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Things that would entice you to go to the races

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  • psychopsycho    652 posts
    Bucks said:

    I agree with Chris, the selection of beers at the races is pretty poor given what you're able to get at other entertainment venues. Might have something to do with the sponsorship deal PR has got going.


    I would like a kids creche/ play centre similar to the Ikea set up. That way you can drop the kids off and actually enjoy a beer and a bet rather than chasing after them every 5 seconds. My kids are 4 and 6 and get bored super quick so we don't bother taking them to the track as they lose interest.

    A live band or any music for that matter between races would be good. Liven up the place a little. How many pubs, clubs, casinos have you walked into and there is no music playing? Zero.
    Hey bucks they used to have a creche but I assume with the dwindling number of adults the kids are not going either (Though a lot of adults act as kids) The cost to the club I assume would be too great at this point and especially in winter
    The live band (In summer) is a good idea and I like it, but when they have a live band why the Farque do they put it in the bookmakers ring !!!! The grass patch out the back by the old E/S ring would be suitable for this type of entertainment

    My first thought always would be FREE ENTRY

    Next on my agenda would be PIZZA DAY or SAUSAGE SIZZLE DAY or PASTA DAY
    These could be thrown out at around cost price $1 sausage sizzle $8 pizza $5 pasta meal etc
    and on each of these days $5 pints of BEER also champagne/wine on a similar basis though I dont drink that sort of cats piddle (maybe $2 a glass) not sure if thats attractive but you get the idea
    Another poster said a raffle after each race from a losing betting ticket (OK idea there) maybe $20 after each race announced over the PA system (if its working on that day)
    If some of these initiatives could be introduced on a day when the BEAGLES or SHOCKERS are playing and advertised sensibly you could possibly get an extra 300-500 people out there.
    Then a shuttle bus from the races over the bridge to the craypot for the footy and I can see the punters just pouring in, maybe they could even dust off the "FULL HOUSE SIGN" Ok now I have lost the plot but you get my drift dont you

    Medication required now, a BEX a nap and tomorrow off to ASCOT

    SAYONARA 
  • detonatordetonator    4,360 posts
    edited May 2021
    Push very very hard for the 6.10pm Saturday footy time slot every week at Optus.
    Start the racing season at Belmont a month earlier. And at Ascot to offset that month.
    Probably a hundred reasons why this can’t happen.....

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  • psychopsycho    652 posts
    detonator said:

    Push very very hard for the 6.10pm Saturday footy time slot every week at Optus.

    Start the racing season at Belmont a month earlier. And at Ascot to offset that month.
    Probably a hundred reasons why this can’t happen.....

    You can try anything once if it don't work don't do it again Easy really  :-O
  • thefalconthefalcon    19,949 posts
    i was at the races at 6yrs and loved it.... :>
    the insurance cost of a creche would be prohibitive, plus the club would have to employ qualified supervisors...and pay them. and...how many kids attend the races..

    as we know PR has an agreement with certain booze distributors and its very closely monitored so any chance of getting craft beers on track is almost nil. the problem with craft beers is that there are so bloody many of them and they all taste different.
    live bands between races..dream on...never happen.
  • psychopsycho    652 posts
    thefalcon said:

    i was at the races at 6yrs and loved it.... :>

    the insurance cost of a creche would be prohibitive, plus the club would have to employ qualified supervisors...and pay them. and...how many kids attend the races..

    as we know PR has an agreement with certain booze distributors and its very closely monitored so any chance of getting craft beers on track is almost nil. the problem with craft beers is that there are so bloody many of them and they all taste different.
    live bands between races..dream on...never happen.
    It happens now Falc, its just that it is in the bookies ring or between the bookies ring and the bar which is now inside the old ring (bands that is)
    You are 100% right about the creche the insurance and staff costs would be out of this world

  • RIORIO    14,882 posts
    Get rid of the PR Board. Stop RWWA financially supporting a process that has not made money for close to 30years.And deriving every other Club in WA the compensated support they need for 1 club getting all the feature races.

