GP New Years

Gilgamesh · January 1

Rocket_Reign said:

Gilgamesh said:

Cant_Refuse said:

Gilgamesh said:
What would be the agenda though fellas? To want a successful/thriving/profitable metro club??

Is that a bad agenda??

Stopped by on the way through and numbers were looking great early. Kids activation area could have used a bit of work (but thst is always the case).

Hopefully all the restaurant/various catering packages were full to the brim and the club had a fill up.

More importantly hopefully those people enjoyed themselves, book in a few times during the year, take an interest and have a bet during the year, maybe even buy a leg in a horse.

Have to say Basil's family friendly fireworks were a hit, city was absolutely heaving.

Jar Jar definitely doesn’t want a thriving metropolitan club.

We all see things differently.

To me all he wants is accountability from the arm of the industry thst is constly spruiked as the almighty Saviour but in reality is the biggest hole in the books.

It’s the biggest turnover harness track in Australia so doesn’t say much about the rest does it

Any revenue figure given without a cost figure associated with it is as handy as ..... on a bull.

Rocket_Reign · January 1

Markovina said:
I didnt have the chance to watch any of the Trotting last night

Just watched a few replays at various tracks - GP had a big crowd did it , that is a laughable , have a look at a few of the races at Albury last night , just a country town , they have their traditional New Years Eve meeting , Alburys crowd shiits all over GPs crowd and allways does with this meeting - pick any race you like , Race 6 will do , and you will see the proof in the pudding

And back in the day in WA when it was properly run and people actually cared , around 2006-7 i reckon - this is pre Sky Channel coverage of country WA Trotting - that WA on new years eve theyd have 2 nightly WA Country Trotting meetings , Bunbury was your lock and they get a bumper crowd like Albury and Harvey might have been the other one , but they definitely use to run 2 WA Country Trotting meetings on New Years Eve

Albany used to run a new years aswell and they got a big crowd, I’m presuming Albury don’t have function rooms etc if you closed them all last night at GP and put them on the lawn aswell you’d be having a dizzy spell

Markovina · January 1

Rocket_Reign said:

Markovina said:

Rocket_Reign said:

Gilgamesh said:

Cant_Refuse said:

Gilgamesh said:
What would be the agenda though fellas? To want a successful/thriving/profitable metro club??

Is that a bad agenda??

Stopped by on the way through and numbers were looking great early. Kids activation area could have used a bit of work (but thst is always the case).

Hopefully all the restaurant/various catering packages were full to the brim and the club had a fill up.

More importantly hopefully those people enjoyed themselves, book in a few times during the year, take an interest and have a bet during the year, maybe even buy a leg in a horse.

Have to say Basil's family friendly fireworks were a hit, city was absolutely heaving.

Jar Jar definitely doesn’t want a thriving metropolitan club.

We all see things differently.

To me all he wants is accountability from the arm of the industry thst is constly spruiked as the almighty Saviour but in reality is the biggest hole in the books.

It’s the biggest turnover harness track in Australia so doesn’t say much about the rest does it
Well if that is the fact , how about giving us some figures - what does it turnover on a normal Friday night , what is the total turnover in $s - and who is 2nd 3rd and 4th in the Metro turnover betting

You must have a source saying it is the biggest Trots , Aust wide turnover , who is that , and id love to have some actual hard numbers to back that up

Give Cam Brown a call he’s very friendly and accomodating he will give you all the stats and figures you need

But put up some actual figures - its like saying Radley told you

And if you say is actually true - then Syd which was traditionally Frid night at HP -they would be putting an urgent application to move back to Frid night re Menangle

Likewise Vic - which did give Frid night a go many years back at Moonee Valley - they would be applying to move to Frid night

Ditto Globe Derby and Albion Park , they would all be trying to move to Frid night

Its not disbelieving you as you suggest , but i wont believe anything until i see figures

Gilgamesh · January 1

Ball park i would say I collected about 50K from my bets last year.

I have a good mate that would only have collected about 30k.

I was pretty much bang on square for the year.

He was up about 10k.

My betting was far superior though because I collected more.....

Rocket_Reign · January 1

Markovina said:

Rocket_Reign said:

Markovina said:

Rocket_Reign said:

Gilgamesh said:

Cant_Refuse said:

Gilgamesh said:
What would be the agenda though fellas? To want a successful/thriving/profitable metro club??

Is that a bad agenda??

Stopped by on the way through and numbers were looking great early. Kids activation area could have used a bit of work (but thst is always the case).

