Another Cracking Programme At GP Friday Night

Markovina · January 11

JayJay said:
Last meeting at Broken Hill had 18 local horses engaged from 6 different trainers across the 5 races.

It doesn't happen in Kalgoorlie any more because, off a much larger base than 18 horses, RWWA shut the show down.

Times change - Griffith and B/Hill use to have a dozen bookmakers fielding their - they lost their TAB Status - Sam Nati re NSW Country Cups programme gave them 2 TAB meetings a year each re their Country Cups

So they got shut down just like Kalgoorlie - but they didnt take their cut lunch school bag and go crying home to mummy -they did something about it - they run Non TAB meetings at 3k a race - they have got enthusiastic participants their - exactly what Kalgoorlie at present have not got

Honestly the excuses made for West Australians its laughable

Gilgamesh · January 11

Who do you think funded that prizemoney Marko?? Provided the starter, and the stewards?? Programmed the races?? Hot tip it wasn't joe public passing his hat around and running a raffle to stump up the prizemoney and it wasnt little Johny down the road welding some metal to his trusty old ute to create a starters arm.

It's two completely different strategic aims between HRNSW and RWWA.

Markovina · January 11

Gilgamesh said:
Who do you think funded that prizemoney Marko?? Provided the starter, and the stewards?? Programmed the races?? Hot tip it wasn't joe public passing his hat around and running a raffle to stump up the prizemoney and it wasnt little Johny down the road welding some metal to his trusty old ute to create a starters arm.

It's two completely different strategic aims between HRNSW and RWWA.

Good point - and NSW was stone broke - Neil Day ( trainer ) described it aptly as dying with a slow cancer

But then they sold HP - and they with that money made alot of improvements , funding long gone Country Cups and building new regional tracks

Maybe there is a message in that - as my Nanna use to say , you cant make a beautiful pavlova out of a Cow patch

savethegame · January 11

Marko you keep putting the slipper into Kalgoorlie. 1989 G.M.T C was paying the highest stakemoney of any CountryClub in Australia, and at the rate there prizemoney was increasing they were hard knocking on the back of Richmond Raceway prizemoney .It was on the back of format W.A.TA. (TAB) used called
Stakes to race. So in a financial year your club paid out 300000k in stakes you would receive 300000k to budget your stakes for following season in July .
Kalgoorlie was fortunate with money earned
from two up through boxers they put it straight into stakes So there stakes was increasing at Rapid rate. Which upset other country clubs East of Perth. Then low behold overnight Kalgoorlie was deemed B class track with the round still holding A grade status. President Noel Lee on the Regional news at the time this is the beginning of the end for Kalgoorlie as the Stewards would bring a cheque for 14k. For seven races. with top up money from twoup still being applied. the glory days had disappeared RWWA. was still 13 odd years away, Plus when Bennett was running the TAB. Prizemoney was stifled for all clubs for two years prior RWWA coming on board with Bennett as the head. Then money was thrown at infrastructure etc. . like he was the pied piper. I admire who's having a go in this game as trainer's, because what's left is alot good trainers.The rest have long gone.

freodockers · January 11

Markovina said:

Gilgamesh said:
Who do you think funded that prizemoney Marko?? Provided the starter, and the stewards?? Programmed the races?? Hot tip it wasn't joe public passing his hat around and running a raffle to stump up the prizemoney and it wasnt little Johny down the road welding some metal to his trusty old ute to create a starters arm.

It's two completely different strategic aims between HRNSW and RWWA.
Good point - and NSW was stone broke - Neil Day ( trainer ) described it aptly as dying with a slow cancer

But then they sold HP - and they with that money made alot of improvements , funding long gone Country Cups and building new regional tracks

Maybe there is a message in that - as my Nanna use to say , you cant make a beautiful pavlova out of a Cow patch

Pretty sure that’s what most WA posters have been harping on about here for past 12 months re sale/redevelopment of GP.
Re closing down of Eastern district clubs particularly Kalgoorlie sure there was some self destruction but I wouldn’t think it was the clubs or the participants decision to close them down.

