgotten abit now - but that Kiwi horse on his day had a scintillating finishing burst and won many races. Was top shelf that guy.

    had you not heard or seen the training feat by Ken Williamson about a decade ago when he trained 4 winners of the 9 on the card one meeting in Summer at Ascot

    10/1 x 20/1 x 20/1 x 10/1 not sure of the exact prices but they were all double figures and something i'll never ever witness on a racetrack ever again 

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited May 2019
    ^^ That was the best.

    Agree Rodent...Tabcorp needed to re-invigorate tote betting many years ago especially when the new competition arrived, but instead of doing that and going with the competition, they fought it tooth and nail.

    Tabcorp's main initiative - bet on more and more races, trots, greyhounds from all parts of the globe - so much so that sometimes ( especially of an evening ) four races/trots/dogs can be going at once - all with literally just a handful of dollars in the pools.

    If they heard that life had been discovered on a far distant planet and they had horse racing - we'd soon be betting on it.

    They've spread the punters money over 40,000 events - pool size going down drastically.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited May 2019
    The other point too - if Tabcorp is going to bet on a race every minute - like a continuous roulette table ( casino ), hoping to hold punter's interest ( casino ) and getting them to re-invest continually (casino) if there going to have the structure of a 24 hour cycle of gambling - then takeout rates need to be dropped!

    Takeout rates - ( their in the small print section ) are too high - if you want punter's reinvesting on the continuous cycle - reduce takeout rates - and advertise it!
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited May 2019
    Finally - and something do harp on about - rounding Down of dividends to the nearest ten cents - ( destroys place betting especially ).

    After takeout rate horse shows $1.78 - return to punter $1.70. My goodness that's a scam. Then they wonder why Pari mutuel is not going so well.

    Adds a lot onto a already high takeout rate. It's the same as a bill at Coles being $18.72 and making the consumer pay $18.80.

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  • RodentRodent    7,024 posts
    What I'd love to see is all corporate bookies bets on tote products being mandated to go into the pool. The bookies can just cop a rebate from the TAB.
     At least that would get the pools up a bit.

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  • MoonrakerMoonraker    99 posts
    edited May 2019

    Finally - and something do harp on about - rounding Down of dividends to the nearest ten cents - ( destroys place betting especially ).

    After takeout rate horse shows $1.78 - return to punter $1.70. My goodness that's a scam. Then they wonder why Pari mutuel is not going so well.

    Adds a lot onto a already high takeout rate. It's the same as a bill at Coles being $18.72 and making the consumer pay $18.80.



    Its worse than a bill at Coles being $18.72 and making the consumer pay $18.80.

    Its the same as a consumer going to coles to by 10 items that cost $1.72 each - Instead of being charged $17.20, they are charged $18.


  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,741 posts
    edited May 2019
    hash said:


    had you not heard or seen the training feat by Ken Williamson about a decade ago when he trained 4 winners of the 9 on the card one meeting in Summer at Ascot

    10/1 x 20/1 x 20/1 x 10/1 not sure of the exact prices but they were all double figures and something i'll never ever witness on a racetrack ever again 
    Don't get me started. Too late. Carnival time. No you will not witness it again. An ex steward who hardly trained winners apart from that day even Ripley didn't believe it. Waller you could understand but even then a difficult achievement and near on impossible with those horses. At that time it was scoffed at by certain Eastern States reporters Nudge Nudge Wink Wink. Though previously disputed on this forum I read on a site that Williamson was at Moonee Valley on the day in the board room allegedly tipping his winners to all he spoke with.
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,235 posts
    Dress Suit
    Famous Roman
    Rollo
    Trimvision

    Winter bottom stakes day 2007. Glory Hunter won the Winter bottom and Famous Roman won the Aquanita Stakes

    https://www.rwwa.com.au/cris/meeting.aspx?meeting=796238

    It was amazing as it was so unlikely at the time. I thought the trainer was on course though..
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,660 posts
    Trainer was on course, I missed the first winner but got the other three and a fifth horse ran second earlier as well. It's probably the most underated training program performance of the last 20 years in Perth.
  • FlandersFlanders    1,197 posts

    Trainer was on course, I missed the first winner but got the other three and a fifth horse ran second earlier as well. It's probably the most underated training program performance of the last 20 years in Perth.


    Many would say otherwise Damo, which probably explains why the rest would say it was underrated.
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,235 posts
    Sheenasaidgrey was the one earlier in the day
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,660 posts
    H-BOMBER said:

    Sheenasaidgrey was the one earlier in the day

    Both Sheena and Famous Roman were the two genuine horses from that day.

    Even though Famous Roman won the Aquanita Stakes as his second win, that isn't unusual really as it is a 3YO race and has a profile of a race best suited to horses that didn't mature early and would go onto solid careers as Famous Roman did. He just needed to change yards for that to happen.

    Sheensaidgrey was just at his first start as a 2YO that day, so whilst hopes were high, anything he did that day would have been part of an acceptable learning curve. He had an outstanding 2YO campaign finishing in the first two until the KK, where in fifth he was still less than 2 len behind the winner.

    Dress Suit was going along OK. At his previous start he was beaten into fourth place by the great El Presidente with Glory Hunter running second,  his next start was an amazing fall in grade in real terms and I'm still surprised that I got the price I did that day.

    The very next race on the program that day was Famous Roman. He is the horse that Sam and I became great friends with. Paul Harvey had picked him out at the sales for Sam and I backed him at every start of his career. Enough said.

    No runners in the Winterbottom for Ken or Sam, so for the race following the main event, where I had lost on Glory Hunter, I simply backed Rollo because I didn't have a clue what would win.

    After that in the last, I couldn't get on Trimvision fast enough because it was simply a **** day of being so far in front on the punt it didn't matter if I lost a couple of hundred backing another roughie. He won like he was an even money favorite.

    I did get asked the question. Got asked it several times over the years, still don't know to this day.

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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    Saw Sheensaidgrey at GP a few years back as a clerk of the course
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    That's true Moonraker and yep agree Rodent.
  • thefalconthefalcon    19,949 posts
    was Dress Suit ridden by Talia Mahor?
  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    thefalcon said:

    was Dress Suit ridden by Talia Mahor?

    P King
  • RodentRodent    7,024 posts
    Sheenasaidgrey, Dress Suit and Trimvision all won at their next start. At least they didn't all win and then drop off a cliff.

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,741 posts
    To quote the vintage Mortein promo....When you are on a good thing - stick to it
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