GP- 3yo Pearl Classic (Gp3), 2yo Champagne Classic (Gp3)

VillageKid · May 23

GP

Race 1- Captain Bligh, Maungatahi, Lucapelo, Sound Wave

Race 2- Jett Star, Brickies Dream, Lil Happy Fella, Rocknroll Elliot

Race 3- Rolling Fire, Arma Xfactor, Lusaka, Rockmyster

Race 4- Jumpingjackmac, Finvarra, Diego, To Fast To Serious

Race 5- Waverider, Ideal Muscle, Franco Encore, Prince Of Pain

Race 6- Nullarbor Navajo, Three Rumours, Queeninthecorner, Stormyskyes

Race 7- Captain Stirling, Noble Thorondor, Reinette, American Major

Race 8- Rockandrollartist, The Code Breaker, Loucid Dreams, Navy Street

Race 9- Velocipede, Chambray, Gee Smith, Rock Me Over

Race 10- Star Of Willoughby, Name In Lights, Johnny Lombo, The Righteous

Wagin

R1- Princess Katie

R2- Absolute Delight

R3- Pacific Eagle

R4- Always Be Teddy

R5- Lord Titanium

R6- Rose To Fame

R7- Shes A Dactyl

sonny · May 24

r2 something on n1...

Markovina · May 24

Had a decent look at both meeting re form wise but only got moderate confidence , nothing jumps out off the page

Wagin race 7- horse number 2 Things Change e/w @ $8.50 - in the right race nicely drawn and dropping in grade - the unrace 2nd fave of Travis Bull is definitely the horse to beat - well bred and a slick trial

GP race 9 horse number 9 Rock Me Over @ $23- its best runs have allways been over the 2500 , tonights distance , if it is ever going to win another race at GP tonight is the night

sonny · May 24

R6n2.. Struck a lot of trouble last start at big odds ..

Markovina · May 25

Iwas listening to that ABC Sportstalk Radio show Sat morning on the way home in the car

And a caller rang in , he was very polite you know he said its all footy talk and thats great , but he wanted to talk about Trotting - said hes been in the game about 20 years , Mal was his name - spoke very nicely

Tipped an allmighty bucket on RWWA re closing country tracks and also the GP redevelopment . They gave him a real good go , but the 11 oclock news came so they cut him off then - so its about 50 minutes into the show when its on - you can normally listen to these shows for about a week after so its worth a listen to

Then straight after 11 oclock news the host Clint said we have got another text from a Trottting fan - Brad - very sad whats happened to the Trots , read out all the great horses , could remember when they got 10000 every Sat night at Richmond Raceway in the 60s , Said the Trots are going no where but the gallops are booming

Vincent_vega · May 25

Trotts are on life support. Cant see how money can be made and how owners can pay up for horses racing outside of GP friday night.

Chopchop43 · May 25

Markovina said:
Iwas listening to that ABC Sportstalk Radio show Sat morning on the way home in the car

And a caller rang in , he was very polite you know he said its all footy talk and thats great , but he wanted to talk about Trotting - said hes been in the game about 20 years , Mal was his name - spoke very nicely

Tipped an allmighty bucket on RWWA re closing country tracks and also the GP redevelopment . They gave him a real good go , but the 11 oclock news came so they cut him off then - so its about 50 minutes into the show when its on - you can normally listen to these shows for about a week after so its worth a listen to

Then straight after 11 oclock news the host Clint said we have got another text from a Trottting fan - Brad - very sad whats happened to the Trots , read out all the great horses , could remember when they got 10000 every Sat night at Richmond Raceway in the 60s , Said the Trots are going no where but the gallops are booming

can openly say that the gallops aren't drawing in half the crowd they used to either unless its a big race meeting, I think the accessibility of sky racing and the ability to stream every single race on your betting apps has killed crowds full stop

Gilgamesh · May 26

Chopchop43 said:

Markovina said:
Iwas listening to that ABC Sportstalk Radio show Sat morning on the way home in the car

And a caller rang in , he was very polite you know he said its all footy talk and thats great , but he wanted to talk about Trotting - said hes been in the game about 20 years , Mal was his name - spoke very nicely

Tipped an allmighty bucket on RWWA re closing country tracks and also the GP redevelopment . They gave him a real good go , but the 11 oclock news came so they cut him off then - so its about 50 minutes into the show when its on - you can normally listen to these shows for about a week after so its worth a listen to

Then straight after 11 oclock news the host Clint said we have got another text from a Trottting fan - Brad - very sad whats happened to the Trots , read out all the great horses , could remember when they got 10000 every Sat night at Richmond Raceway in the 60s , Said the Trots are going no where but the gallops are booming

can openly say that the gallops aren't drawing in half the crowd they used to either unless its a big race meeting, I think the accessibility of sky racing and the ability to stream every single race on your betting apps has killed crowds full stop

That is part of it no doubt but also needs to be realised thst both racing codes just do not have the following they once did outside the rusted ons.

