GP Flying

Chopchop43 · December 2023

freodockers said:

Chopchop43 said:

JayJay said:
Down to 65 with the scratchings of Lusaka and Hoppys Way. Bunbury today 78 acceptors, Narrogin 73 on Saturday, Pinjarra 89 on Monday and 84 for Tuesday mid week at GP, so plenty of horses around

Of the 12 codes advertised for tonight's meeting, there was no 4yo race even though the Nugget is on next week???

So, that "dynamic and flexible programming model attuned to the racing population" produces tonight's fiasco but nothing to see, play on, lets blame the trainers or the owners or the weather or most likely, the country clubs.

We'll strip some meetings off them to prop up the joint that is flailing about like Kerry O'Keefe's bowling action. Then we'll chuck $24.7 million at them so that 300 members can watch 800m racing in comfort after selling off half the farm.

I dont think this has anything to do with anyone avoiding gp as they don't like the place, just my opinion, we don't seem to have the depth to our city class horse pool, our true city class horse seem to get shipped out of the state and the country as soon as they remotely get close to there mark and there isn't that quality coming through at a quick enough rate to replace numbers, I think the heart of the problem lies more with the hwoe system and programming than with gp itself
They been shipping horses out of WA to US for donkeys years.

they have but it seems like more are leaving since we've gone to hwoe

freodockers · December 2023

Horses bred in WA+ horses imported from NZ+ horses imported from ES minus horses exported = <> crocodile mouth.
Never been quite shore which one means less.

Chopchop43 · December 2023

freodockers said:
Horses bred in WA+ horses imported from NZ+ horses imported from ES minus horses exported = <> crocodile mouth.
Never been quite shore which one means less.

yea but I'm referring to just city class horses not every horse imported from over east or nz are going to be up to that class

JayJay · December 2023

USA exports this season from WA:

August Moon, Aussie Scooter, Booraa, Carabao, Don't Bother Me None, Himself, Ima Rockabilly Rebel, Infatuation, Kimble, Master Yossi, Mirragon, Miss Limelight, Moonlight Drive, Noted, orlando Blue, Patronus Star, Peter Petrify, Typhoon Banner, Vulcan Star

Rocket_Reign · December 2023

I’ve got 4 in Snr has 2 Bondy 2 Jemma 2 Justin 0, between us we can add 20+ to a meeting just a week we didn’t have many as a combined

freodockers · December 2023

Can someone tell me how many have come in from NZ + ES and raced at GP on Friday night in past 12 months.

Chopchop43 · December 2023

freodockers said:
Can someone tell me how many have come in from NZ + ES and raced at GP on Friday night in past 12 months.

don't get me wrong there would be a few but we are taking over the past 10 years here the slow depletion of our city class ranks good horses are hard to find at the best of times

JayJay · December 2023

freodockers said:
Can someone tell me how many have come in from NZ + ES and raced at GP on Friday night in past 12 months.

Only a national figure...456 horses imported to Australia from NZ in season 2022. 2023 figures not yet available. Rolling average for the past 5 seasons (excluding the "3 month" 2020 season) is 429 horses imported Australia wide.

I don't have the answer to the other parts of your query.

Trottingtragic · December 2023

It is sad to see that this forum is consistently negative and likes to continually point out how bad we have it here. Scrub the handicapping system I hear. Fine but no one has any forward positive thinking solutions that would actually be helpful. Change to the NR system, we’ll be very careful. It has not worked over east. Watching the Victorian racing is boring and uncompetitive, the field gets so strung out the camera can’t even put some horses in the frame. Turn over is so bad that the prize money is being reduced back to 2012 times. What about Menangle you say, yes it’s going well at the moment but we will see what happens when all the money from Harold Park is gone. Unfortunately we now have the person who was part in creating this system as the head of harness racing here. Does he want to implement his system, you bet. He has spent a lot of time on this so he would love to see his legacy come to fruition here in the west also. Why don’t we go back to the old system? Never go back, it doesn’t work the old system made it hard for horses to have longevity in the industry. Just because a horse made it to an M3 doesn’t mean he will always be competitive at that level, having to draw wide because you are an M2 and you fluked that win by sitting behind the leader, just got over the top of him at the finish shouldn’t mean that now you are punished for the rest of your career. Last but not least, we need to get the crowd back on track, well that ship has sailed it will never happen ever again. Society now lives on social media. They can get all the info they need from the comfort of their own home doing something else rather than waiting 40min between races. That is it in a nutshell. Maybe I have missed or not explained something quite right, however we need to use what we know and move forward to a positive future. I really don’t have the answer, but I don’t continually bag out what we have as it is a lot better than most think. Ideas on how we can make this model better, yes there is always room for that. This will be my only post ever. Thanks for reading.

