In this Discussion
- 2lifetimewinners June 2020
- AbbysAce October 2023
- angelarobinson October 2023
- Arapaho February 2021
- aussiebattler October 2023
- Betonme March 2021
- Browny123 January 2021
- Cant_Refuse October 2023
- capgun March 2021
- Chandon October 2019
- Chariotsonfire April 2023
- Chopchop43 October 2023
- cisco March 2021
- curmudgeon March 2022
- freodockers April 2023
- G-Mac March 2022
- Gepetto February 2019
- getthechange October 2023
- Gilgamesh October 2023
- Glen September 2019
- Ivorytrunkey February 2019
- Ivorytrunkey86 October 2023
- JayJay October 2023
- JimmyPop February 2021
- jum April 2023
- Kane_26 September 2019
- KTQ March 2021
- lick February 2021
- LightningJake October 2023
- luap February 2019
- Markovina October 2023
- maybeso March 2021
- michael March 2022
- Moonraker May 2019
- MorganJames December 2018
- Offthebit August 2019
- Orangecrush August 2019
- PackedMetalPanda October 2023
- PictureSon1973 April 2023
- Rex March 2022
- Ridersonthestorm33 October 2019
- Rocket_Reign October 2023
- rooster321 March 2021
- Royboy February 2021
- savethegame October 2023
- sonny April 2023
- Toepuntit December 2019
- VillageKid March 2021
- westerncat March 2021
- Yilgarna October 2023
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curmudgeon, VillageKid, MrSmartArse likes this post.
It’s not apparent it’s fact that they were put out, I put 3 out and another trainer put 15 out thats 18 from one property that were racing also know that we weren’t the only ones to do it they’ll now be about 3 months away from racing this low numbers will have a flow on for a while until they build back up again
Gilgamesh, VillageKid likes this post.
You’re very childish for an 80 year old man
Cant_Refuse likes this post.
Come on Chariots clearly it’s the people who can afford to just turn out 15 race fit because they don’t like the idea of competing under $L3 that we need to let control everything, they will have everyone’s best interests at heart.
VillageKid likes this post.
Rocket_Reign likes this post.
I don’t even know who you are but I’m going to hazard a guess that we’d be in a much better place if we listened to the states leading trainer than you
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VillageKid, Gilgamesh, maybeso, capgun, MrSmartArse, curmudgeon, LightningJake likes this post.
I queried the manager as to the reasons for PBD/$L3 and below was explained by KH
The PBD/$L3
trial was withdrawn due to the lack of support from the industry. There
was a significant number of complaints from a wide range of trainers as well as
correspondence received from two of the industry bodies outlining concerns with
the trial.
We had a
teleconference with the industry bodies and explained the PBD/$L3 was targeted
at the punters and attracting the punting dollar over and above the wants of
the industry participants.
Whilst the
industry bodies acknowledged their understanding of what we were trying to
achieve they indicated great reluctance to support the completion of the trial
on the basis of:
To appease
industry we could have taken the PBD/$L3 off maidens but then we would have to
decide what to do with the L1-L3 races and then Nights of Thunder Heats etc and
the changes and demand for modification to the trial operation would have
continued until the trial wasn’t pure enough to provide enough data for
analysis.
We could have
pushed through and completed the trial and then with the (very small sample of)
data try and determine if there was a noticeable change in turnover and
if it was enough to increase revenue by an amount that justified implementing
long term.
At the end of
the day, we have acquiesced to the industry demands.
We had good
success with the blind noms last week and not so good this week. I don’t
know if removing the PBD/$L3 will have an impact on field sizes. It
certainly wasn’t withdrawn for that reason.
freodockers likes this post.
Gilgamesh likes this post.
Yep no vested interest at all.
curmudgeon, VillageKid likes this post.
VillageKid likes this post.
I still would like to see actual proof of how far turnover is down? As I’ve said if we’re going off tabtouch and tote pools then we’re doomed because punting has moved on from that
Rocket_Reign, curmudgeon, Chopchop43, Cant_Refuse, VillageKid likes this post.
Clearly from my number of posts I have some time on my hands today, I’ll see if I can find anything, assume it should be available RWWA pages somewhere.
Rocket_Reign likes this post.
Excellent but I don’t think it’s made public regarding the amount of $ put through the corporates
Very interesting as to why the wouldn’t release it yet we just have to take their word that it’s terrible
Chopchop43 likes this post.
Rocket_Reign, Browny123, savethegame, freodockers, Chopchop43, Cant_Refuse, VillageKid likes this post.
So you can find Revenue easily enough as a collective, they provide all sorts of KPIs around each code, greyhound runners to injuries, harness winners to positive swabs etc but when it comes to how they collected the revenue all codes are bracketed together, my guess would be that is so no one can get on their high horse and say we generate X but only receive Y.
But it is easy to find what come from Tabtouch and what came from other.
In 2013 Tabtouch, be that fixed or tote contributed 316M compared to 59M from other (Corporates and a couple of other minor, would need to go back to that years results to get full details)
In 2020 Tabtouch still contributed 310M other was up to 140M. Of the 140M, 117M is from the corporates through race fields and Point of consumption tax. Interestingly 6.5M is unclaimed tickets, still plenty of reasons out there to be an emu!
It surprises me that Tabtouch still has that strong a hold, turnover Tabtouch vs Other would be interesting to see what comes back dollar bet vs dollar bet.
The figures would have to be available but appear not fit for public distribution.
Rocket_Reign, Browny123, savethegame, VillageKid likes this post.
Is 140m their share of what goes through corporates or what was bet in total? Would baffle me if tabtouch is holding more than the corps on races
Gilgamesh, VillageKid likes this post.
Yeah both the 310M and the 140M are the amounts received from RWWA by Tabtouch and then Corporates/other.
I tried to copy and paste that section but it came out terrible.
https://www.rwwa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2020-RWWA-Annual-Report.pdf
They get a much smaller piece of the pie from the corporates than they do from tabtouch though don’t they
More accurately put most of that 140M is what they receive from the government which is raised from the corporates.
93odd Million of that is from race fields legislation, which I believe they receive the whole kit and caboodle to distribute to the relevant race clubs across Western Australia.
24odd million is from Point Of Consumption tax. Now that amount only has to be equal to or more than 30% of total revenue raised by the POC tax.
In simple terms my understanding is we now have a point of consumption tax of 15% of all bets placed by WA residents regardless of who they bet with on any event which then goes straight to the government and they on pass 30% to RWWA and keep the rest.
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