Hopefully all the restaurant/various catering packages were full to the brim and the club had a fill up.

More importantly hopefully those people enjoyed themselves, book in a few times during the year, take an interest and have a bet during the year, maybe even buy a leg in a horse.

Have to say Basil's family friendly fireworks were a hit, city was absolutely heaving.

Jar Jar definitely doesn’t want a thriving metropolitan club.

We all see things differently.

To me all he wants is accountability from the arm of the industry thst is constly spruiked as the almighty Saviour but in reality is the biggest hole in the books.

It’s the biggest turnover harness track in Australia so doesn’t say much about the rest does it
Well if that is the fact , how about giving us some figures - what does it turnover on a normal Friday night , what is the total turnover in $s - and who is 2nd 3rd and 4th in the Metro turnover betting

You must have a source saying it is the biggest Trots , Aust wide turnover , who is that , and id love to have some actual hard numbers to back that up

Give Cam Brown a call he’s very friendly and accomodating he will give you all the stats and figures you need
But put up some actual figures - its like saying Radley told you

And if you say is actually true - then Syd which was traditionally Frid night at HP -they would be putting an urgent application to move back to Frid night re Menangle

Likewise Vic - which did give Frid night a go many years back at Moonee Valley - they would be applying to move to Frid night

Ditto Globe Derby and Albion Park , they would all be trying to move to Frid night

Its not disbelieving you as you suggest , but i wont believe anything until i see figures

Radley is GP, Cam was employed by RWWA from over east to come here look at what’s happening and try fix it, if his stats and figures aren’t enough for you then that’s on you

Gilgamesh · January 1

Nathan Tinkler was a highly successful race horse owner, he won mulriple Group 1 races....

Rocket_Reign · January 1

Gilgamesh said:
Nathan Tinkler was a highly successful race horse owner, he won mulriple Group 1 races....

I know the stats and figures don’t support your agenda but no need to get salty

Gilgamesh · January 1

Rocket_Reign said:

Gilgamesh said:
Nathan Tinkler was a highly successful race horse owner, he won mulriple Group 1 races....

I know the stats and figures don’t support your agenda but no need to get salty

Not once in any of these threads on the issue have you mentioned cost. Just turnover.

If the metro meetings turnover was as you suggest why does the club need to relinquish 30%+ of their land and go cap in hand to the government for 30mil in order to continue operating?? With members being told this outcome was the only way the club could survive??

Sounds like revenues arent meeting expenses.

Perhaps you should buy every NZ horse that comes on the market for the next year, I mean think of the prizemoney you could win. Surely that's a sound business model...

Also you have missed my agenda. Mine is wanting races handicapped so we can have more races you can form a contrary opinion.

I'm not too fused where we race. I also don't require artificially inflated prize money to support my income. Those that do should give solid consideration to where they may be headed if things don't change.

freodockers · January 1

Over East to the lower turnover states is where their headed.

AbbysAce · January 2

Another riverting 8 race program this Friday....

7 runners in 3 races, 5 horses in 1.

Single file trials.

JayJay · January 2

But turnover on Friday will be "the biggest Australia wide for a harness track" with never a figure released to support that well circulated chestnut from propaganda central.

But the question that never ever gets answered is that, even if this was true, how come Friday Night metro meetings return less than 40 cents in the dollar even without taking into account the $3.7 miilion meeting (average $37, 000 per meeting) fee handed over by RWWA to run the meetings...and at less than 40 cents in the dollar, that equates to a 9 million dollar loss each season to the Industry.....as overall share of turnover falls below 12%. No one ever addresses those pesky facts, based on RWWA's own published data.

The gallops put their Cup back to New Years Day...the result? Well, self evident, looked to be a very large crowd, turnover, even on TAB touch huge, media publicity and public interest both pre -race and post race was fantastic. We hid our principal race into mid November because it is apparently a "window of high turnover". It passed by without barely a ripple and a wonderful champion horse is all but ignored.

Our New Years Eve program of fundamentally country races is judged a success because the restaurants are full and the club, as opposed to the Industry, presumably turns a very good profit. Turnover in comparison to the races the next day was awful, the bouncy castle and fireworks, now bloused out by Basil's extravaganza down at Elizabeth Quay, failed to draw the crowd in and at 40 bucks per adult, I can see why.

The best defense on here is to resort to name calling and phone Cam Brown seeking data he probably is not allowed to release. The stats and figure that he put up at the Industry Outreach sessions are exactly what I am quoting on here.