Gilgamesh · December 2023

Something that desperately needs to be fixed is the flow of races. Nugget has to be before the cup. Maybe have a heat final spring gift for up and coming horses, winner gets a start in the cup.

Maybe actually handicap.some races, was great seeing Minstrel come off a back mark last night. GP constantly decreed as a leaders track but if you actually have the good horses drawn wide or back line you will see moves instead of someone at worst equal to the best horse in the race constantly drawn to lead-of course the leader is going to win.

JayJay · December 2023

The temptation to label as "negative" those calling for change to an industry that is broken is always the first and often the only resort. Defenders of the Realm down by the Palms have developed that into an art form whilst shielding the truth of the "state of the nation" from all who get served up their propaganda. Sadly, Trottingtragic has chosen to join the troupe. Labeling proponents of change goes a lot further than just calling them negative, "cancers on the industry" is the preferred defense of one leading administrator but that's entirely up to him. Water off this ducks back.

No argument that society has changed, no argument that it is hitched irreversible to social media and that the couch is a good place to watch from but the AFL is no different and the games are played in front of full houses, crowd attendance grow annually.

But that is not our problem, our problem is people don't bet on Harness Racing, percentage of overall turnover is below 12% and falling. No amount of gloss on Gloucester Park being the highest turnover track in WA or on a Friday night or any other spin you want to put on it, can get away from the fact that whatever it is, it is not enough. Your premiere track needs to lift way above its weight to support the Industry that supports its very existence. Why people can't see that is beyond me.

The truth of the matter, the cold heart reality, is that at less than 40 cents in the dollar and falling, the industry in it's current state is not viable. I wish that wasn't true but it is and we are going/have gone broke, we cannot carry on down the path we are going, being heavily subsidised. The "subsidisers" will eventually pull the rug out from under the industry.

The largest representative body in WA Harness Racing is WACHRA, clearly. It represents many more members than GPHRC, many more than HROA and sadly, many more than BOTRA. WACHRA has been very proactive and positive in the last 12 months in seeking to identify and provide solutions to the Industry's current status and it has done so under the shadow of the further rationalisation of country tracks and dates, effectively being under the guillotine in spite of denials to the contrary.

WACHRA has produced and presented to both Government and RWWA a comprehensive 35 page submission which seeks to address the issues by both identifying the problems and proposing solutions. It has met on numerous occasions with both the Minister, his political advisors and RWWA to discuss and further elaborate on potential fixes. Certainly, handicapping has been a hot topic but WACHRA has never hoisted it's petard solely on the NR system as a solution to all the industries woes, never. What Cameron Brown comes up with is yet to be determined. Yes, he was involved with NR whilst at HRA but he has outsourced the handicapping review to John Dumesny. The jury is out on whatever recommendations he comes up with moving forward. The addition of extra stand races where proper handicapping can be exhibited as per the excellent stand at GP on Friday Night and Narrogin on Saturday, with backmarkers winning and making for an exciting product which punters WILL bet on is a self evident and a supported component of the positive options put on the table.

WACHRA in it's submissions has also never professed to have all the answers but there are things that are as plain as the sun rising each day. There are claims made about turnover that are frequently given air time that are demonstrably misleading. The need to have PBD as the preferred option for general racing is patently obvious. Programming is frequently identified by multiple industry groups as a huge issue, both in the referred to above "flow of the calendar of races" and to the actual races programmed each week for individual classes.

The desperate need for on course stabling and a training centre are at the top of WACHRA's push for a more sustainable model, so that younger participants can get a training foothold in the Industry against a backdrop of frightening real estate values. A well thought out, planned and stakes driven "Country Cups" initiative has also been put on the table. Throwing millions of dollars at a venue that is failing cannot be justified for no perceptible gain other than maintenance of status quo. No number of "reinvigorations" have done a thing to halt the slide into oblivion be they the mutli-million Interdominions, the Nullabor or jiggling the dates of the Pacing Cup.

