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VillageKid likes this post.
loaded question but I will put up the umbrella and answer as politely as I can
what would I do with him - I would enter him only for L5$ LT $12,000 races only - if he got a ballot he would trackwork - after five starts without winning he would be in a L5$ LT $8,000 race - he would then start in L5$ LT $8,000 races only and if he didn't win after five starts he would go into the L5$ LT $4,000 races in the country
When he gets to being eligible for L5$ LT $4,000 he can start in either that race or the L5$ LT $8000 race without affecting his eligibility for either provided he doesn't win - if he won the L5$ LT $4,000 he would still be eligible for the L5$ LT $8,000 - if he won the L5$ LT $8,000 he would go back up to the L5$ LT $12,000 for five starts
By then the HRA ratings will be up and running and if he has been finishing 6th to last his points will probably be in the 30s which will be about 20 points lower than the non winner Gazzella Fella who will just be coming back from a spell
Note -
the last time and possibly the only time Smackwater Jack started in a L5$ LT $12,000 race he was 6th across the line and officially 5th after another runner was disqualified - officially beaten 8.4 metres
placement is everything in these races
Brookies Jet and Smackwater Jack are both eligible for L5$ LT $12,000 races and both are five starts in L5$ LT $12,000 races away from being eligible for L5$ Lt $8,000 races
After today Brookies Jet will be four starts in L5$ LT$12,000 races away from being eligible for a L5$ LT$8,000 races as todays race is level 8
After today Smackwater Jack will still be five starts away from being eligible for a L5$ Lt $8,000 race as todays race is level 9
Smackwater Jack started on the 7th May in a L5$ LT $12,000 and if he had continued racing in those races he would be eligible or very close to being eligible for the L5$ LT $8,000
Think Smackwater Jack is better than R J Bopper and he has two 2nds and a 3rd in his last 9 starts in L5$ LT $8000 races
Thanks for that info , maybe they should program more level races at the $4,500 staked races and draw them from bottom up to keep in form horses racing at better tracks and those that are battling will then still have a chance to earn and improve just a thought.
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Let’s presume a trainer comes to me and says I’d like you to buy a horse.
I say “ that’s awesome what’s the go”
He says “ I’ve got one that is worth ago that has been roughly transitioned but if you pay me to train it and run no where in its next 10 starts which is 10 weeks of training fees with travel, vet fees, shoeing and the rest of fees we can get it into a race which also taking into account it hasn’t forgotten how to win we should be able to win a race if we are able to draw a barrier because it’s random barrier draw but if we can draw a barrier you can win roughly $4500, what do you reckon?
I say “ well will that cover training fees”
He says “ well it might if we have some luck on our side”
I say “ no thanks I think I can find better investments and more fun doing something else”
My point is who would want to invest in this game if this is what you are trying to promote, no brolly needed and as far as I’m concerned you should be getting into the bunker.
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transition is a means of getting from one system to the other
transition affected some horses better than others but how those horses were affected in transition doesn't reflect how the system operates long term
there are a lot of horses that connections perceive have had a "rough" transition that I would purchase
but
If you are so concerned about buying a horse that has a "rough" transition then buy a yearling or a maiden
Good transition or bad transition?
Both C1 horses at transition
Seven Demerits - at transition C1 - 1 win at first race start - transitioned at $3,600
32 starts as a C1 before coming to WA for stake money of $7,368
19 WA starts under HWOE for $7,393 - including first win for two years
HWOE $6162
Lovely horse with limited ability that will continue to earn for his new owners
bought by WA owners
R J Bopper - at transition C1 - 7wins - transitioned at $17,500
23 starts under HWOE for $10,563 including first win for two years
stake money without the win $6,079
previous 23 starts under MCR $5,984
Current HWOE $21,983 -
placed three of last nine in L5$ LT $8,000
Eligible for L5$ LT$4,000
will win races
sold to Wendy Boyd for asking price without being advertised
reason for selling - winter cull
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And if they want to increase turnover - then they have to lift their game , TAB.Com - each week list the big harness racing bets - and someone last week had 30k on a 6 to 4 pop - do you think the WA TAB would accept that bet i would doubt it
With Aust wide harness racing - 90% of all runners - they bet unders compared to other totes re fixed odds - are you going to attract turnover that way - id doubt it
As Riders and Gilga have posted - other TABS re harness racing - QLD Vic and NSW - on some races have guarnteed 1st 4 pools - to get big pools - do the WA TAB ever do that on harness racing - i havent seen it . And those 2 posters have also queried - where 1st 4 jackpots go - if they occur on the last race - where do they go to . This Friday night at Narrogin - if say on the last race the 1st 4 isnt won - why dont they tell the punters where that jackpot money goes to - which race - they just dont - talk about pathetic
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HWOE - Ratings going forward
This attachment shows the progress of horses that were HWOE $0 maidens when the WA system was introduced and also has the current national ratings for those horses - as at 11th July for both( last Thursday)
Will update figures at the end of July so all can monitor both systems
Done manually so possibly the odd mistake - trotters not included
That's why they are called race to race Jackpots - they go on the very next event from where the Jackpot originated.
However last race of the night Jackpots and Quaddie Jackpots are not allocated to the next event..because their is none...they should then be allocated to the very next opportunity of a WA meeting. It's rather simple.
Where does the last race Jackpot go ? Nobody knows.
As far as betting Fixed Odds on the Trots/Races/Greyhounds - WA Tab worst odds bar none. What's more everybody knows it. Only the PC brigade deny it. As if there are ain't enough of them...toe the party line...yes sir..no sir.
HWOE - Ratings going forward - updated
will update again in first week of new season with figures from last week of current season and first week of new season
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The info I have from the racing Manager below as of 24/7
Work has progressed and we’ll be presenting something to the Harness Racing Consultative Group on 14th August as well as providing the info to the industry.
Looking at the data it’s my opinion there has not been significant change in any area, i.e. winners <$1.60, turnover, field sizes. There has been a slight shift in the distribution of stakes at the lower end of the scale (without effecting the top end) but it’s not significant enough at this point in time to get excited about. It might be an indication of the change occurring but impossible to tell at this early stage.
We only received the Race Fields Turnover and Revenue information for May yesterday so we’re never working with up-to-date data. It’s pretty frustrating.
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Data From first month of operation of the National Ratings in Victoria from the AHRI:
For Victorian participants interested in July 2019 compared with July 2018, please find the following:
July 2019 had the same number of races meetings (39), but we ran 6 more
races than July 2018. Average field size was marginally higher in 2019
compared to 2018.
Amount of races with <$1.50 favourite decreased signficantly from 27% in July 2018 to 21% in July 2019.
Total prizemoney paid was 10% higher in July 2019 compared to July 2018.
Thank-you to everyone who has continued to race during the first month of the new handicapping system
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Would be surprised if there was an assumption that barriers don't matter in harness racing but are pref draws that effective as a handicapping tool or do they just alter which horse is going to draw barrier one and quite possibly start fav.
If they were to be used then which pref draw is best to use as by using C M or now HWOE almost ensures that horses coming through the classes that are the form runners can be placed to advantage resulting in an inside draw and creating another short priced fav - see attachment
Pref draws on $L3 or $L6 impacts on all runners when in most races only a small number of runners need to be affected
Whilst agreeing that some pref draws are necessary I recall the dulcet tones of Ben Geerson from my time on BOTRA saying that it should be the "fundamental right of connections to be able to draw a barrier" .Not always possible but a nice idea in an ideal world
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