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loose_goose · November 2020

Watched with interest the protest from GP from Friday night re C.Voak whip action, which I thought was a strange protest as how Colin Brown would see that in actual race time being on the opposite side to Voak's whip action. Looked as though things were going to get a little testy in the hearing, but was good to see.

Anyone with any thoughts on how the protest transpired, & would there ever be a case for an upheld decision. For a casual observer in real time I would not even know what a braech of the law was .

loose_goose · November 2020

Travelled over to stay with friends & went to Wagin trots last night, was a good night, maybe not the best fields, lot of short favourites, but good facilities at Wagin especially that you get an up close & personal view of the races from a table inside if it get's a bit cool outside, which Wagin can, but last night was a perfect night for pacing.

Markovina · November 2020

Kevin Charles deserves a bit of credit - the quality of the horses he is breeding seem to be getting better and better every year

The 1st 2 in the 2 year old tonight - Lavra Joe - 10 wins 100k - a very good mile rate 1.56.8 - home in 55 for a 2 year old

Of course he bred Shockwave - what would be interesting - say the last 2 years - all the horses he offered at the sales - and their sales price - i reckon hes got a pretty good strike rate

curmudgeon · November 2020

Also bred ElDaytona the second horse in the last race tonight....which I was on of course. He is a smart customer as well.

JayJay · November 2020

KTC Draft 2018 (Name /Purchase price/ Best Winning Time / Stakes won):As at 10 Nov 2020

452 Don't Change 16k 2.02.0 14k

468 Ollie Oliver 7.5k 2.05.4 6k

475 Unnamed 10k p/in

510 Unnamed 32k (deregistered)

516 Livy Jay 25k 1.59.2 14.5k

528 Soho Ricciardo 22k non winner 2.2k

534 Chase The Feeling 5.5k 1.59.5 6.2k

540 Matai Reactor 20k non winner 5.2k

458 Red Hot Courage 26k non winner 0.1k

463 Love My Life 15k non winner 3.8k

480 Rosa de Oro 10k 1.57.7 5.6k

486 The Dancing Pearl 23k (deregistered)

492 My Ultimate Tintin 18k (deceased)

498 Middlepage 20k 1.55.9 18.8k

504 Feeling Aces 7.5k 2.03.1 5k

523 Double Expresso 22k 1.55.4 313k

546 Red Hot Lady 29k 1.55.2 52k

2019

502 Two Bob Cracker 22.5k non winner 1.8k

513 Seeryanfly 17k 2.02.2 8.4k

521 Peligroso 36k non winner 1.2k

525 I See Fire p/in 22k non winner 0.4k

529 Chrysoprase 28k unraced

532 Eldaytona 20k 1.59.2 16.7k

536 Boston Rob 50k non winner 0.4k (brother Double Expresso)

539 Captain Crush 20k unraced

543 Unnamed 30k unraced

547 American Bullitt 16k 2.03.7 10.7k

549 Justanextragrand p/in 13k 2.00.2 10k

554 Lavra Joe p/in 25k 1.55.9 106k

559 Lil Delight 40k non winner 3k

564 Only Five Starzzz 20k non winner 3.4k

568 Unnamed 15k

573 Sunflower Johny 24k unraced

582 Eye Better 5k unraced

587 Rich American 14k 1.59.7 18.6k

591 Give Us A Wave 60k 1.57.1 85k

595 Lets Dance Tonight 28k 1.59.6 30k

599 Sun And Sand 12.5k non winner 0.1k

603 Smudgey Smith 18k unraced

607 Unnamed 15k

611 Long Macc 16k unnamed

614 Sound Wave 32.5k non winner 2.2k

620 Lets Rock Tonight p/in 30k non winner 3.7k

624 Bombproof p/in 17k unraced

JayJay · November 2020

When you analyse, you make stats say anything you want.

Total Lots Offered: 45

Passed In: 6 (some of which sold eg Lavra Joe passed in $25k, sold later for $22.5k)

Number of winners: 17

Total Income from lots sold: $838k

Total Stake earnings: $743k

However just 3 horses (Double Expresso $313k, Lavra Joe $106k and Give Us A Wave $85k) account for $614k of the $743k stakes earned.

Not included in above data is the $3k first win Westbred Bonus for the owner and the $3k first win bonus for the breeder plus all other Westbred bonus available for 2 and 3 year olds.

savethegame · November 2020

FOUND THIS BUYING THE HORSE.

CAR HORSE

MAKE BREEDING

MODEL SEX

CONDITION PHYSICAL &EMOTIONAL SOUNDNESS

R.A.C. REPORT VETERINARY CERTIFICATE

YEAR OF MANUFACTURE

Foals raised solely on natural pasture in

a particular locality in certain drought years, can never make up for early deprivation.