With the recent Cabinet reshuffle and the portfolio returning once again to Minister Papalia, much of the continuity and effective dialogue that was established with Minister Whitby and his advisors may well need to be re-established as there is no guarantee that previous staff transfer to the new Minister.

But contrary to your assertion that there are no "positive thinking solutions" being put on the table, I believe you are way off the mark. I could go on and talk about the Victorian situation and the stakes cut courtesy of the terrible contract, soon to expire and be renogotiated, that they have with TabCorp but that is irrelevant to the story in WA.

freodockers · December 2023

Keep punching JayJay.

sonny · December 2023

Hi JJ. My info from Menangle is they pushed the price up from 44.00 to 66.00 for one box per week for stabling on course.. .

Chopchop43 · December 2023

I mean AFL is immensely more popular than harness racing has been always will be alot has to with the atmosphere, facilities on offer, time slots of games etc it would be like comparing harness racing in the states with the NFL two completely different industries apples/oranges so I think the comparisons are irrelevant

JayJay · December 2023

They hang tightly these Geckos, won't let facts get in the way, state false facts with such supreme authority as befitting their positions, either present or past.

In response to an expression of concern about the low number of starters and races last Friday Night, and how the scheduling and programming may have hung the Village Kid Sprint out on a limb as a race, now coming some 3 weeks after the Cup, the response was typically non factual.

"Oh, nothing to worry about, numbers always drop off at this time of the year" blusters one of the inner circle. Do they? Do they just? Said with great authority but as is often the case, bereft of truth.

Numbers from the corresponding December meeting going as far back as I could be bothered looking up which did include an Interdominion Meeting:

2016 111 horses

2017 123 horses

2018 102 horses

2019 97 horses

2020 99 horses

2021 97 horses

2022 100 horses

All of the above 10 races except 2017 11 races

And then

2023 65 horses and only 8 races.

Now, if the answer had been along the lines of owners have been scared off by Magnificent Storm's presence and that he may be going for a rest next week, as an explanation for the 6 horse field, then fair enough, that is a reasonable interpretation but to just blatantly assert false facts is sadly very typical of how some of them operate.

Based on nominations, fields should hopefully bounce back this week.

Markovina · December 2023

Trottingtragic said:
It is sad to see that this forum is consistently negative and likes to continually point out how bad we have it here. Scrub the handicapping system I hear. Fine but no one has any forward positive thinking solutions that would actually be helpful. Change to the NR system, we’ll be very careful. It has not worked over east. Watching the Victorian racing is boring and uncompetitive, the field gets so strung out the camera can’t even put some horses in the frame. Turn over is so bad that the prize money is being reduced back to 2012 times. What about Menangle you say, yes it’s going well at the moment but we will see what happens when all the money from Harold Park is gone. Unfortunately we now have the person who was part in creating this system as the head of harness racing here. Does he want to implement his system, you bet. He has spent a lot of time on this so he would love to see his legacy come to fruition here in the west also. Why don’t we go back to the old system? Never go back, it doesn’t work the old system made it hard for horses to have longevity in the industry. Just because a horse made it to an M3 doesn’t mean he will always be competitive at that level, having to draw wide because you are an M2 and you fluked that win by sitting behind the leader, just got over the top of him at the finish shouldn’t mean that now you are punished for the rest of your career. Last but not least, we need to get the crowd back on track, well that ship has sailed it will never happen ever again. Society now lives on social media. They can get all the info they need from the comfort of their own home doing something else rather than waiting 40min between races. That is it in a nutshell. Maybe I have missed or not explained something quite right, however we need to use what we know and move forward to a positive future. I really don’t have the answer, but I don’t continually bag out what we have as it is a lot better than most think. Ideas on how we can make this model better, yes there is always room for that. This will be my only post ever. Thanks for reading.

Look mate - ,most of what you said is just utter rubbish

The facts of the matter are , there would be tremendous excitement and anticipation re the future of WA Harness , if with the 25 million dollar cheque that RWWA are providing that GP was to be transformed into a 950-1000 metre Pacing circuit with world class cambering , however it is utterly devastating ( and that is where 99.7% of the doom and gloom kicks in ) that they are going to spend that amount of money and keep an 800 metre track

And what rubs it right in mate , is the 2 Halls plus their hero worshipping mate Rocket and also lets not forget the former biggest Harness Racing bookie they are all saying an 800 metre track is all good with them , just unbelievable stuff but that is what they are saying