If the new norm for summer racing is 8 race cards with 5 horse FFA's and very undersubscribed races with just 71 acceptors, as it appears to be, then anyone who can't see how unwell our Industry is doesn't want to see the approaching firestorm.

Offthebit · January 2

5 horse free for all with decent prize money of $31k is an embarrassment

Chopchop43 · January 2

JayJay said:
But turnover on Friday will be "the biggest Australia wide for a harness track" with never a figure released to support that well circulated chestnut from propaganda central.

But the question that never ever gets answered is that, even if this was true, how come Friday Night metro meetings return less than 40 cents in the dollar even without taking into account the $3.7 miilion meeting (average $37, 000 per meeting) fee handed over by RWWA to run the meetings...and at less than 40 cents in the dollar, that equates to a 9 million dollar loss each season to the Industry.....as overall share of turnover falls below 12%. No one ever addresses those pesky facts, based on RWWA's own published data.

The gallops put their Cup back to New Years Day...the result? Well, self evident, looked to be a very large crowd, turnover, even on TAB touch huge, media publicity and public interest both pre -race and post race was fantastic. We hid our principal race into mid November because it is apparently a "window of high turnover". It passed by without barely a ripple and a wonderful champion horse is all but ignored.

Our New Years Eve program of fundamentally country races is judged a success because the restaurants are full and the club, as opposed to the Industry, presumably turns a very good profit. Turnover in comparison to the races the next day was awful, the bouncy castle and fireworks, now bloused out by Basil's extravaganza down at Elizabeth Quay, failed to draw the crowd in and at 40 bucks per adult, I can see why.

The best defense on here is to resort to name calling and phone Cam Brown seeking data he probably is not allowed to release. The stats and figure that he put up at the Industry Outreach sessions are exactly what I am quoting on here.

If the new norm for summer racing is 8 race cards with 5 horse FFA's and very undersubscribed races with just 71 acceptors, as it appears to be, then anyone who can't see how unwell our Industry is doesn't want to see the approaching firestorm.

in fairness I haven't seen one person say that the industry is going gangbusters at the moment, the Industry is in the toilet I just think targeting Gloucester Park as the main reason for this as some seem to have is going after the low hanging fruit I think the are several other issues ie the handicapping and programming disaster which contribute to the downfall of our product at the current time, the are probably another handful of issues aswell that haven't been brought up aswell

JayJay · January 3

So your saying that handicapping and programming haven't been raised on this forum as major contributing factors??? Have you not read the pages and pages of post from dozens of contributors both before and after their introduction in November 2018?

And your also saying that of the $15 million loss that Harness is currently running up per annum (and growing), Gloucester Park being responsible for 11 million of it places it in the "low hanging fruit department??? What the hell then are the high hanging fruit?

Get hold of the WACHRA submission and have a read of it. It identifies all of the varieties of fruit, both high and low hanging ....but to suggest that handicapping and programming "haven't been bought up as well" is living in an alternative universe.

Rocket_Reign · January 3

JayJay said:
But turnover on Friday will be "the biggest Australia wide for a harness track" with never a figure released to support that well circulated chestnut from propaganda central.

But the question that never ever gets answered is that, even if this was true, how come Friday Night metro meetings return less than 40 cents in the dollar even without taking into account the $3.7 miilion meeting (average $37, 000 per meeting) fee handed over by RWWA to run the meetings...and at less than 40 cents in the dollar, that equates to a 9 million dollar loss each season to the Industry.....as overall share of turnover falls below 12%. No one ever addresses those pesky facts, based on RWWA's own published data.

The gallops put their Cup back to New Years Day...the result? Well, self evident, looked to be a very large crowd, turnover, even on TAB touch huge, media publicity and public interest both pre -race and post race was fantastic. We hid our principal race into mid November because it is apparently a "window of high turnover". It passed by without barely a ripple and a wonderful champion horse is all but ignored.

Our New Years Eve program of fundamentally country races is judged a success because the restaurants are full and the club, as opposed to the Industry, presumably turns a very good profit. Turnover in comparison to the races the next day was awful, the bouncy castle and fireworks, now bloused out by Basil's extravaganza down at Elizabeth Quay, failed to draw the crowd in and at 40 bucks per adult, I can see why.

The best defense on here is to resort to name calling and phone Cam Brown seeking data he probably is not allowed to release. The stats and figure that he put up at the Industry Outreach sessions are exactly what I am quoting on here.