Chopchop43 · January 11

Gilgamesh said:

Chopchop43 said:
Well what would kick start or revitalise the industry at the moment , I see the same comment re Gloucester Park every week but very little to the point of what the industry needs to do to turn the corner and grow as a product

Sort out the handicapping as a start point.

People want to go where they can win races. 82 starters on the tuesday card and it was actualy pretty entertaining, no stars, some pretty slow times but there were some moves, run on winners.

63 acceptors for friday. We were told at the start of all this the system was going to be dynamic, how about programming some lower class races on a friday, even for a tuesday night stake if you have to, get some different people there. The races they are putting on week after week and not getting nom's clearly arent working.

Friday nights were set up for the big dogs, this is what can happen when you have alienated such a large group. When the big stables have a dip, you now have nothing behind it.

100% agree I think lack of noms isn't just a gp issue at the moment, look at Monday and Tuesdays fields pinjarra have 1 full field for the whole day, Bunbury has 3 on a 7 race card noms across the board are pitiful reflecting the lack of horses we have in the pool at the moment which I think the handicapping system is to blame for

sonny · January 11

Hi JJ , He runs a show called racing rant. They interviewed Scott Embrey awhile ago.. Racing Rant is very informative with polite chuckles also leading to uproarious laughter ..

Ivorytrunkey86 · January 11

Marko you’ve been given the information twice of what the Kalgoorlie trainers and businesses put forward to RWWA,massive sponsorship money and more,the fact you continually say no one tried is offensive to those locals who worked their ass off to keep it afloat,you either are suffering from alzheimers or you ignore facts put on here and want to be a shit stirring knob. I know which one I’m selecting.

Markovina · January 11

Ivorytrunkey86 said:
Marko you’ve been given the information twice of what the Kalgoorlie trainers and businesses put forward to RWWA,massive sponsorship money and more,the fact you continually say no one tried is offensive to those locals who worked their ass off to keep it afloat,you either are suffering from alzheimers or you ignore facts put on here and want to be a **** stirring knob. I know which one I’m selecting.

Well run some non tab meetings like Broken Hill do !!!

Gilgamesh · January 11

Markovina said:

Ivorytrunkey86 said:
Marko you’ve been given the information twice of what the Kalgoorlie trainers and businesses put forward to RWWA,massive sponsorship money and more,the fact you continually say no one tried is offensive to those locals who worked their ass off to keep it afloat,you either are suffering from alzheimers or you ignore facts put on here and want to be a **** stirring knob. I know which one I’m selecting.
Well run some non tab meetings like Broken Hill do !!!

Just one more time.

Non tab does not mean non HRNSW sanctioned. It is still a HRNSW funded event with registered participants, stewarded, programmed and authorised by the governing body, that being HRNSW, so they weren't shut down like Kalgoorlie they are just non tab meetings. RWWA removed that option from the Kal race club.

Gilgamesh · January 11

Also looks like the people of broken hill weren't too interested last year, must have been too hard for them....

https://barriertruth.com.au/harness-racing-reined-in-for-first-time-in-70-years/

JayJay · January 11

Non Tabs still require Tote Machines, photo finish gear, video facilities, stewards, starters, vets, swab testing access, mobile barrier, race form guides etc .... and many more essentials...and most importantly for insurance purposes for all licensed personnel, industry sanctioned status. Without allocated race dates, nothing can happen, even gymkhanas and trials need official sanction.

It is worrying that someone simply says "run some non tab meetings" as if it is as simple as falling out of bed, never mind the misleading made up claims about the Broken Hill horse population. The situation at Kalgoorlie and the attempts made to keep racing there have been clearly enunciated on this forum numerous times, in detail, and yet more spurious nonsense and self grandiose suggestions of intellectual superiority, judgement, balance and knowledge continue to spew forth. Just garbage most of the time.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · January 11

savethegame said:
Marko you keep putting the slipper into Kalgoorlie.