You contrast it to QLD with the new facility at the Gold Coast - there no 1 person has said multiple times re this massive development, we must get this right ( have you ever heard Radley say that - or whoever is running WA Harness Racing , ive got no idea who that is , to borrow someone elses line , maybe its the bloke standing outside of Hoyts ). Exactly the same with the Devenport Club with their 18 million $s of industry funds , they kocked on the head their preferred site , inside the Devenport Gallops track , because they could only build an 800 metre track , thus they bought land next to the Devenport Airport where they are going to get a beautiful big track , thus alot of the participants around that area would at this point be highly excited about that development , just like i would be if GP was going to 950-1000 metres

Forget about any other issues the doom and gloom with me re WA Harness Racing starts and finishes with spending $25 million and keeping an 800 metre metropolitan track

Rocket_Reign · December 2023

Markovina said:

Trottingtragic said:
It is sad to see that this forum is consistently negative and likes to continually point out how bad we have it here. Scrub the handicapping system I hear. Fine but no one has any forward positive thinking solutions that would actually be helpful. Change to the NR system, we’ll be very careful. It has not worked over east. Watching the Victorian racing is boring and uncompetitive, the field gets so strung out the camera can’t even put some horses in the frame. Turn over is so bad that the prize money is being reduced back to 2012 times. What about Menangle you say, yes it’s going well at the moment but we will see what happens when all the money from Harold Park is gone. Unfortunately we now have the person who was part in creating this system as the head of harness racing here. Does he want to implement his system, you bet. He has spent a lot of time on this so he would love to see his legacy come to fruition here in the west also. Why don’t we go back to the old system? Never go back, it doesn’t work the old system made it hard for horses to have longevity in the industry. Just because a horse made it to an M3 doesn’t mean he will always be competitive at that level, having to draw wide because you are an M2 and you fluked that win by sitting behind the leader, just got over the top of him at the finish shouldn’t mean that now you are punished for the rest of your career. Last but not least, we need to get the crowd back on track, well that ship has sailed it will never happen ever again. Society now lives on social media. They can get all the info they need from the comfort of their own home doing something else rather than waiting 40min between races. That is it in a nutshell. Maybe I have missed or not explained something quite right, however we need to use what we know and move forward to a positive future. I really don’t have the answer, but I don’t continually bag out what we have as it is a lot better than most think. Ideas on how we can make this model better, yes there is always room for that. This will be my only post ever. Thanks for reading.
Look mate - ,most of what you said is just utter rubbish

The facts of the matter are , there would be tremendous excitement and anticipation re the future of WA Harness , if with the 25 million dollar cheque that RWWA are providing that GP was to be transformed into a 950-1000 metre Pacing circuit with world class cambering , however it is utterly devastating ( and that is where 99.7% of the doom and gloom kicks in ) that they are going to spend that amount of money and keep an 800 metre track

And what rubs it right in mate , is the 2 Halls plus their hero worshipping mate Rocket and also lets not forget the former biggest Harness Racing bookie they are all saying an 800 metre track is all good with them , just unbelievable stuff but that is what they are saying

You contrast it to QLD with the new facility at the Gold Coast - there no 1 person has said multiple times re this massive development, we must get this right ( have you ever heard Radley say that - or whoever is running WA Harness Racing , ive got no idea who that is , to borrow someone elses line , maybe its the bloke standing outside of Hoyts ). Exactly the same with the Devenport Club with their 18 million $s of industry funds , they kocked on the head their preferred site , inside the Devenport Gallops track , because they could only build an 800 metre track , thus they bought land next to the Devenport Airport where they are going to get a beautiful big track , thus alot of the participants around that area would at this point be highly excited about that development , just like i would be if GP was going to 950-1000 metres

Forget about any other issues the doom and gloom with me re WA Harness Racing starts and finishes with spending $25 million and keeping an 800 metre metropolitan track

I’ve always said I don’t care what size track we race on I’ll still train winners, we have 2x1000m tracks already. Have said that I enjoy racing and punting at GP on the 800m track it’s just a preference but again if you want me to say it I don’t care what size track we race on won’t effect my stats.