PREVIOUS OWNERS- In particular the first, Misuse and abuse which is not uncommon

to check if correctly run in. due to ignorance,laziness,lackof time or money,is very difficult and costly to remedy, damage is sometimes irreparable

REASON FOR SELLING Check with stewards and registrar of control body to ensure animal is not under suspension or disqualification

REPUTATION OF DEALER Make discreet enquiries among others in sport

BEWARE OF OBVIOUS BARGAINS A good horse costs no more to feed or train,while a souped up unsound pacer will break your heart.

For the uninitiated the best approach is to use many of the easily remembered principles of buying a good--- used.car. --- the 60s Better learn how to drive this---- words are hanging----need a wheel alignment. this is after edited

JayJay · November 2020

I am with you STG on the formatting.... I also need driving lessons.... took me more than an hour to get that data on KTC yearlings even half readable..... and while I was doing it I was thinking why am I bothering, who will read. Anyway, what appears on my lap screen doesn't translate over to the site at all well And after about 8 years of trying I still cant post photos on here despite dozens of attempts.

Chariotsonfire · November 2020

Same for me JayJay. Perhaps it has something to do with our vintage.

Markovina · November 2020

JayJay said:
When you analyse, you make stats say anything you want.

Total Lots Offered: 45
Passed In: 6 (some of which sold eg Lavra Joe passed in $25k, sold later for $22.5k)
Number of winners: 17
Total Income from lots sold: $838k
Total Stake earnings: $743k

However just 3 horses (Double Expresso $313k, Lavra Joe $106k and Give Us A Wave $85k) account for $614k of the $743k stakes earned.

Not included in above data is the $3k first win Westbred Bonus for the owner and the $3k first win bonus for the breeder plus all other Westbred bonus available for 2 and 3 year olds.

Thanks for posting those sales figures etc - good interesting reading

Like you say - you can give stats any angle you wish - but fair to say - yearlings they are hit or miss - hit the jackpot - or not so lucky - and to be fair - its still early days - like Karloo Mick didnt come good to a 4 year old etc

But to pick the right yearling - there are that many theories - you will read someone who has got a top horse - and they will say why did you buy it - and they will say - look he was a nice walker - plus he didnt have too much white in his eye - hah

savethegame · November 2020

Jay Jay only went to school to eat my lunch, would have been hard driven in your class.thats my excuse, Whats chariots and yours-------- just after effects of woodstock --- ha ha.

JayJay · November 2020

Age STG, Age haha. Technology advances were and remain a struggle. I cope somewhat but formatting is a complete mystery to me. What I put on here looks a doddle to some but they have no idea what a struggle it can be to present something readable. Woodstock no, but I did make it to a Sunbury Festival and saw Billy Thorpe blow everyones ear drums out. Don't remember how I got home!!!

Markovina · November 2020

Small place $ punters - should head to the last race at Redcliffe tonight - for a touch of overs on Super TAB

Rousey $1.09 fixed odds the win - however in the tote pools there is 50 bucks in the win pool - but a very respectable $900 in the place pool

Those big place punters - i dont think are actually in the John Maynard Keynes school of making a quid - however they will get the thrill and excitement of hopefully getting their betting stake back

savethegame · November 2020

Laurie Collins was registrar at g.p. for seem like forever, was he involved in the industry on any other front. did he provide opinions on horses abilities? Sorta remember one,---- as told to me regarding wee cent.

JayJay · November 2020

One of natures great blokes.....never saw him not smiling, not being helpful or not being pleasant. Was registrar up until 1980, handed over to Alan Parker who was his deputy for a few years. Pretty sure he was a steward prior to assuming the Registrars role.....very knowledgeable. Did he have his origins in the Goldfields somewhere .... not sure.

savethegame · November 2020

As close as i can remember --- He watched this unregisterd horse work, doing the brands or whatever ,He said to the trainer, Wee Cent is the best two yearold in the state.( vague at what stage of the season. it was), --- Laurie Collins ------ but what ive just seen your horse would beat her.

The trainer said I know he would, but he won't race until his four, he will win his first three in country,qualf. to race in the city.

Sue enough thats what happened., only problem i was checking the papers for my old man for when this horse, did turn 4 ----his name was going to be boy scout--- being outta girl guide----by david stanton-.but after his third win my old man listening to the radio hears the winners breeding, its called Tavis --- years later found out it meant in some lingo son of david.

Never met the man, laurie collins ---Always wonder did he clock that horse that day. Don't no anything else about him, outside his name being the registrar on papers and name cards you recieved.----- mustive been knowledgeable about the horses, outside the office..

