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Inconsistencies With Ratings Again!
West Australian RacingWe purchased a horse in August that had had 5 starts and was rated a 60. He hadn't raced for 10 months, took 3 months to get ready and the day I nominated him to race he had been dropped 2 ratings to a 58. I called the handicapper to query why he had dropped when nominated after 13 months and was told "a horse can be dropped any time". His last race before a spell he was unplaced at Collie after winning previously at Moora. Apparently horses are not dropped in rating the start after a win but this horse was. The day he won at Moora two other winners from that day were unplaced at their next starts and their ratings stayed the same, yet our newly purchased horse dropped 2 ratings, 13 months later. That's consistent! At the time I was talking to the handicapper about Collie track I was amazed when he said "to tell you the truth I didn't know that Collie was a dirt track". Are you kidding me? That's his job!! The horse has finished within 5 lengths of the winner at Bunbury in two of the five starts he has had for us, one of those after sitting 3 deep for 1700m and has dropped 8 ratings since I brought him. We have a first time owner in this horse who is totally confused about how he can drop 2 rating points before we raced and is now struggling to get a start. Now that he is a 52 rated horse he has been balloted at Geraldton, Pinjarra and Mt Barker the last three times he has been nominated. Those 2 points would come in handy in gaining a start. I called DH and asked the reasoning for dropping this horse 2 ratings each time he had started for me only to be told that he "didn't think the horse was much good and wouldn't win a race, and if it were up to him he would be rated lower". (Nice!) I asked about the other horses that had raced in the same races as this horse and finished behind him and never dropped any ratings (but mine did) and he said "I don't know those horses". I then asked about my other horse who dropped a rating when he started first up over 1000m midweek in town which apparently doesn't happen and was told "why would you complain about going from a 59 to a 58". I only asked why as that 1 point could be the difference in getting a start or not. He then said "I'm too busy for this" to which I replied "Yeh, your too busy to do the job that you are very well paid for. Goodbye" and hung up the phone. Lovely bloke (Not)!!
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TheFunkster likes this post.
there is nobody, so he will continue to ruin your races for as long as he desires i guess.
rightly or wrongly i have long held the opinion that rwwa is more interested in self serving, than serving the industry, and is a boy's club that once you are in, you are there forever.
just my opinion mind you, but if i were a betting man then......
the templates are worse than they have ever been.
they are harder to understand than before, when there was not even a template for public perusal, because his template does not provide for the openness that it was supposed to.
for instance where is the rationalising of the metro country centric nonsense?
there is none that i can find and i have looked and looked and looked.
TheFunkster likes this post.
the horse is racing in stronger provincial "a" class, and yet its country rating is dropping the same as the metro one is.
metro and country are completely different as far as class go.
so having the same rating is not the problem, over classing country racing is the problem.
the race it won at collie was probably 5 lengths or more weaker than the ratings say it was.
absolute nonsense, is what it is, and it's completely unjustifiable.
it's a perfect example of why handicapping in wa is a shambles.
TheFunkster likes this post.
The handicapper has told me that horses do NOT drop ratings at their next start after winning. This happened 13 months after the horse had last raced and spelled and was purchased by me. We purchased him as a 60 rated horse 10 months after his Collie start. Why did it take so long to drop this horses rating when they are normally done within a couple of days of racing and not 13 months later. It's not right when you purchase a horse with a certain rating and it's dropped 2 ratings the day you nominate 13 months later. Those 2 points would help in gaining a start at the moment.
you are only right if the rating was 58 AFTER the moora race, and BEFORE it is entered again.
if that was the case and i don't know if it was or not, then it's right but only right in the way they now operate, which is wrong.
hope you understood that trojan! :))
but if it was 60 and then when entered for the prov "a" race its rating was dropped, then it's wrong.
but the main thing wrong is that a 52-64(for example) at prov "a" venues is stronger than those at prov "b" venues, so that ratings earned at those place and weaker are nonsensical in the main, and those races should be run at a lower base than those at prov "a" venues.
in other words the moora rating should never have been 60 to begin with..