Chopchop43 · December 2023

Markovina said:

Trottingtragic said:
It is sad to see that this forum is consistently negative and likes to continually point out how bad we have it here. Scrub the handicapping system I hear. Fine but no one has any forward positive thinking solutions that would actually be helpful. Change to the NR system, we’ll be very careful. It has not worked over east. Watching the Victorian racing is boring and uncompetitive, the field gets so strung out the camera can’t even put some horses in the frame. Turn over is so bad that the prize money is being reduced back to 2012 times. What about Menangle you say, yes it’s going well at the moment but we will see what happens when all the money from Harold Park is gone. Unfortunately we now have the person who was part in creating this system as the head of harness racing here. Does he want to implement his system, you bet. He has spent a lot of time on this so he would love to see his legacy come to fruition here in the west also. Why don’t we go back to the old system? Never go back, it doesn’t work the old system made it hard for horses to have longevity in the industry. Just because a horse made it to an M3 doesn’t mean he will always be competitive at that level, having to draw wide because you are an M2 and you fluked that win by sitting behind the leader, just got over the top of him at the finish shouldn’t mean that now you are punished for the rest of your career. Last but not least, we need to get the crowd back on track, well that ship has sailed it will never happen ever again. Society now lives on social media. They can get all the info they need from the comfort of their own home doing something else rather than waiting 40min between races. That is it in a nutshell. Maybe I have missed or not explained something quite right, however we need to use what we know and move forward to a positive future. I really don’t have the answer, but I don’t continually bag out what we have as it is a lot better than most think. Ideas on how we can make this model better, yes there is always room for that. This will be my only post ever. Thanks for reading.
Look mate - ,most of what you said is just utter rubbish

The facts of the matter are , there would be tremendous excitement and anticipation re the future of WA Harness , if with the 25 million dollar cheque that RWWA are providing that GP was to be transformed into a 950-1000 metre Pacing circuit with world class cambering , however it is utterly devastating ( and that is where 99.7% of the doom and gloom kicks in ) that they are going to spend that amount of money and keep an 800 metre track

And what rubs it right in mate , is the 2 Halls plus their hero worshipping mate Rocket and also lets not forget the former biggest Harness Racing bookie they are all saying an 800 metre track is all good with them , just unbelievable stuff but that is what they are saying

You contrast it to QLD with the new facility at the Gold Coast - there no 1 person has said multiple times re this massive development, we must get this right ( have you ever heard Radley say that - or whoever is running WA Harness Racing , ive got no idea who that is , to borrow someone elses line , maybe its the bloke standing outside of Hoyts ). Exactly the same with the Devenport Club with their 18 million $s of industry funds , they kocked on the head their preferred site , inside the Devenport Gallops track , because they could only build an 800 metre track , thus they bought land next to the Devenport Airport where they are going to get a beautiful big track , thus alot of the participants around that area would at this point be highly excited about that development , just like i would be if GP was going to 950-1000 metres

Forget about any other issues the doom and gloom with me re WA Harness Racing starts and finishes with spending $25 million and keeping an 800 metre metropolitan track

mate you shit on all aspects of harness racing over here not just the fact gp is an 800 metre track, it's to that point that no one takes what you say serious you whinge just because you have nothing better to do

Markovina · December 2023

Chopchop43 said:

Markovina said:

Trottingtragic said:
It is sad to see that this forum is consistently negative and likes to continually point out how bad we have it here. Scrub the handicapping system I hear. Fine but no one has any forward positive thinking solutions that would actually be helpful. Change to the NR system, we’ll be very careful. It has not worked over east. Watching the Victorian racing is boring and uncompetitive, the field gets so strung out the camera can’t even put some horses in the frame. Turn over is so bad that the prize money is being reduced back to 2012 times. What about Menangle you say, yes it’s going well at the moment but we will see what happens when all the money from Harold Park is gone. Unfortunately we now have the person who was part in creating this system as the head of harness racing here. Does he want to implement his system, you bet. He has spent a lot of time on this so he would love to see his legacy come to fruition here in the west also. Why don’t we go back to the old system? Never go back, it doesn’t work the old system made it hard for horses to have longevity in the industry. Just because a horse made it to an M3 doesn’t mean he will always be competitive at that level, having to draw wide because you are an M2 and you fluked that win by sitting behind the leader, just got over the top of him at the finish shouldn’t mean that now you are punished for the rest of your career. Last but not least, we need to get the crowd back on track, well that ship has sailed it will never happen ever again. Society now lives on social media. They can get all the info they need from the comfort of their own home doing something else rather than waiting 40min between races. That is it in a nutshell. Maybe I have missed or not explained something quite right, however we need to use what we know and move forward to a positive future. I really don’t have the answer, but I don’t continually bag out what we have as it is a lot better than most think. Ideas on how we can make this model better, yes there is always room for that. This will be my only post ever. Thanks for reading.
Look mate - ,most of what you said is just utter rubbish