Hey don't bring me into this debate [-X

savethegame · January 11

Jay Jay .Even few participants didn't realise who's needed for a meeting to commence Course Doctor,Clerk of course Electrician Ambulance Was a incident when a Vet was attending to a dog who had been run over vet rang the course saying he would be late for the first, but the Stewards wanted him to do pre-race swabs. As it turned out he just got there in time,
Horses went Straight out and raced, Pre race was changed to race three which resulted in two pre race positives. Another time the clerks horse was indisposed so a pacer,who never been ridden previously was used---- Lucky the Girl who was asked could ride being ex amateur jockey was taking the buck out of it throughout the night , Was a time when five figue amount was spent to get Clerk from perth for .meetings to go ahead. So Marko in rem
ote areas it ain't that simple.

G-Mac · January 11

Just run some non-tab meetings down Hannan Street. Start at the Exchange, around the roundabout at Lane Street and back again. That's about 1600m I reckon. That will bring the crowds back. Simple eh?

warrenrobinson · January 12

Let’s be honest here RWWA have failed the Harness Racing Industry, grow the industry by shrinking the footprint.

Markovina · January 12

JayJay said:
Non Tabs still require Tote Machines, photo finish gear, video facilities, stewards, starters, vets, swab testing access, mobile barrier, race form guides etc .... and many more essentials...and most importantly for insurance purposes for all licensed personnel, industry sanctioned status. Without allocated race dates, nothing can happen, even gymkhanas and trials need official sanction.

It is worrying that someone simply says "run some non tab meetings" as if it is as simple as falling out of bed, never mind the misleading made up claims about the Broken Hill horse population. The situation at Kalgoorlie and the attempts made to keep racing there have been clearly enunciated on this forum numerous times, in detail, and yet more spurious nonsense and self grandiose suggestions of intellectual superiority, judgement, balance and knowledge continue to spew forth. Just garbage most of the time.

" It is worrying that someone simply says run some Non Tab Meetings "

What an absolute load of nonsense - talk about a drama queen

This is simply a harness racing forum - im not the lead Engineer designing and building the new bridge up at Fitzroy crossing !!!!!! - for goodness sake

I was going to reply directly to Gilga - but i had to reply to your absolute over the top garbage

And what i was going to say to Gilgs was - i stand corrected , i didnt know re Broken Hill the non tabbers that their was a contract signed between their club and Harness Racing NSW - especially the 3k stakemoney per race - i just assumed it was local sponsorship from all the mining companies

Now knowing that fact , all i can say is , if RWWA didnt offer the Kal club a similiar offer to run non tab meetings at 3k a race , then they are lousy and pathetic given the rich history at the Kal club

And one final thing - seeming im replying to your post , earlier you put an article saying its one of the best articles ever - the fact is it was a load of wishy washy nonsense , there is absolutely nothing in it , it should be signed by Sir Humphrey at Yes Prime Minister

Contrast that to the brilliant article that Gilga put up , with some fantastic and important quotes from the president of BH ( who is a local trainer their ) - like horse numbers are just so crucial

" It is worrying " - what a load of absolute over the top utter Craap

AbbysAce · January 12

AbbysAce · January 12

AbbysAce said:
You cannot blame the changing of the season for 8 race programs at GP ( there isnt 1 race with a back line tonight, Fred Kersley would be happy), and you cannot blame Busselton and Albany, not many of those horses are city class. They blame that old chestnut every year. Alter the programming of races, they must have data on what horses are missing out on races and what races rarely hold up.

How about programming races for older horses. over 50 starts, and under 5 wins, over 100 starts under 10 wins, over 25 starts, under 2 wins. There would be alot of options there.

Put on a race for trainers who had less than 10 winners last season, put on a race at Ascot on one of the big days , ( they used to put a race on at Moonee Valley in the 90s on the grass) and give away free tickets to a decent night. Again probably need horses to back up from the night before .

