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You have to put your hat in the ring mate. I think you will find that if you do in fact draw wide (never know what else will be in the race) chances are the horses drawn under you aren’t there because they were A-unlucky their last 3 starts or B-given soft runs they will be there because they aren’t going any good.
So then you can assess A-all of these under me are likely to want a soft trip on the back of an inform horse or B- these horses/drivers are every chance of chopping themselves up and I can just dive bomb them.
If racing is actually racing you will still be competing with without cooking your horse.
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Yeah coz there’s no leaders bias on those tracks :))
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Exactly it’s a leader bias game.
Not exactly a minor task reshaping the GP track either. Considering they can’t even fix the sprinklers there at the moment I wouldn’t be holding my breathe for a new track.
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3 of the winners came from draws 1,2,3/7,8 last week compared to 5 coming from 4/9 or wider so if that is the reason then maybe they need to reassess.
I tend to agree with Aussie it would be a bloody taxing day so something has to give and it is skip the road trip.
Personally for me knowing I’m guaranteed to draw wide would put me off the 10 hour round trip, also can’t believe they didn’t extend the noms for the meeting
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well with the introduction of blind nominations I won't know what I could possibly be racing against for the foreseeable future which complicates the matter of placing your horse in a suitable race even further. The point I guess km trying to make is if we are going to give the lesser horses in the race or a horse that's simply out a of form a leg up in a race why can't we possibly make it fair on everyone and rotate between the $l3 and rbd week to week at each meeting to give everyone an equal opportunity to draw a good gate over a prolonged period of time ? Opinions are like backsides everyone has one but I seriously think the higher ups have jumped the gun by jamming the $l3 down our throats for the time being, I think you would find the majority of trainers I'm the industry will cop a bad barrier on the chin if it's rbd and they are just plain unlucky
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Absolutely I don’t disagree with you that there needs to be a mix and as I said earlier you might find with a mix even knowing you are going to draw wide the $L3 might still be an easier option as you are likely to hit the majority of the out of form horses while the inform horses throw their nom in the RBD trying to lob a draw.
Just as an aside as a small time punter and pretty much non participant nowadays my view (which clearly has less weight than those putting their money/time where their mouth is) is that as you have said trainers are happy to just cop a bad draw on the chin and that is exactly what they were doing, waiting for another day because they know the horses drawn under them have equal to if not more ability, they can’t beat them unless someone does something stupid so they drive ice cold and wait for another day. It has led to boring as batshit uncompetitive racing giving very few opportunities for punters to actually form an opinion different to others and back themselves in let alone want to introduce others to the sport as a spectacle.
Now I know you feel this system just encourages people to basically drive dead for 3 starts. IMO it creates competition, connections are actually having to think about what they do out on the track, will horse x hand up because he is out of form or will he try to hold up, he has LB Harper on so is likely to go forward etc etc. There is no need for ridiculous sectional time fines because leads aren’t decided on paper, drivers are making moves with their inform horses. It should create competition.
Ramming it down everyone’s throat with no alternative probably wasn’t the right way to go about it but unless people in the future are keen to race for ribbons in front of a handful of friends and family something had to give.
look I agree that something has to give , but if the decision makers were smart, they should of reached out to the participants for any opinions or ideas to help turn trotting around in this state rather than make knee jerk reactions, which seem to be common place at the moment. Gloucester park had 9 races last Friday, this Friday we seem to have a fair few fields without max numbers, I know we have the heats of nights of thunder which from memory were only.9 horse fields as it was but 3x7 horse heats for such a time honored race is a bit disturbing, not to mention we now have extended noms for Tuesday's meeting which I would say would be due to lack of horses nominated, the decision makers really need to sit down and attempt to figure out how to reverse what's becoming a worrying trend
there are going to be times where $l3 will suit a horse and times where rbd will suit, at least by giving us the option it puts us in a position to earn and pay our bills
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Great news
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No participants no industry, we need to be able to make a living off it heavily handicapping horses that are consistent without even having winning form is not how we can make a consistent living. Also from my perspective on punting I like predictability short priced favourites creates that predictability
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But how are you going to make a living off it if no one is punting on it?
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Why should there be a system in place to make sure the prize money is spread around? The worst AFL players don’t get paid as much as the best players don’t see them changing the rules to make life easier for the bad players. Those bad players can strive to be better and earn more money though
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