I work in a construction type environment, about 100 people with regular interactions. I would say come monday i could have a conversation with zero of them about the Friday night trots and 1 or 2 about the gallop results at Belmont/Ascot, they didnt consume it from the comfort of the couch on TV they just didnt consumed it at all.

Wind it back 20yrs and it would have been 10 I could have talked about the trots and 20 plus that knew the sat race results.

Sometimes i feel like those closely involved don't realise how far the reach has diminished with general sports fans,again they aren't just consuming it away from the track they arent consuming it at all.

For me the main cause of this is the fact you can bet on literally anything nowadays, you don't need to be following a racing code to have a punt.

Of the 100 odd I cross paths with 20 plus would still be punting but now its same game multi's on every AFL game, international sports are so accessible- one crew will be having multi's on the EPL results, the NBA has a massive following and they are all betting on that.

Personally i have no answers but to just say oh they just watch at home now I think is folly, if that was the case then turnover wouldnt be falling off a cliff.

savethegame · May 26

Markovina said:
Iwas listening to that ABC Sportstalk Radio show Sat morning on the way home in the car

And a caller rang in , he was very polite you know he said its all footy talk and thats great , but he wanted to talk about Trotting - said hes been in the game about 20 years , Mal was his name - spoke very nicely

Tipped an allmighty bucket on RWWA re closing country tracks and also the GP redevelopment . They gave him a real good go , but the 11 oclock news came so they cut him off then - so its about 50 minutes into the show when its on - you can normally listen to these shows for about a week after so its worth a listen to

Then straight after 11 oclock news the host Clint said we have got another text from a Trottting fan - Brad - very sad whats happened to the Trots , read out all the great horses , could remember when they got 10000 every Sat night at Richmond Raceway in the 60s , Said the Trots are going no where but the gallops are booming

Saying that Gloucester park worth 300 million find that hard to fathom, maybe 80 million, but his right i can see where the inner circle trying to sell a manageable chunk, if they were genuine they would sell the lot if it's in the industry best interests The only thing that saving galloping code is the syndicates hoodwinking the general public. With trainers & syndicate managers waxing.

Markovina · May 26

savethegame said:

Markovina said:
Iwas listening to that ABC Sportstalk Radio show Sat morning on the way home in the car

And a caller rang in , he was very polite you know he said its all footy talk and thats great , but he wanted to talk about Trotting - said hes been in the game about 20 years , Mal was his name - spoke very nicely

Tipped an allmighty bucket on RWWA re closing country tracks and also the GP redevelopment . They gave him a real good go , but the 11 oclock news came so they cut him off then - so its about 50 minutes into the show when its on - you can normally listen to these shows for about a week after so its worth a listen to

Then straight after 11 oclock news the host Clint said we have got another text from a Trottting fan - Brad - very sad whats happened to the Trots , read out all the great horses , could remember when they got 10000 every Sat night at Richmond Raceway in the 60s , Said the Trots are going no where but the gallops are booming
Saying that Gloucester park worth 300 million find that hard to fathom, maybe 80 million, but his right i can see where the inner circle trying to sell a manageable chunk, if they were genuine they would sell the lot if it's in the industry best interests The only thing that saving galloping code is the syndicates hoodwinking the general public. With trainers & syndicate managers waxing.

I read with interest about 1 week or so back what the Moonee Valley race club ( allways been very progressive) were going to with the land inside the race track

Companies have been invited to tender - submit their bids - all options will be considered , the AFL want it for football oval - a centre of excellance , the interstate clubs can train their , Or the AFL umpires have got no where to train , so a facility so they are based their , They have had a stack of submissions , everything is being considered , even a company wants to put in a practise golf range- and that is being seriously considered

Then you come to tired old GP - what have they done with the area inside the Trotting Track - and the vast parcel of land they have got , you can bet they havent done anything like MV Race club - inviting companies to tender submissions for the use of that land

sonny · May 26

Hi Gilga, I never missed a meeting trots/ gallops . I now go only when my trot/ gallops friends come over to visit..There is no need to go for me now, but I punt from home ,drink and eat what I want in the comfort of home..I am not a big punter probably turn over 5000.00 a month..betting with betfair,corps and a lesser extent Tabs..

Vincent_vega · May 26

So whats the deal with gp and the land? Has it been sold or is it just an option to buy the land? Also, Anyone know whats happening with the property company?

Frog · May 26

Has gone back to re: planning and pricing.

As we all know costs have gone up lots.

Interest rates and cost of materials and

Labour have increased ? I think a plan

B and C needed. A short sighted plan A

was a great wish list { plan A only}

Dream time a the MCG.