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JayJay · November 2020

Gee, I know that family very well. Old mate raced a mare that went alright called Guides Creed, out of Girl Guide....Ken Tyler used to train her. Top family......Girl Guide was from Driffield, an ancient old colonial family dating back to Lulu Boy... sister to Garry John and very nice chestnut horse called Gold Jay (who I think was trained by Big Ron Percy).

Laurie was world President of the Wee Cent Fan Club.....around the time I held similar office for a lovely horse called Haddock. Yes, very knowledgable man.

freodockers · November 2020

I hope your not still paying driver fines JJ gee whiz bordering on ridiculous.

Ivorytrunkey86 · November 2020

Shannon thought it was 2007

savethegame · November 2020

Reminded me of Joe snr driving gracetonian in the 70s.--- in the last 20m.

curmudgeon · November 2020

Dunno about Shannons effort.....but some punishing comments being applied this morning :-j

savethegame · November 2020

The hits are cheap on here -- 600 to be on sky.

Markovina · November 2020

He only used the wrist though

Just goes to show how they use to belt them in the old days - because they would wind up the backswing using the shoulder and the arm - totally different

JayJay · November 2020

freodockers said:
I hope your not still paying driver fines JJ gee whiz bordering on ridiculous.

He did try a bit hard in the last little bit....turned out it was $400 with another $200 suspended. Difficult situation but yes, I made a small contribution. I am a very benevolent owner hahaha.Both horse and driver did their best..

savethegame · November 2020

Just on whips see driver before correct weight signal--- R. Warwick fired in a protest regarding C.suvaljko's whip action --after they both had deadheated in race 6. Then he recieved a reverse body slam. as he got fined 200 for his whip action and suvaljko got fined 750.

Stewards christmas party this year will be held in the maldivis. at this rate. ha.

freodockers · November 2020

Suvaljko no problems,, Warwick ????
Might as well just take the whips off them ridiculous.

Chariotsonfire · November 2020

I appears that the stewards are very reluctant to uphold a protest for whip transgression.

A dead heat would have been tempting but the fact that Ryan Warwick broke the rule as well probably saved them from having to make a difficult and possibly unpopular decision.

Until they uphold one, drivers will continue to push the envelope.

Chariotsonfire · November 2020

The trot race at Pinjarra is a perfect example of why I do not bet on them.

A quality field but three of the nine broke without interference and the favourite was not pulled wide until the race was all over.

My choice and I am aware that some love them.

savethegame · November 2020

Was doing some research on footballer by the name of Jack Broadstock, who was rated at one stage by Captain Blood as the best footballer he had seen actually played richmond premiership side 1943.he would just as liable to turn up from one year to the next anywhere well he turned up in the goldfields and coached premiership side 1948 boulder.

Anyway got talking to this old fella, whose dad knew him.--- He followed the harness said to me everyone mentions the match race pure steel how he beat satinover. Nobody mentions when satinover beat pure steel.

I said could remmeber only the talk was Satinover was never the same after he beat pure steel in a heat of pacing cup1980 broke down. Was there a story pure steel was real unlucky or was stainover too good in the heat --I told him i don't know, but some harness people would fill me in on what happened in the heat ,was sure satinover was scratched from remaining heats&final.

His two runs were just runs prior to match race even though he won both.

loose_goose · November 2020

savethegame said:
Was doing some research on footballer by the name of Jack Broadstock, who was rated at one stage by Captain Blood as the best footballer he had seen actually played richmond premiership side 1943.he would just as liable to turn up from one year to the next anywhere well he turned up in the goldfields and coached premiership side 1948 boulder.

Anyway got talking to this old fella, whose dad knew him.--- He followed the harness said to me everyone mentions the match race pure steel how he beat satinover. Nobody mentions when satinover beat pure steel.

I said could remmeber only the talk was Satinover was never the same after he beat pure steel in a heat of pacing cup1980 broke down. Was there a story pure steel was real unlucky or was stainover too good in the heat --I told him i don't know, but some harness people would fill me in on what happened in the heat ,was sure satinover was scratched from remaining heats&final.

His two runs were just runs prior to match race even though he won both.

From Pure Steel Wikiepedia page & yes I have contributed to their cause a few times :)

"Only having a limited preparation, he contested the 1980 Western Australian Pacing Cup series and was beaten by new rival Satinover in the first round of heats.^[5] It was a 17th consecutive win for Satinover, but after he was injured Pure Steel won the WA Cup final for a record fourth time becoming the leading stakeswinner in Australian racing passing the thoroughbred Family of Man^[6] and then won the Fremantle Cup from the 35m backmark."

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