The facts of the matter are , there would be tremendous excitement and anticipation re the future of WA Harness , if with the 25 million dollar cheque that RWWA are providing that GP was to be transformed into a 950-1000 metre Pacing circuit with world class cambering , however it is utterly devastating ( and that is where 99.7% of the doom and gloom kicks in ) that they are going to spend that amount of money and keep an 800 metre track

And what rubs it right in mate , is the 2 Halls plus their hero worshipping mate Rocket and also lets not forget the former biggest Harness Racing bookie they are all saying an 800 metre track is all good with them , just unbelievable stuff but that is what they are saying

You contrast it to QLD with the new facility at the Gold Coast - there no 1 person has said multiple times re this massive development, we must get this right ( have you ever heard Radley say that - or whoever is running WA Harness Racing , ive got no idea who that is , to borrow someone elses line , maybe its the bloke standing outside of Hoyts ). Exactly the same with the Devenport Club with their 18 million $s of industry funds , they kocked on the head their preferred site , inside the Devenport Gallops track , because they could only build an 800 metre track , thus they bought land next to the Devenport Airport where they are going to get a beautiful big track , thus alot of the participants around that area would at this point be highly excited about that development , just like i would be if GP was going to 950-1000 metres

Forget about any other issues the doom and gloom with me re WA Harness Racing starts and finishes with spending $25 million and keeping an 800 metre metropolitan track

mate you **** on all aspects of harness racing over here not just the fact gp is an 800 metre track, it's to that point that no one takes what you say serious you whinge just because you have nothing better to do

Oh give it a spell mate - ive consistently said - must have posted 3-4 times - that if GP went to 950-1000 metre track -then WA would have the best Metro harness racing in Aust - so how in hell is that bagging WA Harness

Your just a keyboard warrior , puffing your chest , trying to get cheap likes amongst your mates - you never give your views like the 25 mill for an 800 metre track

I give a few views , and i dont care if the keyboard warriors hide under their piece of rusted tin like tiger snakes then crawl out and have a go at me

I do think there needs to be a radical look and shakeup of regional country WA Trotting

You look at Narrogin and Wagin , and i think they are both very ordinary tracks , i can remember way back , J Prentice drove at Wagin , they queried a drive , and he said i had forgotten how tight the turns were here , plus if there is a drop of rain , the lead is worth a 100 metres

Thus i would do exactly what Vic did with Nyah and Swan Hill , only 1 town will have trotting , because we are going to build a magnificent new facility and Swan Hill got the nod , where as Nyah was an old goat track and Swan Hill has got now probably in the best 3 tracks in Aust

Northam is an 850 metre track been like it for 50 years , im no fan of that track , and their town has never backed harness racing , no one attends meetings . Iwent to Cunderdin twice and York once , the latter was like a mini Rich Raceway in that at the top of the straight on the left they had a grassed parade ring . And at both those tracks there was a hell of alot more people than at Northam - mind you at Northam there was nobody

GP staying their with a 1000 metre track my preferred option by a mile - but if thats impossible , have they ever run the ruler over say the Claremont Showgrounds , holds the show once a year , talk of a big redevelopment , have they ever looked at other Metro sites for WA Trotting-

JayJay · December 2023

Fair dinkum, new clubhouse leader. Words fail me.

Markovina · December 2023

And fair dinkum your view because you are 50 years out of date - we would be racing at places like Merredin - Wyalkatchem - where Aunty so and so makes a great beef burger and shortbread biscuit

There has been a massive change and boom in where people live in Perth - new suburb after new suburb in the Perth northern suburbs with huge infrastructure , youd have no idea about that because you live out in the sticks somewhere

Qld - after AP got reclaimed for the Olympics - guess why they chose the Gold Coast - because most of the participants who train pacers are based their . How many participants are based way up at Northam - and for the past 45-50 years their oncourse public attendances are deplorable

savethegame · December 2023

They had a track at Parklands Gold Coast which held the 2009 inters Mr Feelgood. Went there in 1993 it was rated one the best tracks Bulldozed it around 2013. So they going to build another one on gold coast.Think the first one was Big Russ's Baby