JayJay · May 26

The harness product is not considered "saleable" by the betting public. That is why they are not betting on it and market share has plummeted from over 40% of overall turnover in the halcyon days to just 10% today, and falling......and that is at all tracks. That is why the Industry is only generating less than 40 cents for every dollar paid out in stakes. It is not a sustainable business.

The preponderance of extremely short priced, gate speed, leads and wins at between $1.30 to $1.04 might be very attractive to rusted on trotting gambler junkies or professional gamblers to anchor their multi's of first fours but it has zero appeal to the younger punter who can line bet on who hits the first 6 in the IPL, or the 10 dollar punter who has deserted the trots.

GP has 5 or 6 (or sometimes more) of those each Friday night and as the major metro track with the highest stakes, best horses, best time slot, iconic history etc etc, whatever turnover it is generating is not enough. I get fed up hearing how the Eastern States is responsible for most of our turnover. Have they completely given up on ever getting Western Australians to bet on and patronise the local product? The Industry needs it's prime Metro Track to lift beyond it's weight, and the facts are clear, it doesn't. And no amount of window dressing can hid the reality that in FY 22/23, it lost over 11 million of the Industry's 15 million dollar loss.

Harsh but true is the fact that the mobile barrier was the beginning of the end for harness racing. The decline started long before RWWA became a reality. In 20 years of operation, it has failed to arrest the decline. Standing start handicaps provided far better face value for punters and while we will never go back to that aside from 1 or 2 races per night, there needs to be handicapping done using the mobile. Pref barrier draws are an absolute must for the general product, at all tracks. The handicapping system has been a disaster, the shift to NR at least allows for a fresh look at things. It might not be the perfect system, probably won't be....but along with a fresh set of eyes on programming, race fixturing and dates, it seems to be at least a forward step. It can be modified to suit local needs as has happened in other states. It will be interesting to see where we end up but 5 and 6 horse $31k Free For All's each week, whilst welcome by the owners of these already very high stake earning horses, are simply unsustainable.

The GP sale and redevelopment, and the funding of it to the tune of $24.7 million of RWWA industry funds, dependent on a partial land sale, planning approvals, a new "theater" and probable cost blow outs for the retention of an 800m track based on a set of artists impressions continues to mystify many, including some who claim the land is worth far more than what Hesperia are paying for it as per unreleased commercial valuations.

Vincent_vega · May 26

Frog said:
Has gone back to re: planning and pricing.
As we all know costs have gone up lots.
Interest rates and cost of materials and
Labour have increased ? I think a plan
B and C needed. A short sighted plan A
was a great wish list { plan A only}
Dream time a the MCG.

Thanks for the info. So i will say the land sale isnt going ahead unless GP want to take half of what was proposed previous. Also, it seems Hesperia has a few changes afoot in the backroom which could change things also.

warrenrobinson · May 27

Fact. No Handicap No Turnover No Future.

Betonme · May 27

Vincent_vega said:

Frog said:
Has gone back to re: planning and pricing.
As we all know costs have gone up lots.
Interest rates and cost of materials and
Labour have increased ? I think a plan
B and C needed. A short sighted plan A
was a great wish list { plan A only}
Dream time a the MCG.

Thanks for the info. So i will say the land sale isnt going ahead unless GP want to take half of what was proposed previous. Also, it seems Hesperia has a few changes afoot in the backroom which could change things also.

Hard to gauge that, as land values would be much higher than a year and half ago.

Markovina · May 27

Pinjarra today - just the 1 E/W bet

The last race - race 9 - the $1.06 fave , i watched its Byford trial , ive never seen a worse winning trial by a $1.06 fave in my life . You can only go on face value , what a rough action , looked like it was going to break a couple of times - real pluggy type , horrible pacing action . Yes its NZ form there are some slick mile rates , but that trial was horrendous viewing

Thus who can beat it , horse no 10 Spiritofanangel ( no luck last 2 starts ) i think it can and will beat the fave and $19 is great E/W value

Vincent_vega · May 27

Betonme said:

Vincent_vega said:

Frog said:
Has gone back to re: planning and pricing.
As we all know costs have gone up lots.
Interest rates and cost of materials and
Labour have increased ? I think a plan
B and C needed. A short sighted plan A
was a great wish list { plan A only}
Dream time a the MCG.

Thanks for the info. So i will say the land sale isnt going ahead unless GP want to take half of what was proposed previous. Also, it seems Hesperia has a few changes afoot in the backroom which could change things also.
Hard to gauge that, as land values would be much higher than a year and half ago.

This is very true. But nobody game enough to build anything with construction costs as they are so land like this that needs improvements built on it to make money isnt that attractive? People dont land bank anymore. The ATO made that impossible a few years back when legislation changed.

Ivorytrunkey86 · May 27

Not a bad throw at the stumps marko……. Only 14 metres off.