If the new norm for summer racing is 8 race cards with 5 horse FFA's and very undersubscribed races with just 71 acceptors, as it appears to be, then anyone who can't see how unwell our Industry is doesn't want to see the approaching firestorm.

Pikey was actually saying yesterday the crowd cup day was a shade of its former self. Dunno myself I don’t go but I presume he would know

Gilgamesh · January 3

Rocket_Reign said:

JayJay said:
But turnover on Friday will be "the biggest Australia wide for a harness track" with never a figure released to support that well circulated chestnut from propaganda central.

But the question that never ever gets answered is that, even if this was true, how come Friday Night metro meetings return less than 40 cents in the dollar even without taking into account the $3.7 miilion meeting (average $37, 000 per meeting) fee handed over by RWWA to run the meetings...and at less than 40 cents in the dollar, that equates to a 9 million dollar loss each season to the Industry.....as overall share of turnover falls below 12%. No one ever addresses those pesky facts, based on RWWA's own published data.

The gallops put their Cup back to New Years Day...the result? Well, self evident, looked to be a very large crowd, turnover, even on TAB touch huge, media publicity and public interest both pre -race and post race was fantastic. We hid our principal race into mid November because it is apparently a "window of high turnover". It passed by without barely a ripple and a wonderful champion horse is all but ignored.

Our New Years Eve program of fundamentally country races is judged a success because the restaurants are full and the club, as opposed to the Industry, presumably turns a very good profit. Turnover in comparison to the races the next day was awful, the bouncy castle and fireworks, now bloused out by Basil's extravaganza down at Elizabeth Quay, failed to draw the crowd in and at 40 bucks per adult, I can see why.

The best defense on here is to resort to name calling and phone Cam Brown seeking data he probably is not allowed to release. The stats and figure that he put up at the Industry Outreach sessions are exactly what I am quoting on here.

If the new norm for summer racing is 8 race cards with 5 horse FFA's and very undersubscribed races with just 71 acceptors, as it appears to be, then anyone who can't see how unwell our Industry is doesn't want to see the approaching firestorm.

Pikey was actually saying yesterday the crowd cup day was a shade of its former self. Dunno myself I don’t go but I presume he would know

Compared to the early 2000's absolutely its a shade of its formerself.

But sounds like it was a modern day success.

Not sure if you were in WA during that time but tent land was a wild time, great fun, huge crowds. Reports were that even with the massive crowd the infrastructure, staff, security costs involved meant after a certain number it actually wasnt profitable. Still my personal opinion is get them along and hope you can get them back again during the year.

Was similar thst time frame at GP with some of the larger acts in Australian performing new years eve but the costs associated with getting them here plus i feel like from early 2000s through to current day the OHS and security reuqirements to go along with your liquor license have gone through the roof.

Pretty sure i heard the Perth Racing CEO say the sweet spot now is around 9k. Anymore and they dont have the staff levels.

Back in the day i'm sure they were reaching 30k plus.

freodockers · January 3

Gilgamesh said:

Rocket_Reign said:

JayJay said:
But turnover on Friday will be "the biggest Australia wide for a harness track" with never a figure released to support that well circulated chestnut from propaganda central.

But the question that never ever gets answered is that, even if this was true, how come Friday Night metro meetings return less than 40 cents in the dollar even without taking into account the $3.7 miilion meeting (average $37, 000 per meeting) fee handed over by RWWA to run the meetings...and at less than 40 cents in the dollar, that equates to a 9 million dollar loss each season to the Industry.....as overall share of turnover falls below 12%. No one ever addresses those pesky facts, based on RWWA's own published data.

The gallops put their Cup back to New Years Day...the result? Well, self evident, looked to be a very large crowd, turnover, even on TAB touch huge, media publicity and public interest both pre -race and post race was fantastic. We hid our principal race into mid November because it is apparently a "window of high turnover". It passed by without barely a ripple and a wonderful champion horse is all but ignored.

Our New Years Eve program of fundamentally country races is judged a success because the restaurants are full and the club, as opposed to the Industry, presumably turns a very good profit. Turnover in comparison to the races the next day was awful, the bouncy castle and fireworks, now bloused out by Basil's extravaganza down at Elizabeth Quay, failed to draw the crowd in and at 40 bucks per adult, I can see why.

The best defense on here is to resort to name calling and phone Cam Brown seeking data he probably is not allowed to release. The stats and figure that he put up at the Industry Outreach sessions are exactly what I am quoting on here.