I would also say bring back the double seater sulky for sponsors or lucky draw out of the racebook, I seen in victoria they were having 4 horse races with commentary, give the winner a DVD of race, with interview, proper photo of the finish to the winneroff Scott Hamilton, mile rate , returning to scale, i think alot would love a photo on the wall especially peolpe with no access to horses, the only problem if we need those horses to make up the fields.

Try something.

JayJay · January 12

On the radio last night, the owners association President (not quite sure which owners but at least some I presume) was trotting out the old "Gloucester Park is the highest turnover track" story. Well of course it is, it has a 100 meetings per year, prime time slot, best horses, highest profile trainers and drivers, biggest stake money....but he didn't (and never does) talk about the "cost" of that turnover, the lack of return on the plethora of $1.20 favourites, or the 11 million dollar loss for the Industry on a revenue generated/stakes paid basis. Or the return on investment being less than 40.5 cents in the dollar. Listening to that bilge was like listening to a paid party political on Sky News.

Furthermore, apparently the solution to 8 race cards and 5 horse FFA's is achieved by taking "country front" low stake races and tacking them on to fill up the stalls at GP. And the 5 horse FFA's are all due to a changing of the season date (that occurred several years ago) and shifting the Pacing Cup. Just need to "tweak" the programming and all will be well. Like listening to Berlin Betty talking up the Reich's glorious victory in world War II.

Seemed to have some "inside running" on what the review of Harness Racing would produce, stating that January is the date that the reports would be released with the HRCG meeting in February making crucial decisions on harness's future.

Whats the betting that although no clubs will be "closed" as such, their racing dates will be reduced to, in some instances, just 1 boutique meeting per year, or their meetings will shift to "high profile high turnover??? tracks". Those clubs will fold, the training centres associated with each of those clubs will fold, the volunteers will go, the trainers and breeders will go, the number of licensees and owners will shrink dramatically yet again, and the base of the industry will be decimated.. "Growing the Industry (for a select few) by shrinking the footprint" indeed. A repeat of history ....the cheapest clubs and meetings to run, being sacrificed to prop up a failing loss making behemoth down by the palms. Plus that same loss making enterprise will swallow up 24.7 million of Industry funds. Exactly what the big end of town wants.

The Busselton season, yet again a huge success so far this season, exposing 1000's of people to the Industry, cost the Industry about $80,000 in 2023. A tiny slither compared to the 11 million poured down the toilet at HQ. Still, they know best. The reduced the season from 6 meetings to 5 a few years back.....a terribly progressive decision!!!

Country Club committees and administrators should be feeling very twitchy, as should the local members of parliament who, if the local club gets sacrificed, will be reminded of their lack of action every day until the next election when the removal van roll up at their electoral offices.

Gilgamesh · January 12

This is what seems to be lost to me, the exposure that running some of these smaller meetings creates.

I for one who regularly loses interest throughout the year due to the same same racing at GP. I've really enjoyed the racing from Collie/Albany and Busso which in turn returns me to betting on GP.

It's like selling a frozen come at maccas for $1 to get you to buy the $7 big mac while you are there, costs you a little to get you in but they are going to get it back.

warrenrobinson · January 12

Morning JayJay, Are you talking about the Propaganda Central Show orchestrated by GP and the GP owners association. Surely history tells us that reducing the footprint doesn't grow the industry.

Markovina · January 12

Yes you have to try things ( and this has already been tried and failed ) but i think some Trotting Administrators havent got a clue

Love Fridays who doesnt , but for me it is to go through every meeting Aust wide - look at the form , do your homework - watch plenty of replays and put stacks of bets on and hopefully plenty of winners , attractively priced . Name dropping here again Rocket , but Sir Henry Bolte , former Victorian Premier in the 60s ( last Premier to hang a bloke Ronald Ryan ) in Barts Auto biography , Sir Henry had some gallopers with Bart - it was nice and relaxed back then you were allowed to that . Bart had 1 sentence on Sir Henry - he said Sir Henry loved to back double figure priced winners - and so do i - hah -hah -hah

But Melton Race 1 - 1200 metres - no interest at all - race 2 proper distance ive had a bet - Race 3 -1200 metres - no interest , Race 4 - proper distance - had a bet thats where im up to

These stupid 1200 metre races - they destroy the product - and any proper form student has no interest in them whatsoever

AbbysAce · January 12

If you get on you tube there is alot of old meetings of harness racing.