    Contract a company to run the show with a share of profits their payment. Then whatever it takes to gets punters to the track will happen.

    They'll work hard at making the place punter friendly

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  • goosegoose    1,628 posts
    They should try some sort of on course jackpot for a certain bet try and get it up to a decent amount to be on course and win it.
    Also have said it previously make it the best pubtab in Perth that is audio and vision and price imformation get the punters wanting to get there for a few races hard to commit for whole day.

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  • YankeeYankee    299 posts
    Went with a crew of non race goers to the second floor area a while back,Corona(beer not virus)$9 probably bought in for $2,huge queues where you where only allowed to buy TWO drinks at a time,served in plastic cups like a kids party,jugs of mid strength only and that stopped midday through the day,maybe this was the crech others where asking for!

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  • curmudgeoncurmudgeon    2,417 posts
    It's over. 
    Crowds of yore are exactly that... are a thing of the past.
    Football is the next cab off the rank. Injury -tribalism-pandemic ...it's all too hard.
    People are adapting to info & communications feeding INTO the home environment where they are in control....not some dude in a white overcoat and over zealous "security" wanting to direct patrons into their "designated" areas.

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  • YankeeYankee    299 posts
    My son and his mates starting going to the Subi Hotel only because the where selling $3.50 pints,so the place was packed thus thats where others then want to go for the crowd,at $3.50 for "bog" standard lager they would still be making money but my son reckoned once they had a pint or two most drifted back to their usual drink of choice,but it had served its purpose of getting the crowd in.I doubt they even take in much with admission fees now, most i see seem  to have a freebie from somewere to get in.

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    7,741 posts
    My only attendances in recent years have been to the country. Love the drive and the country air. If Northam the pies on the way there at Bakers Hill and if a track in the Avon Valley then the burgers at Alfred's Kitchen on the way home.

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  • BestWesternBestWestern    11 posts

    In this technological age, why not reduce take out rates on all tote betting products for on course patrons. I refuse to be involved in any exotic betting with such criminal takeout rates. Tote betting barely cuts it. Maybe that would be an incentive to return to the track.

    I notice on another thread here that Betfair will reduce commission from 8% to 6%. When Betfair first started, it was 5% and lower depending on your turnover. However, I will consider Betfair again as a 6% commission rate is acceptable.

    Give punters an incentive to be on course if that resonates with the younger generation.

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  • detonatordetonator    4,360 posts
    edited May 2021

    My only attendances in recent years have been to the country. Love the drive and the country air. If Northam the pies on the way there at Bakers Hill and if a track in the Avon Valley then the burgers at Alfred's Kitchen on the way home.

    Pies at Bakers Hill. Pea and Ham soup at Alfreds. What about at the most boring racetrack in W.A which is Northam ?
    Sorry for Northam but it does lack atmosphere.
    Cold beers ?
  • sonnysonny    1,054 posts
    Good Idea Best Western and stop blokes like J...O  getting rebates.....

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  • psychopsycho    652 posts
    sonny said:

    Good Idea Best Western and stop blokes like J...O  getting rebates.....


    Everything is worth a try the crowds at Belmont at least are poor at best
  • GilgameshGilgamesh    4,719 posts

    My only attendances in recent years have been to the country. Love the drive and the country air. If Northam the pies on the way there at Bakers Hill and if a track in the Avon Valley then the burgers at Alfred's Kitchen on the way home.




    And now I’m hungry!!

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  • RIORIO    14,882 posts
    not me personally but a big #1 from Race 8 at Gatton may entice a few through teh gates! ;-)
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,809 posts
    edited May 2021
    How about some 14-16 field sizes ? Remember them ?

    Going to the races and seeing 14-16 runners nearly every race was commonplace. Opening Belmont Park meeting - Race 1 and 4 runners.