Chopchop43 · December 2023

Markovina said:

Chopchop43 said:

Markovina said:

Trottingtragic said:
It is sad to see that this forum is consistently negative and likes to continually point out how bad we have it here. Scrub the handicapping system I hear. Fine but no one has any forward positive thinking solutions that would actually be helpful. Change to the NR system, we’ll be very careful. It has not worked over east. Watching the Victorian racing is boring and uncompetitive, the field gets so strung out the camera can’t even put some horses in the frame. Turn over is so bad that the prize money is being reduced back to 2012 times. What about Menangle you say, yes it’s going well at the moment but we will see what happens when all the money from Harold Park is gone. Unfortunately we now have the person who was part in creating this system as the head of harness racing here. Does he want to implement his system, you bet. He has spent a lot of time on this so he would love to see his legacy come to fruition here in the west also. Why don’t we go back to the old system? Never go back, it doesn’t work the old system made it hard for horses to have longevity in the industry. Just because a horse made it to an M3 doesn’t mean he will always be competitive at that level, having to draw wide because you are an M2 and you fluked that win by sitting behind the leader, just got over the top of him at the finish shouldn’t mean that now you are punished for the rest of your career. Last but not least, we need to get the crowd back on track, well that ship has sailed it will never happen ever again. Society now lives on social media. They can get all the info they need from the comfort of their own home doing something else rather than waiting 40min between races. That is it in a nutshell. Maybe I have missed or not explained something quite right, however we need to use what we know and move forward to a positive future. I really don’t have the answer, but I don’t continually bag out what we have as it is a lot better than most think. Ideas on how we can make this model better, yes there is always room for that. This will be my only post ever. Thanks for reading.
Look mate - ,most of what you said is just utter rubbish

The facts of the matter are , there would be tremendous excitement and anticipation re the future of WA Harness , if with the 25 million dollar cheque that RWWA are providing that GP was to be transformed into a 950-1000 metre Pacing circuit with world class cambering , however it is utterly devastating ( and that is where 99.7% of the doom and gloom kicks in ) that they are going to spend that amount of money and keep an 800 metre track

And what rubs it right in mate , is the 2 Halls plus their hero worshipping mate Rocket and also lets not forget the former biggest Harness Racing bookie they are all saying an 800 metre track is all good with them , just unbelievable stuff but that is what they are saying

You contrast it to QLD with the new facility at the Gold Coast - there no 1 person has said multiple times re this massive development, we must get this right ( have you ever heard Radley say that - or whoever is running WA Harness Racing , ive got no idea who that is , to borrow someone elses line , maybe its the bloke standing outside of Hoyts ). Exactly the same with the Devenport Club with their 18 million $s of industry funds , they kocked on the head their preferred site , inside the Devenport Gallops track , because they could only build an 800 metre track , thus they bought land next to the Devenport Airport where they are going to get a beautiful big track , thus alot of the participants around that area would at this point be highly excited about that development , just like i would be if GP was going to 950-1000 metres

Forget about any other issues the doom and gloom with me re WA Harness Racing starts and finishes with spending $25 million and keeping an 800 metre metropolitan track

mate you **** on all aspects of harness racing over here not just the fact gp is an 800 metre track, it's to that point that no one takes what you say serious you whinge just because you have nothing better to do
Oh give it a spell mate - ive consistently said - must have posted 3-4 times - that if GP went to 950-1000 metre track -then WA would have the best Metro harness racing in Aust - so how in hell is that bagging WA Harness

Your just a keyboard warrior , puffing your chest , trying to get cheap likes amongst your mates - you never give your views like the 25 mill for an 800 metre track

I give a few views , and i dont care if the keyboard warriors hide under their piece of rusted tin like tiger snakes then crawl out and have a go at me

I do think there needs to be a radical look and shakeup of regional country WA Trotting

You look at Narrogin and Wagin , and i think they are both very ordinary tracks , i can remember way back , J Prentice drove at Wagin , they queried a drive , and he said i had forgotten how tight the turns were here , plus if there is a drop of rain , the lead is worth a 100 metres

Thus i would do exactly what Vic did with Nyah and Swan Hill , only 1 town will have trotting , because we are going to build a magnificent new facility and Swan Hill got the nod , where as Nyah was an old goat track and Swan Hill has got now probably in the best 3 tracks in Aust