If the new norm for summer racing is 8 race cards with 5 horse FFA's and very undersubscribed races with just 71 acceptors, as it appears to be, then anyone who can't see how unwell our Industry is doesn't want to see the approaching firestorm.

Pikey was actually saying yesterday the crowd cup day was a shade of its former self. Dunno myself I don’t go but I presume he would know

Compared to the early 2000's absolutely its a shade of its formerself.

But sounds like it was a modern day success.

Not sure if you were in WA during that time but tent land was a wild time, great fun, huge crowds. Reports were that even with the massive crowd the infrastructure, staff, security costs involved meant after a certain number it actually wasnt profitable. Still my personal opinion is get them along and hope you can get them back again during the year.

Was similar thst time frame at GP with some of the larger acts in Australian performing new years eve but the costs associated with getting them here plus i feel like from early 2000s through to current day the OHS and security reuqirements to go along with your liquor license have gone through the roof.

Pretty sure i heard the Perth Racing CEO say the sweet spot now is around 9k. Anymore and they dont have the staff levels.

Back in the day i'm sure they were reaching 30k plus.

GP crowds NYE from memory 15.0k plus.
At the time insurance premiums went through the roof and as I understand it was the main contributing factor to its demise. Back in the mid to late 90s GP had the market for NYE.

Gilgamesh · January 3

Yes there wasnt a lot of competition for new years eve/day entertainment

Rocket_Reign · January 3

Gilgamesh said:

Rocket_Reign said:

JayJay said:
But turnover on Friday will be "the biggest Australia wide for a harness track" with never a figure released to support that well circulated chestnut from propaganda central.

But the question that never ever gets answered is that, even if this was true, how come Friday Night metro meetings return less than 40 cents in the dollar even without taking into account the $3.7 miilion meeting (average $37, 000 per meeting) fee handed over by RWWA to run the meetings...and at less than 40 cents in the dollar, that equates to a 9 million dollar loss each season to the Industry.....as overall share of turnover falls below 12%. No one ever addresses those pesky facts, based on RWWA's own published data.

The gallops put their Cup back to New Years Day...the result? Well, self evident, looked to be a very large crowd, turnover, even on TAB touch huge, media publicity and public interest both pre -race and post race was fantastic. We hid our principal race into mid November because it is apparently a "window of high turnover". It passed by without barely a ripple and a wonderful champion horse is all but ignored.

Our New Years Eve program of fundamentally country races is judged a success because the restaurants are full and the club, as opposed to the Industry, presumably turns a very good profit. Turnover in comparison to the races the next day was awful, the bouncy castle and fireworks, now bloused out by Basil's extravaganza down at Elizabeth Quay, failed to draw the crowd in and at 40 bucks per adult, I can see why.

The best defense on here is to resort to name calling and phone Cam Brown seeking data he probably is not allowed to release. The stats and figure that he put up at the Industry Outreach sessions are exactly what I am quoting on here.

If the new norm for summer racing is 8 race cards with 5 horse FFA's and very undersubscribed races with just 71 acceptors, as it appears to be, then anyone who can't see how unwell our Industry is doesn't want to see the approaching firestorm.

Pikey was actually saying yesterday the crowd cup day was a shade of its former self. Dunno myself I don’t go but I presume he would know

Compared to the early 2000's absolutely its a shade of its formerself.

But sounds like it was a modern day success.

Not sure if you were in WA during that time but tent land was a wild time, great fun, huge crowds. Reports were that even with the massive crowd the infrastructure, staff, security costs involved meant after a certain number it actually wasnt profitable. Still my personal opinion is get them along and hope you can get them back again during the year.

Was similar thst time frame at GP with some of the larger acts in Australian performing new years eve but the costs associated with getting them here plus i feel like from early 2000s through to current day the OHS and security reuqirements to go along with your liquor license have gone through the roof.

Pretty sure i heard the Perth Racing CEO say the sweet spot now is around 9k. Anymore and they dont have the staff levels.

Back in the day i'm sure they were reaching 30k plus.

Yeah that’s what he said tentland made it huge, said the crowd used to go back to the top of the straight.

Freo I think they stopped because the kept getting fined for underage people drinking so were not making any money, don’t quote me on that though

jum · January 3

It was a cheap day on the Pissss those great halcyon Tent land days. $130 was a premium ticket and you could drink spirits out of cans all day with no limit. You would be all primed up by 3pm and there were beautiful women 360 degrees around you and very little security to ruin your fun.