There is alot of Moonee Valley from the mid 80s, it reminds you of what made harness racing exciting.

Go to any meeting, it is 2.3.4 drivers all having a crack for the front. This link below looks to be when there was only a front line of 10.

Race 1, 1/5 on fav drawn one, gets crossed , then they post it , gets shuffled back and runs 2nd. leader wins

Race 2 and 3 , leaders win , but excting races, they cross from wide barriers, get taken on abit and fall in. race 3 actually a deadheat.

There is long odds on shots, leaders win, mid race hand up, but a total different kettle of fish then what is presented week in week out now.

JayJay · January 12

Was the best and most competitive racing I ever witnessed, to be fair so to was GP when we had proper handicapping ......it puts the bilge that gets served up today well in the shade.

warrenrobinson · January 12

Interesting race 3 GP Sugar Apple should be disqualified

warrenrobinson · January 13

Harness Racing Review. Due Diligence Let's just hope the review into Harness Racing in WA has followed Due Diligence and all facts have been included to make sure the correct decision is ensured.

savethegame · January 14

What was Ron Davis Q.C. primary objective when he went around to all the clubs for a in-depth look his knowledge on all fronts,breeder, trainer, driver etc should have been beneficial----..I remember was at meeting at Merredin trots he drove a winner so anyone remember what his recommendations going forward ?

Moonraker · January 15

Markovina said:

JayJay said:
Non Tabs still require Tote Machines, photo finish gear, video facilities, stewards, starters, vets, swab testing access, mobile barrier, race form guides etc .... and many more essentials...and most importantly for insurance purposes for all licensed personnel, industry sanctioned status. Without allocated race dates, nothing can happen, even gymkhanas and trials need official sanction.

It is worrying that someone simply says "run some non tab meetings" as if it is as simple as falling out of bed, never mind the misleading made up claims about the Broken Hill horse population. The situation at Kalgoorlie and the attempts made to keep racing there have been clearly enunciated on this forum numerous times, in detail, and yet more spurious nonsense and self grandiose suggestions of intellectual superiority, judgement, balance and knowledge continue to spew forth. Just garbage most of the time.
" It is worrying that someone simply says run some Non Tab Meetings "

What an absolute load of nonsense - talk about a drama queen

This is simply a harness racing forum - im not the lead Engineer designing and building the new bridge up at Fitzroy crossing !!!!!! - for goodness sake

I was going to reply directly to Gilga - but i had to reply to your absolute over the top garbage

And what i was going to say to Gilgs was - i stand corrected , i didnt know re Broken Hill the non tabbers that their was a contract signed between their club and Harness Racing NSW - especially the 3k stakemoney per race - i just assumed it was local sponsorship from all the mining companies

Now knowing that fact , all i can say is , if RWWA didnt offer the Kal club a similiar offer to run non tab meetings at 3k a race , then they are lousy and pathetic given the rich history at the Kal club

And one final thing - seeming im replying to your post , earlier you put an article saying its one of the best articles ever - the fact is it was a load of wishy washy nonsense , there is absolutely nothing in it , it should be signed by Sir Humphrey at Yes Prime Minister

Contrast that to the brilliant article that Gilga put up , with some fantastic and important quotes from the president of BH ( who is a local trainer their ) - like horse numbers are just so crucial

" It is worrying " - what a load of absolute over the top utter Craap

Its laughable that someone with such persistent grandiose statements on what is wrong with the industry and how to fix lacks this basic understanding

G'day Punter!

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