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H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
edited September 2019 West Australian Racing
See how these end up Saturday night. Will the early money be right. 

Race 1 Guess So $21 into $9

Race 3 Specialism $11 into $6.50
    Red Can Man $15 into $7

Race 4 Bunker Buster $4.2 into $3.6

Race 5 Cockney Crew $2.8 into $2.25

Race 7 Masquerade $12 into $7.5

Race 8 Samizdat $15 into $7.50

Race 9 Unibro $13 into $5
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    12,382 posts
    $13 Unibro? drawn 1 with Jade on top? I seriously doubt they bet that price.... 
    Samizdat $15? 
    8-}
  • TheDivaTheDiva    12,382 posts
    Guess So, with William Pike on in a maiden with 8 runners... they bet $21? 
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    Apparently. Well thats what the opening prices were compared to now.

    I often wonder WHO the prices are actually set for? And who knows what the limits are?


    :-?
  • jumjum    2,843 posts
    Red can man $15 into $4.20
  • TheDivaTheDiva    12,382 posts
    Im told these prices go up before TAB's open... so just accounts betting. 
    Very likely little laid at these top fluctuations... best ignored. 

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    12,382 posts
    Cockney Crew now mostly $1.75. 
    I believe Tom Waterhouse's tipping service has tipped it... hence the avalanche of money. 
    8-}
  • MorganJamesMorganJames    151 posts
    edited September 2019
    Not best ignored certain punters are getting into tabs in the morning who have an arrangment with the Tab agent to let them in early.
    They are getting on for 2-3k and sometimes more when doing multis.
    and they seem to know what the overs are as price is gone within 30 secs of the markets going up.
  • JimmyPopJimmyPop    107 posts

    Not best ignored certain punters are getting into tabs in the morning who have an arrangment with the Tab agent to let them in early.
    They are getting on for 2-3k and sometimes more when doing multis.
    and they seem to know what the overs are as price is gone within 30 secs of the markets going up.
    So true. The TAB should advertise what TAB's are open to allow everyone the same service provided to a few..
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts

    Not best ignored certain punters are getting into tabs in the morning who have an arrangment with the Tab agent to let them in early.
    They are getting on for 2-3k and sometimes more when doing multis.
    and they seem to know what the overs are as price is gone within 30 secs of the markets going up.



    This is what I was eluding to. How do the certain punters know what to back straight away. It's almost as if they are requesting a certain price about something and then magically it appears. Then they get on quick smart and whoosh it's "gone", back into the right price. It seems.

    I would love be to see the last 6 months of data of the first 10 mins betting time. Not what was backed, don't care about that. It would be interesting to see whether there are certain accounts active but the main thing would be where the bets are coming from. I would bet my life there are at least 1 or 2 establishments that continually pop up.

    Bet local they say.
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    jum said:

    Red can man $15 into $4.20




    Now 3.90. Probably about where it should have started to be honest.
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    In fact most of them have shortened further. I wonder if the market percentage has changed haha!
  • JimmyPopJimmyPop    107 posts
    Do some punters get the prices before they get put into the system. One can only assume.

  • hashhash    6,930 posts
    H-BOMBER said:

    Not best ignored certain punters are getting into tabs in the morning who have an arrangment with the Tab agent to let them in early.
    They are getting on for 2-3k and sometimes more when doing multis.
    and they seem to know what the overs are as price is gone within 30 secs of the markets going up.



    This is what I was eluding to. How do the certain punters know what to back straight away. It's almost as if they are requesting a certain price about something and then magically it appears. Then they get on quick smart and whoosh it's "gone", back into the right price. It seems.

    I would love be to see the last 6 months of data of the first 10 mins betting time. Not what was backed, don't care about that. It would be interesting to see whether there are certain accounts active but the main thing would be where the bets are coming from. I would bet my life there are at least 1 or 2 establishments that continually pop up.

    Bet local they say.
    Did it ever occur that certain punters (or owners!) want to back one or two horses specifically straight away?
    imagine that thought process multiplied by a hundred other blokes out there on a thursday morning and you can easily see how and why so many horses firm dramatically...

    will be interesting to see the results of your original thread posted as you always hear of horses in previews and on the radio "being backed in from such and such" or "I can't believe they bet X amount about this or that" 
  • RodentRodent    5,491 posts
    edited September 2019
    Isn't the WA TAB government owned? Nobody would rort a government owned enterprise. The mere suggestion that certain people are exploiting prices that are wildly inaccurate in a systematic way couldn't be right.
     57 seconds in....

