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I think if WA had claiming races, a few would get poached.
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re Im Batman
He was a C4 M1 at transition in Nov 2018 and took the lower of the transition table and his actual HWOE if the system had been in place from when he commenced racing
He transitioned at $35,942
wins since then under HWOE
Feb 2019 - GPC - HWOE LT $25k using also eligible clause - HWOE became $41,386 (level 10)
Mar 2019 - GPC - HWOE LT $40k using concession driver - HWOE became $46,830 (level 10)
July 2019 - Pin - HWOE Lt $40k using also eligible clause - HWOE became $51,314 (level 10)
Oct 2019 - GPC - L5$ LT $12k - HWOE became $57,703 (level 11)
52 starts for 2018/2019 season all under HWOE system for $35,822 in stake money incurred $15,372 penalty for his three wins in the season - no penalty for placings - average per start for season $689
24 starts for $15,975 under HWOE this season for win at GPC in October - HWOE became $57,703 - ave per start this season $665
his last 10 WA starts have resulted in a 2nd and 3rd at Pin and a 3rd and three 4ths at GPM with his mile rates of 1:54.5 - 1:54.1 - 1:53.9 - 1:56.2 and beaten between 4m and 10m in those runs
If he had the same numerical form and earnings under MCR with drop backs after 10 starts without winning he would now be a M1 C2 - Just Barney probably a C1
in WA the lesser horses are protected and Im Batman cant beat up on the low grade horses in HWOE races but he can drop back in L5$ LT races and can also drop back to a degree in HWOE races if his $ last five starts falls below $2250
Having different handicapping systems isn't ideal and contributes to the anomalies but the drop back points in the NR are too high - the attachment is a list of the horses Im Batman has beaten at his last two starts and shows that you don't have to have raced in WA to have low points - winners of 10 ,10 and 15 races now have 39 - 39 and 43 points after having 52 and 53 in May.
from what has been posted here the changes to the matrix still has horses from 71-120 dropping back two points for 6th to last - if that is the case the horse could be the same level after three runs if they are receiving 6 points for a win and minus two points for 6th to last.
Agree with Aussie that two points just favours the higher class - think a maximum of one minus point and a limit to how far you can drop from your highest point could be considered instead of the current freefall
eg- horse can only drop 20% from their maximum and no horse can drop below 50 - if they have reached 120 then the lowest the horse can drop to is 96
if they have reached a 100 then the lowest they can drop is 80
if they have reached 60 they can`t drop to 48 they can only drop to 50
consider
no drop back points for horses 50 or below
start all horses at 40 with 2yos receiving 30% of the points
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