They then diluted the experience by lifting the prices and taking away your drinking options or limiting them. Also had security at about 1 to 20 patrons. I went 4 or 5 years in a row, before they implemented this, and it was some of the best fun I had as a late teenager early 20s.

You could only imagine how many people were actually backing up from GP the night before.

Gilgamesh · January 3

jum said:
It was a cheap day on the Pissss those great halcyon Tent land days. $130 was a premium ticket and you could drink spirits out of cans all day with no limit. You would be all primed up by 3pm and there were beautiful women 360 degrees around you and very little security to ruin your fun.
They then diluted the experience by lifting the prices and taking away your drinking options or limiting them. Also had security at about 1 to 20 patrons. I went 4 or 5 years in a row, before they implemented this, and it was some of the best fun I had as a late teenager early 20s.
You could only imagine how many people were actually backing up from GP the night before.

Punched the whole way through one year, bad decision.

I was only just starting to come good again about 16:30 at the cup when our tent ran out of booze, i was devistated!

Markovina · January 3

What would be great - but youd never get the information- for 1 full month , non group racing month , just bread and butter , for every trotting meeting around Aust in that month in every state , you get the big Corporate Bookies , Tab Corp - Ladbrokes etc - their full turnover for each meeting , that would be sensational information

And seeing there is a bit of story telling re GP New Years Eve meetings , back in the late 70s early 80s when i was young and stupid about 4pm New Years Eve went to the Cottesloe Hotel with a few mates , we were playing pool , and i had about 5 schooners of beer , like i havent drank for years , but they were big schooners back then

Anyhow i then drove to GP in a very pleasant mood , didnt have anymore drinks on course , left at the 3rd last race - now this might have all changed , but i was driving home on Riverside Drive , and back then there were all these sets of traffic lights , no one actually about much - and you had the sports ovals to your right , and then the big buildings like Bond Corp in the background

Anyhow i was ap[proaching one of these sets of lights - about 30 metres away , it turned red and i thought stufff it and straight through i went , cop car put the siren on came out of the darkness , side street near the sports oval , i made up some bullshiit that i was having engine trouble and thus couldnt stop , he must have said to me 3-4 times , look it is New Years Eve but you did go through a Red Light and then hed look at me , i said to him with my car playing up , could you give me a lift home , he said - im not giving you a blooody lift home now beat it

How lucky can you be , blatantly through a Red Light with 5 Schooners under the belt and he let me off

freodockers · January 3

Going home from GP trots one night driving through Redcliffe Great Eastern Hwy full of pi55 as usual opposite the old pancake shop grizzle’s or something it was called. Left lane blocked, flashing lights, sirens the whole lot, so pulled up behind it thought I’m gone here RBT. Sat there for a minute waiting for my death sentence, saw a bloke run out from the truck with a hose in his hand into the house next to me. Yep id pulled up behind fire truck, house was on fire, couldn’t get out of there quick enough.

JayJay · January 3

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warrenrobinson · January 3

Morning, Small example on Tabtouch turnover Perth Cup v Pacing Cup win & place only Perth Cup 325K, Pacing Cup 29k. Fact

Rocket_Reign · January 3

warrenrobinson said:
Morning, Small example on Tabtouch turnover Perth Cup v Pacing Cup win & place only Perth Cup 325K, Pacing Cup 29k. Fact

Are you quoting tote figures? Coz that’s a laugh. Fact

warrenrobinson · January 3

Unfortunately a embarrassing fact

sonny · January 3

Hey Rocket, Check the betfair figures....How do you get corps figures??

JayJay · January 3

Tabtouch figures are indeed only a small slice of the overall turnover pie but the trend is ominous with harness at less than 10% by comparison.

Antony Green would probably call the seat very early in the count on such a trend.

The total turnover figures are never made public and are available to only a select few. If you have access to them, put them up here...as facts.

JayJay · January 3

Further to that, the Pacing Cup was shifted to November to put it into (and I am quoting here" a high turnover window".

So, as in any functional business, surely an analysis has been done.Did it work? Publish the figures to prove either success or failure or status quo.

What it has done is decimate Free For All Fields across the Summer Period to the point of cringeworthy embarrassment yet a $31,000 race is put on for 5 horses every week. "Dynamic Programming with flexibility for a changing horse population" .....the template of disaster producing a turnover blackhole.

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