Northam is an 850 metre track been like it for 50 years , im no fan of that track , and their town has never backed harness racing , no one attends meetings . Iwent to Cunderdin twice and York once , the latter was like a mini Rich Raceway in that at the top of the straight on the left they had a grassed parade ring . And at both those tracks there was a hell of alot more people than at Northam - mind you at Northam there was nobody

GP staying their with a 1000 metre track my preferred option by a mile - but if thats impossible , have they ever run the ruler over say the Claremont Showgrounds , holds the show once a year , talk of a big redevelopment , have they ever looked at other Metro sites for WA Trotting-

100% more than happy to say it to your annoying whinny face, if anyones a keyboard warrior it's you when you get called out on your stupid idiotic views on how our product apparently doesn't stand up against that of the eastern states

Markovina · December 2023

savethegame said:
They had a track at Parklands Gold Coast which held the 2009 inters Mr Feelgood. Went there in 1993 it was rated one the best tracks Bulldozed it around 2013. So they going to build another one on gold coast.Think the first one was Big Russ's Baby

They had no say or control over that - the govt or council or whatever resumed the land and a highway was built on it

I can remember Darrel Graham was outspoken and critical at the time - he said its like if NSW lost Newcastle , then surely they would give them land somewhere else - but Parklands they just lost it cold

VillageKid · December 2023

The Parklands trotting track on the Gold Coast became the Athletes Village for the 2018 GC Commonwealth Games if I remember correctly!

JayJay · December 2023

Some posters very keen on "alternative facts'....they don't know, so they just make stuff up.

Parklands did indeed become the Games village, it wasn't resumed for a highway, and if anyone finds the grassed parade ring at the York track at the top of the straight on the left, please advise.

Bit like the statement that the Northam Club isn't backed by the town, has nobody on course and is an 850m track. 3 strikes there but he just keeps on digging. All from someone who never ever attends a meeting and hasn't done so for a very long time.

A little while ago, Wagin was his preferred track to bet on a Friday Night, now, suddenly, it is ordinary, has tight turns and is a leaders paradise if their is a drop of rain.

It is not a matter of having a view or an opinion but opinions mean nothing unless supported by facts.

The ultimate clickbaiter. I'll say it again, clubhouse leader in the Troll Stakes.

freodockers · December 2023

Top of straight left hand side behind stewards room was there not a lawn bowls green at York ??
Parade ring was top left hand corner of back straight near float park from memory.
Wasn’t the greatest track in the world, had a great surface and was certainly not for faint hearted.

Markovina · December 2023

JayJay said:
Some posters very keen on "alternative facts'....they don't know, so they just make stuff up.

Parklands did indeed become the Games village, it wasn't resumed for a highway, and if anyone finds the grassed parade ring at the York track at the top of the straight on the left, please advise.

Bit like the statement that the Northam Club isn't backed by the town, has nobody on course and is an 850m track. 3 strikes there but he just keeps on digging. All from someone who never ever attends a meeting and hasn't done so for a very long time.

A little while ago, Wagin was his preferred track to bet on a Friday Night, now, suddenly, it is ordinary, has tight turns and is a leaders paradise if their is a drop of rain.

It is not a matter of having a view or an opinion but opinions mean nothing unless supported by facts.

The ultimate clickbaiter. I'll say it again, clubhouse leader in the Troll Stakes.

Ok point scorer mate - it was Gawler who lost their track because of a highway

The bottom line is Gold Coast lost their track - with no replacement - and their participants wernt happy about that

You know everything and anything - and if Brian Hancock says he had a couple of B graders , you get out your little precious record book and say i dont care that Brian who was their trainer says that because they wernt B Graders

You know everything

Markovina · December 2023

freodockers said:
Top of straight left hand side behind stewards room was there not a lawn bowls green at York ??
Parade ring was top left hand corner of back straight near float park from memory.
Wasn’t the greatest track in the world, had a great surface and was certainly not for faint hearted.

It was a long long time ago - but when i say top of the straight left hand side - looking up the home straight from the winning post to the top of the straight then when doing that , on the left hand side

Why that sticks in my mind - FRK warming one up in the last race

And i stand by my comments re Northam - no one ever went , Chariots bookie mate Bruce Atkinson use to talk to the 80 year old town drunk , because he was the only one their

freodockers · December 2023

FRK hated the joint, more to the point hated standing starts, remember one night he took 5 horses and won 5 races.

G'day Punter!

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