JayJay · May 27

Old mate Curmudgeon's horse Roll Your Own continues it's good form for Helen with another 2nd to today behind Penny Black. Took short cuts but picking up a cheque each week.

Rocket_Reign · May 27

Ivorytrunkey86 said:
Not a bad throw at the stumps marko……. Only 14 metres off.

What’s that old saying? You can talk shit about my wife but don’t ever talk shit about a horse I own haha

AbbysAce · May 28

If thats the 1 they paid $100,000 for i wish them all the best for the future

Rocket_Reign said:

Ivorytrunkey86 said:
Not a bad throw at the stumps marko……. Only 14 metres off.

What’s that old saying? You can talk **** about my wife but don’t ever talk **** about a horse I own haha

If thats the 1 they paid $100,000 for i wish them all the best for the future,

jum · May 28

Ivorytrunkey86 said:
Not a bad throw at the stumps marko……. Only 14 metres off.

At least he has a throw at the stumps.

Not many on here do.

Gilgamesh · May 29

jum said:

Ivorytrunkey86 said:
Not a bad throw at the stumps marko……. Only 14 metres off.
At least he has a throw at the stumps.
Not many on here do.

Yes Marko gives plenty of reasons to fire back at his views but not sure why you would have a go at him for mossing one at odds, his tipping of late has been in fine form.

PictureSon1973 · May 29

If you were a Developer
Of course you would Low Ball the Sale of Gloucester Park.
Look at all the Negativity about Harness just on this Forum!
Ever heard of Divide & Conquer No need with The Trots.
We are our own worst Enemy .
Change is always hard but we need to think outside the normal
parameters if Harness is to Prosper .
Find the most successful/prosperous Harness Juristiction in the world
See what they’re doing and implement relevant factors to our own .
Horse Longevity in racing is critical path going forward .
Owners need at a minimum even Return on there investment.
Otherwise why would you even bother.

Vincent_vega · May 29

Vincent_vega said:

Frog said:
Has gone back to re: planning and pricing.
As we all know costs have gone up lots.
Interest rates and cost of materials and
Labour have increased ? I think a plan
B and C needed. A short sighted plan A
was a great wish list { plan A only}
Dream time a the MCG.

Thanks for the info. So i will say the land sale isnt going ahead unless GP want to take half of what was proposed previous. Also, it seems Hesperia has a few changes afoot in the backroom which could change things also.

Will be confirmed in 2moros west, Hesperia, the company with the option over GP is demerging. Be interesting to see where this leaves the gp project.

Gilgamesh · May 29

PictureSon1973 said:
If you were a Developer
Of course you would Low Ball the Sale of Gloucester Park.
Look at all the Negativity about Harness just on this Forum!
Ever heard of Divide & Conquer No need with The Trots.
We are our own worst Enemy .
Change is always hard but we need to think outside the normal
parameters if Harness is to Prosper .
Find the most successful/prosperous Harness Juristiction in the world
See what they’re doing and implement relevant factors to our own .
Horse Longevity in racing is critical path going forward .
Owners need at a minimum even Return on there investment.
Otherwise why would you even bother.

From some travels i would say somewhere like Sweden is the strongest/most successful region of trotting/harness racing in the world.

Unfortunately the big difference is the Countries betting structure with effectively what is that countries lotto being run on trotting and their being very little betting competition to the sport. We will never have that here.

Some in charge in our country seem infatuated with the American model but from what i could see from time spent in the states the majority of tracks were only racing in order to keep the track associated with the Casino open.

JayJay · May 30

In Sweden, at Solvalla for the Elitloppet, the horses and the drivers are like rock stars. Same in Italy with Varenne like God to the Italian Community and at 27, he still is.

They are feverishly promoted, the crowd numbers are well in excess of 30,000 and why wouldn't they rock up to see Horsey Dream trot faultlessly in 1.49.2, commentary not in English but still well worth watching.

Gilgamesh · May 30

JayJay said:
In Sweden, at Solvalla for the Elitloppet, the horses and the drivers are like rock stars. Same in Italy with Varenne like God to the Italian Community and at 27, he still is.

They are feverishly promoted, the crowd numbers are well in excess of 30,000 and why wouldn't they rock up to see Horsey Dream trot faultlessly in 1.49.2, commentary not in English but still well worth watching.

Had a great couple of weeks going to Solvalla in 2013.

Disappointingly can't recall the person i contacted prior to attending but i'm going to say would be like an Ernie Manning equivalent, took me in, gave my partner and I full access to media room and facilities (something I just a joe blow punter did not deserve!) Was so interesting watching the different way they go about things on the other side of the world.

Because of the V75 attachment the racing was on screens littersly everywhere, ramdom shops would just have a TV on with the trots playing, different world.

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