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  • paraleticparaletic    3,540 posts
    edited September 2019
    JimmyPop said:

    Do some punters get the prices before they get put into the system. One can only assume.



    you would hope not. I sort of get the feeling this is why that tab fixed odds chief got in trouble over in NSW

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,463 posts
    ....and the last I read, refusing to co-operate with stewards inquiry, and was still still warned off, but that was back in July, not sure how far further advanced has gone since then.

    An "inside job".

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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    hash said:

    H-BOMBER said:

    Not best ignored certain punters are getting into tabs in the morning who have an arrangment with the Tab agent to let them in early.
    They are getting on for 2-3k and sometimes more when doing multis.
    and they seem to know what the overs are as price is gone within 30 secs of the markets going up.



    This is what I was eluding to. How do the certain punters know what to back straight away. It's almost as if they are requesting a certain price about something and then magically it appears. Then they get on quick smart and whoosh it's "gone", back into the right price. It seems.

    I would love be to see the last 6 months of data of the first 10 mins betting time. Not what was backed, don't care about that. It would be interesting to see whether there are certain accounts active but the main thing would be where the bets are coming from. I would bet my life there are at least 1 or 2 establishments that continually pop up.

    Bet local they say.
    Did it ever occur that certain punters (or owners!) want to back one or two horses specifically straight away?
    imagine that thought process multiplied by a hundred other blokes out there on a thursday morning and you can easily see how and why so many horses firm dramatically...

    will be interesting to see the results of your original thread posted as you always hear of horses in previews and on the radio "being backed in from such and such" or "I can't believe they bet X amount about this or that" 



    Ha yes hashy old mate and I bet it's the same mob of owners and punters every week.
  • hashhash    6,930 posts

    ....and the last I read, refusing to co-operate with stewards inquiry, and was still still warned off, but that was back in July, not sure how far further advanced has gone since then.

    An "inside job".

    the name escapes me but was she female by any chance? I remember seeing a female linked to something similar in an article circulating 
  • LETSDOTHISLETSDOTHIS    135 posts
    Sally Snow
  • spinkingspinking    2,675 posts
    But how much can you get on at those opening quotes?

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  • paraleticparaletic    3,540 posts
    spinking said:

    But how much can you get on at those opening quotes?




    2 bob

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,463 posts
    edited September 2019
    Yes Sally Snow @hash and think continuing to use her right to common law privilege against self incrimination and won't be providing any evidence or information to the stewards.
    Only trouble is you are then warned off indefinitely, and until appear that will be the case.

    Shouldn't be flippant on these things, but there'd be no point in me being on any inquiry, I'd let her off...she's gorgeous!

  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    Someone will be on the Red Cans tonight
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    What a Cock up that was for Cockney Crew. Railway was being talked about. Cool story that
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    FML I was on Adrian Makfi each way and had it with 3 others in the quaddie. Unfortunately Bauecount wasn't one of them
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    H-BOMBER said:

    See how these end up Saturday night. Will the early money be right. 

    Race 1 Guess So $21 into $9

    Race 3 Specialism $11 into $6.50
        Red Can Man $15 into $7

    Race 4 Bunker Buster $4.2 into $3.6

    Race 5 Cockney Crew $2.8 into $2.25

    Race 7 Masquerade $12 into $7.5

    Race 8 Samizdat $15 into $7.50

    Race 9 Unibro $13 into $5



    Red Can Man and Bunker Buster the two winners of this lot, with Bunker Buster being the recipient of some luck with the scratching of the then favorite.


    I think it's going to take some time getting over Adrian Makfi beats. What could have been..!

  • hashhash    6,930 posts
    H-BOMBER said:

    What a Cock up that was for Cockney Crew. Railway was being talked about. Cool story that




    Had plenty of excuses, the horse could of and should of almost been scratched! First to load and by the time the gates opened he’d been in there too long which caused him to miss the kick which in turn forced him to do too much extra work early.... didn’t help the jockey on the winner was riding like he was in a Melbourne cup!

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  • udontknowudontknow    481 posts
    Anyone know how shaun mcgruddy is after the fall on blue horse?
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    8,092 posts
    Soreness and all clear luckily

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    12,382 posts
    hash said:

    H-BOMBER said:

    What a Cock up that was for Cockney Crew. Railway was being talked about. Cool story that




    Had plenty of excuses, the horse could of and should of almost been scratched! First to load and by the time the gates opened he’d been in there too long which caused him to miss the kick which in turn forced him to do too much extra work early.... didn’t help the jockey on the winner was riding like he was in a Melbourne cup!



    Scratched for standing there too long??
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