    Field size over the last several years - very disappointing.

    The number of pay 1-2 only races grown insurmountably. Don’t want to be going to the track with 7-9 runners most races. Might as well bet on a sports event.

    Which talking of - maybe not in my lifetime - but sports betting will eventually dwarf horse racing. The % for the punter way more in his/her favour, there not total fools and eventually sports betting will dominate the landscape.

    With some markets hovering around 130% and worse - and a non competitive tote that continued to increase take out rates ( never decrease ) over the decades it’s no surprise sports betting will appeal more and more.

    The tote needs to be a National Pool with decreased takeout rate - and get the bread and butter punter back!

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  • thefalconthefalcon    19,949 posts
    the eastern states (yes even south aussie) do not have the problem with dwindling fields.
    whats our problem?
  • JayJayJayJay    7,629 posts
    Field sizes reflect horse population, horse population reflects ownership numbers, ownership numbers reflect confidence in industry and potential return. The public see a stake for a race, say  $70k or $20k or $4.5k for the trots at Keller and would have little idea what the owner actually ends up with....until they become an owner. Owners, having put the toys in the toy box, are those least likely to end up with anything....those adverts showing smiling glamorous 30 somethings swilling champagne wear a bit thin for them after they get a few monthly accounts and they might not butter up for seconds.


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  • RodentRodent    7,024 posts
    Imho W.A has too many races each week for the number of horses in work. If you had fewer races, there'd be bigger fields. Also the prizemoney saved could go into increasing prizemoney for all races.

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  • FlandersFlanders    1,197 posts
    I agree with @Rodent above. At the same time though- there seems to be a pretty high number of horses trialling every Monday... where do they go?
  • savethegamesavethegame    2,786 posts
    The Trainers world has changed once they have achieved a level of success which alot do. Then how to promote themselves in accumlating as many owners & horses is the next phase.win the odd race to keep name in  lights---Hoping a feature horse comes along for a booster. because more then 70% of large stables turnover probably won't win a race --some of them may at outta provincal meetings may jag a  win.--- if not.

    City trainers are very wary of the snipers not so much losing the horse, but a owner which is very hard to  replace..Big contributing factor  to field sizes----. in/out needs more time--.Heard the other day Leading Trainer ropeable due to Father/son combo white-anting his owners.He use to provide them with alot handy horses-- no more.----Think theres plenty of horses just too many slow ones.

    Trainers of old use to take 12 weeks to go to the races and could go 10- 15 runs in a campaign which is rare nowadays  6wks early ripe early rotten  maybe 7 runs in a campaign  if your lucky when you work the over lap in a season unless you double the base numbers to offset it hurts field sizes as well.just on another point.
  • LETSDOTHISLETSDOTHIS    298 posts
    Which father/son combo?
  • savethegamesavethegame    2,786 posts
    Lindsay Smith---- re ---Fernies
  • shothrushothru    243 posts

    Lindsay Smith---- re ---Fernies

    Maybe i read this wrong. Are you saying Lyndsays got the shits on with Luke??
  • spinkingspinking    3,738 posts
    Complimentary umbrella to do the long walk in . And the same when you leave. One can get awfully wet walking into Belmont nowdays

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  • thefalconthefalcon    19,949 posts
    yeah spink, but how many are taking the long walk? i've got one in r1 today..no way am i going in this weather...reckon there will be less than 100 on course today.

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  • psychopsycho    652 posts
    spinking said:

    Complimentary umbrella to do the long walk in . And the same when you leave. One can get awfully wet walking into Belmont nowdays

    Yep I stayed home due to the weather, was planning to go but decided to stay in the warmth of my abode

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  • spinkingspinking    3,738 posts
    You must be a dedicated dye in the wool punter Psycho to even contemplate venturing to the concrete jungle today . Even the Falcon who had a runner wasnt going there today. Falcon did you include the horses in that 100 that would not be on course today

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